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my5cents wrote: Sep 18th, 2021, 11:51 am As for facilities not scanning the QR codes, that's were the government comes in. Not hard to drop into a restaurant, present yourself and see if they scan your QR code, needs to be a huge fine, and second offence, bye bye business license.

Just have to establish to the facilities that the government means it.

It works for the Government Liquor Act, licensed premises know if they don't check ID's their liquor license is toast.

If the rule isn't enforced that's on the government.
Rec centers in seniors communities may be one of the environments where people look at the "proof of vaccine" instead of using technology to scan it. It will be interesting to see whether the government chooses to force volunteers to learn to use the technology to "police" vaccination status at their fly-tying or knitting workshops. (Also, whether or not anyone attending these workshops thinks it's worthwhile to tattle on the volunteers...)

Seems it's really not about protecting public health so much as it is about forcing compliance with the authorities.
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rustled wrote: Sep 18th, 2021, 1:06 pm
my5cents wrote: Sep 18th, 2021, 11:51 am As for facilities not scanning the QR codes, that's were the government comes in. Not hard to drop into a restaurant, present yourself and see if they scan your QR code, needs to be a huge fine, and second offence, bye bye business license.

Just have to establish to the facilities that the government means it.

It works for the Government Liquor Act, licensed premises know if they don't check ID's their liquor license is toast.

If the rule isn't enforced that's on the government.
Rec centers in seniors communities may be one of the environments where people look at the "proof of vaccine" instead of using technology to scan it. It will be interesting to see whether the government chooses to force volunteers to learn to use the technology to "police" vaccination status at their fly-tying or knitting workshops. (Also, whether or not anyone attending these workshops thinks it's worthwhile to tattle on the volunteers...)

Seems it's really not about protecting public health so much as it is about forcing compliance with the authorities.
The "technology" ? It's an app on a smart phone.

Yup, the government is just looking for ways to lord over people, to show they have power. Has nothing to do with protecting people.

If you're not vaccinated, rustled, I guess you'll just have to put off that knitting workshop a little longer.

All this talk going around about venues being forced to "police" patrons. Making sure patrons comply with rules and regulations is and has been an ongoing duty of employees at all venues. Checking ID for age for serving liquor, making sure someone pays their bill, there are many duties performed that are a form of "policing".
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my5cents wrote: Sep 18th, 2021, 2:18 pm
rustled wrote: Sep 18th, 2021, 1:06 pm

Rec centers in seniors communities may be one of the environments where people look at the "proof of vaccine" instead of using technology to scan it. It will be interesting to see whether the government chooses to force volunteers to learn to use the technology to "police" vaccination status at their fly-tying or knitting workshops. (Also, whether or not anyone attending these workshops thinks it's worthwhile to tattle on the volunteers...)

Seems it's really not about protecting public health so much as it is about forcing compliance with the authorities.
The "technology" ? It's an app on a smart phone.
And not every volunteer at a seniors' centre has one, or wants to learn how to use it just so they can share how to purl or curl or tat or scat or tie a fly. (See what I did there? :biggrin: )
my5cents wrote:Yup, the government is just looking for ways to lord over people, to show they have power. Has nothing to do with protecting people.
Maybe.

I'm still questioning what we are to believe they are protecting us against, when we know that vaccinated people can give us covid, too.
my5cents wrote:If you're not vaccinated, rustled, I guess you'll just have to put off that knitting workshop a little longer.
Am, thanks.

My point was, the person giving the workshop may be more inclined to look at what the government mailed me, and unless someone reports that to the government, the government won't know they have an enforcement issue.

And if the government does discover the volunteer showing us how to knit the cable pattern is only looking at my QR code, not scanning it with an app, what do you think the government will decide do about that?
my5cents wrote:All this talk going around about venues being forced to "police" patrons. Making sure patrons comply with rules and regulations is and has been an ongoing duty of employees at all venues. Checking ID for age for serving liquor, making sure someone pays their bill, there are many duties performed that are a form of "policing".
I think you've missed the entire point of volunteers having to learn how to "police" people dropping in to their workshops to meet the government's requirements, and whether or not it matters in the long run, but that's ok.

We'll see how it all pans out over time. Meanwhile, the less divisive bickering folk engage in over it, the better, IMO.
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rustled wrote: Sep 18th, 2021, 6:18 pm I'm still questioning what we are to believe they are protecting us against, when we know that vaccinated people can give us covid, too.
Covid-19 virus prevention isn't black and white.

Your concept being -
• Everyone, vaccinated or not, can spread the Covid virus
• Thus there is no sense in restricting areas to only vaccinated people.

Your missing an important point. Vaccinated people have less of a chance of contracting Covid-19. So if someone hasn't contracted Covid-19 because they are vaccinated, they don't have Covid-19 to spread.

No it's not perfect but what is ? Seatbelts save lives, BUT, you can be wearing a seatbelt and still get killed in a crash.
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I've not really looked into alternatives yet.

Why would my vax card from the nurse not be enough ?

Not everyone sports a computer phone.

I' personally have a several year old flip.
It does phone stuff, not computer stuff.

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my5cents wrote: Sep 19th, 2021, 9:42 am
rustled wrote: Sep 18th, 2021, 6:18 pm I'm still questioning what we are to believe they are protecting us against, when we know that vaccinated people can give us covid, too.
Covid-19 virus prevention isn't black and white.
Yup, and developing as we learn more.
my5cents wrote:Your concept being -
• Everyone, vaccinated or not, can spread the Covid virus
• Thus there is no sense in restricting areas to only vaccinated people.
Nope, that's not my "concept".

I've been pretty clear about expecting the steps our government takes to make sense from a public health and safety perspective.

This one is rather obviously more about forcing compliance than it is about protecting my elderly parent, whose vaccine protection is likely now waning.
my5cents wrote: Your missing an important point. Vaccinated people have less of a chance of contracting Covid-19. So if someone hasn't contracted Covid-19 because they are vaccinated, they don't have Covid-19 to spread.
You may have chosen to think so, yet in fact I've not missed that point at all. viewtopic.php?p=2887917#p2887917

Do kindly refrain from telling us what I understand, and what I don't. TIA.
my5cents wrote:No it's not perfect but what is ? Seatbelts save lives, BUT, you can be wearing a seatbelt and still get killed in a crash.
Seatbelt rules aren't used to save lives on some public roadways, and not required on others. We understand that an improperly fastened seatbelt, or one that has been damaged, offers reduced defence. Yet we have no legal requirement that unless our seatbelt must be inspected each time we enter a freeway.

It's the "only here, but not there" ambiguity of the vaccine passports that continues to show us they are more about forcing compliance than they are about protecting public health and safety.
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People who meet the requirements of the vaccine passport are protected from serious illness. They only show proof of that in some locations and not others, but the net effect is that they are protected whether checked or not.
People who do not meet the requirements have far less protection and a higher chance of serious illness.
By effecting a higher level of compliance in the population, it most certainly does provide the desired effect: reducing serious illness and death (which is a legitamate public health objective). while allowing those who are vaccinated to experience fewer restrictions.
There is nothing inherently evil about rewarding compliance with a requirement for vaccination. or about restricting not so compliant people from non-essential,or higher risk activities. Can they practically be policed every where, every minute of the day? No. but the net effect will bring about more progress toward the public health objective.
There is Premier Kenny, now bringing in some sort of passport because he sees the positive effect it has had in other provinces and countries and the not so good effect in his own province of just relying on people's natural sense of altruism. Already, more Albertans are signing up for the vaccine voluntarily. Will it work for every single individual? No. but the more the better. People who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons, or who just don't feel like it, can certainly continue to do that.
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Only need Vaccine Passport for following:

The requirement applies to all people born in 2009 or earlier (12+) and covers:

>Indoor ticketed sporting events with more than 50 people
>Indoor concerts, theatre, dance and symphony events with more than 50 people
>Licensed restaurants and cafes and restaurants and cafes that offer table service (indoor and patio dining), including liquor tasting rooms in wineries, breweries or distilleries
>Pubs, bars and lounges (indoor and patio dining)
>Nightclubs, casinos and movie theatres
>Gyms, exercise/dance facilities/studios and these activities happening in recreation facilities
>Businesses offering indoor exercise/fitness
>Indoor adult group and team sports for people 22 years old or older
>Indoor organized events with more than 50 people
For example: wedding and funeral receptions (outside of a funeral home), organized parties, conferences, trade fairs and workshops
>Indoor organized group recreational classes and activities with more than 50 people like pottery, art and choir
>Post-secondary student housing
>Spectators at indoor youth sporting events with more than 50 people

Note: Proof of vaccination is not required to vote in-person in the September 20 federal election.
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DirtyBiker, I am sure we all have to have the QR code one by the 24th... the lil card from the Clinic will not be accepted
I did learn that if you screw up you can just go back and print again ( just gives different date of issue
I was so smug getting it printed and laminated, naturally it is too large for my card case
It was only 6.50 for them to print and coat
I have had it scanned at restaurants
More annoyed about having to fish out the photo ID, and see the horror on checkers faces lol
But I am so old I remember when you have to present everything but your first born to get a Blockbusters card, and we did it cheerfully
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dirtybiker wrote: Sep 19th, 2021, 9:57 am I've not really looked into alternatives yet.

Why would my vax card from the nurse not be enough ?

Not everyone sports a computer phone.

I' personally have a several year old flip.
It does phone stuff, not computer stuff.

No plans to update.
I got my passport on my computer, printed it, and taped it to my vaccination record. I don't think that I will ever have to show it, but I have it if it is ever needed.
****I have one of those old phones as well .......Rugby II .... :up: . :138:
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alanjh595 wrote: Sep 19th, 2021, 12:44 pm I got my passport on my computer, printed it, and taped it to my vaccination record. I don't think that I will ever have to show it, but I have it if it is ever needed.
****I have one of those old phones as well .......Rugby II .... :up: . :138:
I did this for a 92 yr old friend. (Who will probably never use it)

If you download the file and print from that it will not scan properly. I was told this because they had problems at the Senior Centre with people who had done that. I tried it as well and it wouldn't scan.

You need to print from the screen shot of the passport. That worked.
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Okay, THANKS.

I probably won't need to use it but, it is attached to my vaccination record card anyways.

Thanks for the heads up.

I just got a new phone and haven't even transferred my phone book info to it yet. 3 weeks and it is still sitting on my coffee table, all I got is the Bluetooth and the wi-fi working.

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rustled wrote: Sep 19th, 2021, 10:25 am
my5cents wrote: Sep 19th, 2021, 9:42 am
Your missing an important point. Vaccinated people have less of a chance of contracting Covid-19. So if someone hasn't contracted Covid-19 because they are vaccinated, they don't have Covid-19 to spread.
You may have chosen to think so, yet in fact I've not missed that point at all. viewtopic.php?p=2887917#p2887917

Do kindly refrain from telling us what I understand, and what I don't. TIA.
You stated: "I'm still questioning what we are to believe they are protecting us against, when we know that vaccinated people can give us covid, too."

I think my reply was reasonable, as it seem you were missing the point that being vaccinated doesn't 100% guarantee that one won't contract Covid-19 BUT the degree of risk is reduced, thus if one hasn't contracted Covid-19 they can't spread what they don't have.
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dirtybiker wrote: Sep 19th, 2021, 9:57 am I've not really looked into alternatives yet.

Why would my vax card from the nurse not be enough ?

Not everyone sports a computer phone.

I' personally have a several year old flip.
It does phone stuff, not computer stuff.

No plans to update.
If you have a printer you can print a paper vaccine passport by yourself. 3"x3"
If not, you can phone and they will send you one in the mail.
Click on: I don't have access to a smartphone, computer and printer
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/vaccinecard.html
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