What we can expect in the third millennium

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Sparki55 wrote:The gap between the ultra-rich and the poorest has grown.

The middle class is stuck paying for the social programs.
Ka-El wrote: Aug 24th, 2021, 1:23 pm That's right :smt045
Sparki55 wrote:
So then back to your previous comment, yes there is fear that people below the ultra-rich, who work very hard for what they have, will have their potential cut back by supporting the ever-increasing social programs including housing.
On the one hand you acknowledge the gap between the ultra-rich and the poorest has grown, and that it is the middle class who is stuck paying for the social programs. What do the ultra rich fear? Paying taxes like everyone else? Is your assumption that the ultra-rich all work very hard an indirect assumption that those who do not succeed haven't tried hard enough? What some are talking about is getting those who have been marginalized the education and opportunity so that they can participate in the economy just as well as those who grew up under more favourable conditions. And yes, we've all heard the rags to riches stories of people coming from nowhere and beating all the odds. Sadly, that is the exception to the rule.
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On the one hand you acknowledge the gap between the ultra-rich and the poorest has grown, and that it is the middle class who is stuck paying for the social programs. What do the ultra rich fear? Paying taxes like everyone else?
Nope ....

Not being able to earn a reward for the risk they take using their own money to make more ... Meantime providing people an opportunity to better themselves by having a decent paying job , that make the employer money ..

I know it sounds "weird" to you Ka el , but that's how it works ..

The rich DO pay taxes . Every dollar I make has a deduction for "social" programs ( CPP . OAS , EI ) and the "ultra rich" employer matches those deduction.. If THAT isn't a tax , that the "ultra poor" DON'T pay but get to collect for doing nothing , I'll eat your hat.
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This accelerated rate of change is going to present humankind with significant economic and social challenges, ...



Now, ... tell us, how could political system not be a part of the "economic and social challenges"? That's totally on topic. If you don't want to discuss some things, that's fine with me, ... other people will. But once you posted something on this forum, it's not yours any longer, nor have you the right to judge what other people have to comment about it.
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Ka-El wrote: Aug 24th, 2021, 8:42 am
oldtrucker wrote: Chaos and pain from the direct and indirect effects of humans mating too much.
There are going to be challenges, but a paradigm shift is already underway. Out of this chaos and pain will emerge a new social and political system necessarily based more on globally cooperative rather than competitive models. We know we already have the capacity to feed, house and educate the entire world population but for our failing "free market" system. Our continued survival as a civilized species will depend on our ability to adapt and I am optimistic that we will.
I believe the world is more doomed as kids growing up today have no clue about anything and are easily manipulated as social platforms have proved.
Less and less people have the ability to critically think and distinguish between fact and biased in a news source.. and as long as politicians are as corrupt as they have ever been and are realizing more and more they can get away with more and more ,they will.
Coupled with the fact that our society has become nothing more than consumers of products and continue to live in a want and not need life, all signs point to continued government over reach, continued taxation on every aspect of life and limiting freedoms as the latest pandemic has proven.
It is not going to get better, it's only going to get worse.
The vast majority of kids of today are for the most part a bunch of entitled, spoiled, and selfish human beings which have no concept of sacrifice or commitment. And you're counting on those kids to turn it all around? I personally don't see it happening
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common_sense_guy wrote: I believe the world is more doomed as kids growing up today have no clue about anything and are easily manipulated as social platforms have proved.
Less and less people have the ability to critically think and distinguish between fact and biased in a news source.. and as long as politicians are as corrupt as they have ever been and are realizing more and more they can get away with more and more ,they will.
Coupled with the fact that our society has become nothing more than consumers of products and continue to live in a want and not need life, all signs point to continued government over reach, continued taxation on every aspect of life and limiting freedoms as the latest pandemic has proven.
It is not going to get better, it's only going to get worse.
The vast majority of kids of today are for the most part a bunch of entitled, spoiled, and selfish human beings which have no concept of sacrifice or commitment. And you're counting on those kids to turn it all around? I personally don't see it happening
Great points, and as you’ve also established our current socioeconomic system (based on infinite growth and consumption) is not sustainable. I don’t know where this is going to lead but I do think it is a topic worthy of discussion as simply continuing to perpetuate the status quo will be disastrous. I don’t know if “the vast majority of kids of today are for the most part a bunch of entitled, spoiled, and selfish human beings which have no concept of sacrifice or commitment”, and even if it were true, these characteristics don’t exclusively describe the kids. Still, I do think (and hope) that awareness of some of the challenges facing us is growing, and the movement to “turn things around” is mounting. It’s not just the kids I am counting on. Radical change will not happen overnight, but I am encouraged by the rising recognition our current socioeconomic system is failing.
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BC Landlord wrote:
This accelerated rate of change is going to present humankind with significant economic and social challenges, ...

Now, ... tell us, how could political system not be a part of the "economic and social challenges"?
Why would I tell you that? It should be obvious that our political systems are directly tied to our economic and social systems. Thus, ‘socioeconomic” (you’re welcome). What we can expect (and hope for) is that our political system will firmly establish itself within the centre range of the ideological continuum. This would include the ideology of liberalism (just right of centre) and social democracy (just left of centre) and exclude much from the more extreme presuppositions of conservatism and libertarianism on the right, and/or socialism and communism on the left. When you accuse posters coming from liberal or social democratic leanings of wanting us to adopt socialism or communism you only reveal your lack of understanding of these ideologies. What we want to avoid is moving too far from the centre in either direction. Extremism is dividing us.
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hard to predict, even Mad Max was set in 1984.
Probably much of the same - wars, starvation, mass migration, shrinking oceans
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Ka-El wrote: Aug 25th, 2021, 7:52 am
BC Landlord wrote:
Now, ... tell us, how could political system not be a part of the "economic and social challenges"?
Why would I tell you that? It should be obvious that our political systems are directly tied to our economic and social systems. Thus, ‘socioeconomic” (you’re welcome). What we can expect (and hope for) is that our political system will firmly establish itself within the centre range of the ideological continuum. This would include the ideology of liberalism (just right of centre) and social democracy (just left of centre) and exclude much from the more extreme presuppositions of conservatism and libertarianism on the right, and/or socialism and communism on the left. When you accuse posters coming from liberal or social democratic leanings of wanting us to adopt socialism or communism you only reveal your lack of understanding of these ideologies. What we want to avoid is moving too far from the centre in either direction. Extremism is dividing us.
Our status quo as a collective of humans - that of continuing to strive for a better future - is a part of human nature, as are the impediments.

I would agree division is one of the problems we need to overcome for our best future in the third millennium, and IMO those perpetuating the divisions among us are choosing to exacerbate some of the most significant problems we continue to grapple with today. So I wonder how the haughty antagonism of "(you're welcome)" - and the schadenfreude of a goading sigline "conservatives are going to hate the future" - would contribute to an environment in which we are able to set aside differences and focus not on what divides us, but on how we can work together.

I would suggest that it's not only people we consider extremist in their stance, but also people who consider themselves centrists, who would have some work to do if we are all to come together for a better future.

IMO we were headed for better times as the extremists of the religious right were set aside, until people started re-establishing the pernicious use of prejudices, stereotypes and intolerance to suit various victim/ oppressor/ saviour agendas.

Today, it's easy to say "extremism is dividing us" while ignoring our own tendencies toward divisive behaviours.

In the OP, you wrote: "This accelerated rate of change is going to present humankind with significant economic and social challenges, but some of what might be possible is very exciting."

While I believe a third millennium in which we are all even more interested in coming together to continually solve problems is exciting and entirely possible, I can also see how human nature - arrogance, greed, tribalism, etc. - are likely to continue to get in the way. IMO it's up to each of us to consider what we can do differently as we move toward a solutions-focused future.
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rustled wrote: While I believe a third millennium in which we are all even more interested in coming together to continually solve problems is exciting and entirely possible, I can also see how human nature - arrogance, greed, tribalism, etc. - are likely to continue to get in the way. IMO it's up to each of us to consider what we can do differently as we move toward a solutions-focused future.
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The third millennium will be spectacular. Picture flying cars! We'll finally figure out how to recreate the technology to get us back to the moon so we can finally build shopping malls there and replace the American flag with a rainbow one! We'll all get along just fine and we'll be so healthy from the benefits of evolving science that life expectancy will rise to at least 300 years on average! Our city grids will be powered off of the most powerful, most renewable force on earth, love. There will be collars you can put on your dog that will translate its emotions into actual verbal communication. Dolphins will occupy all global judiciary committees and we'll have recreated the woolly mammoth only it will quickly devolve into an elephant because the whole world will be so hot that it won't need all that wool.
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Ka-El wrote: Aug 25th, 2021, 9:12 am
rustled wrote: While I believe a third millennium in which we are all even more interested in coming together to continually solve problems is exciting and entirely possible, I can also see how human nature - arrogance, greed, tribalism, etc. - are likely to continue to get in the way. IMO it's up to each of us to consider what we can do differently as we move toward a solutions-focused future.
At least we agree on something
You and I agree on a great many things, Ka-El. We share so many of the same objectives for the future, IMO our best option is to work together to achieve them.

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