Blame the Victim Excuse the Perp

[dgb]

Break & entering charge for a repeat offender should result in 1 way ticket to 200km east of Tuktoyaktuk

That would be Paulatuk, NT. So by your logic, "repeat offenders" in Paulatuk should be sent to Kelowna?

[Mrmarvingardens]

Some good posts, some just nonsensical on how to combat criminal activity in cities like Kelowna.
What was missing was a proposed solution that must revolve around all of the community.
I attempted to detail this in a post yesterday, but it appeared not to make it past the censors.
While important elements of the community are part of the problem, they don't like to be reminded.
Bring these elements to the fore and you are told you cannot do this.
So, until the community decides all in it might be part of the problem, the finger pointing and the crime simply continues.

[GordonH]

Break & entering charge for a repeat offender should result in 1 way ticket to 200km east of Tuktoyaktuk

It works out to be around here: 69.521562, -128.000541

[dgb]

Break & entering charge for a repeat offender should result in 1 way ticket to 200km east of Tuktoyaktuk

It works out to be around here: 69.521562, -128.000541

Yes .. and the nearest hamlet is Paulatuk.

Let me rephrase the question: how would offloading our societal issues on a community even less equipped to deal with it solve anything?

[GordonH]

Break & entering charge for a repeat offender should result in 1 way ticket to 200km east of Tuktoyaktuk

That would be Paulatuk, NT. So by your logic, "repeat offenders" in Paulatuk should be sent to Kelowna?

Not sure if those being dropped off would be able or willing to walk 160km... or know which direction to walk in (especially when whiteout condition come along).

Since our current justice system just gives these individuals a light slap on the wrist and back on streets to get caught again & again & again etc...etc.

Added later: there is a car wash in Kelowna having to spend thousands of dollars repairing equipment, for what tokens because thieves don’t understand their no actual money inside.

[dgb]

Some good posts, some just nonsensical on how to combat criminal activity in cities like Kelowna.
What was missing was a proposed solution that must revolve around all of the community.
I attempted to detail this in a post yesterday, but it appeared not to make it past the censors.
While important elements of the community are part of the problem, they don't like to be reminded.
Bring these elements to the fore and you are told you cannot do this.
So, until the community decides all in it might be part of the problem, the finger pointing and the crime simply continues.

Good post. Reminded me of this quote:

"How a society treats its most vulnerable is always the measure of its humanity." - Matthew Rycroft CBE, 2015.

[gardengirl]

Some good posts, some just nonsensical on how to combat criminal activity in cities like Kelowna.
What was missing was a proposed solution that must revolve around all of the community.
I attempted to detail this in a post yesterday, but it appeared not to make it past the censors.
While important elements of the community are part of the problem, they don't like to be reminded.
Bring these elements to the fore and you are told you cannot do this.
So, until the community decides all in it might be part of the problem, the finger pointing and the crime simply continues.

Good post. Reminded me of this quote:

"How a society treats its most vulnerable is always the measure of its humanity." - Matthew Rycroft CBE, 2015.

Yes. It appears that the law-abiding, tax paying citizens are now the most vulnerable. They are the victims.

[dgb]

Good post. Reminded me of this quote:

"How a society treats its most vulnerable is always the measure of its humanity." - Matthew Rycroft CBE, 2015.

Yes. It appears that the law-abiding, tax paying citizens are now the most vulnerable. They are the victims.

Sure, a few business owners are more vulnerable than than the hundreds of homeless scraping by day-to-day in *our* community with addiction and/or mental health issues. Ok.

[my5cents]

Sure, a few business owners are more vulnerable than than the hundreds of homeless scraping by day-to-day in *our* community with addiction and/or mental health issues. Ok.

So the business owners should accept the continual theft of and destruction to their property ?

[MAPearce]

Sure, a few business owners are more vulnerable than than the hundreds of homeless scraping by day-to-day in *our* community with addiction and/or mental health issues. Ok.

This , right here , is the attitude that will perpetuate if not normalize the criminal activity business owners and their staff deal with everyday ..

Sad really .

[JayByrd]

Not sure if those being dropped off would be able or willing to walk 160km... or know which direction to walk in (especially when whiteout condition come along).

If you want them dead, just say so. And if you'd be willing to pull the trigger each time, say that too.

[normaM]

omg, seems half the City is serving the " homeless" they aren't homeless btw, they chose a certain Lifestyle
The people committing the crimes know ZERO is going to happen to them if they do get caught, we read the stories how they get caught over and over for the same offenses

I feel badly for the business Owners, who have staff, and they all pay taxes to help fund said " homelessmess"
Imagine going here is free housing, food, better medical service than I can get at the Hospital only to have them rob you

About now I'd be getting guard dogs named Sudden and Death to keep my business secure

[Bsuds]

About now I'd be getting guard dogs named Sudden and Death to keep my business secure

Robocop...

[dgb]

It's good to see folks here opening their eyes to the fact that Kelowna does have a homeless problem. It's regrettable that it took an apparent uptick in crime in some neighbourhoods to effect a renewed interest in some of the societal issues we are all grappling with.

Some of us are only a paycheque or two away from living on the street. In 2020, at least 297 people were experiencing homelessness in the Kelowna. As someone who has volunteered for this marginalized part of our society, I assure you that homelessness is not a "choice". And, yes, marginalized people often commit desperate acts, to survive.

Moving the homeless elsewhere, building more jails, or allowing the homeless to die will solve nothing. Instead of focussing on the symptoms of homelessness, how about looking at its root causes. Be a part of the solution. Volunteer at a homeless shelter. Write your MP/MLA. Go to a council meeting. Talk to someone who is living on the street. Contribute to a local charity. Say hi to your neighbour.

Ostracising the most vulnerable members of our society will only exacerbate the issues. For everyone. Peace.

[69cutlass]

It's good to see folks here opening their eyes to the fact that Kelowna does have a homeless problem. It's regrettable that it took an apparent uptick in crime in some neighbourhoods to effect a renewed interest in some of the societal issues we are all grappling with.

Some of us are only a paycheque or two away from living on the street. In 2020, at least 297 people were experiencing homelessness in the Kelowna. As someone who has volunteered for this marginalized part of our society, I assure you that homelessness is not a "choice". And, yes, marginalized people often commit desperate acts, to survive.

Moving the homeless elsewhere, building more jails, or allowing the homeless to die will solve nothing. Instead of focussing on the symptoms of homelessness, how about looking at its root causes. Be a part of the solution. Volunteer at a homeless shelter. Write your MP/MLA. Go to a council meeting. Talk to someone who is living on the street. Contribute to a local charity. Say hi to your neighbour.

Ostracising the most vulnerable members of our society will only exacerbate the issues. For everyone. Peace.

It's not the homeless that people are against. It's the criminal element that everyone has a problem with. If you break the law willingly the reason why doesn't matter. You need punished and a chance to be rehabilitated. Repeat offenders need lengthy sentences.