Killing of Canadian Police Officers

[my5cents]

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/40 ... ent-deaths
"Some of Canada's largest police associations say they are banding together to identify the root causes behind the killings of five police officers in the past four months."

We've heard the media go on about incidents related to fatal police public interactions.

A couple of weeks ago I was outraged when CTV Vancouver segued from a story about the murder of a young Ontario Provincial Police Officer to a story about "the increase in police killing citizens".

Following news cast did not use the VERY DISTASTEFUL and INAPPROPRIATE connection between the two stories, but then opted to present a story on police killing citizens linked to the Bank Robbery event in Saanich BC where two brothers were killed following a violent bank robbery where 6 police officers were shot. The event was investigation by BC Police Watchdog, the IIO, and resolved as - “(The suspects) had reacted to police presence with unbridled violence at the upper end of the scale that could reasonably be anticipated in a civilized society,”

How the murder of a young constable while checking a complaint of a car in a ditch, or a pair a deranged brothers opening fire on police arriving at a bank they were robbing, is evidence of "The Killing by police of civilians is out of control", I have no idea.

Since this event was presented by CTV as an example of police (wrongly ?) killing citizens I guess CTV knows more about investigating police actions than the IIO. Perhaps the attending police, coming under fire as they showed up at the bank, should have put down their weapons and pleaded for peace.

Now the media have switched gears from "Police are killing citizens at a high rate", vein to "Police are getting killed at a high rate". Quite a change in direction for the media in only one week.

I got thinking "what is the likely outcome" ? We already have a ridiculous catch and release government/courts policy. We already have a ridiculously low punishment policy for any serious crime, and to add insult to injury after the a violent criminal is given a slap on the wrist, they also MUST be released early after serving only 2/3rds of their sentence.

The logic in killing a police officer in Canada is completely flawed, in that the criminal isn't going to face a death penalty for the crime they are trying to evade the police for. They aren't, like in the US, possibly facing life in prison with no chance of parole at all. They are facing a couple of years in a federal bed and breakfast before being released early.

However if the criminal does kill a cop, they still only face a slap on the wrist.

Now, you are a cop, the courts are letting out the criminals you catch to continue their crimes while awaiting trial, IF, after all the hoops and legal shenanigans the criminal is actually convicted they only get a few years, maybe looking for a reason to end their pathetic life isn't that unrealistic. Now with police deaths on an increase, are our police going to become trigger happy like their counterparts in the US ????

[Glacier]

And they wonder why no one wants to go into policing...

[Catsumi]

Good post my5cents. I agree with your thoughts entirely.

[countmeout]

Not everyone who applies gets in, sounds like some want to go into policing. It still pays 80k+ after the first raise with no university degree.

[my5cents]

If one looks at police work for the pay, there are lots of other jobs that pay as well with far less turmoil, especially in this time of job availability.

Any kind of altercation there are dozens of video devices recording your every move and then not necessarily distributed in a positive manner.

Shift work, court on days off or while you are on night shift.

Getting up at ? 4:00 PM (a full sleep if someone doesn't bang on the door, or the phone doesn't ring), have something to eat, zombie around for a few hours and go to work at ? midnight, work all night. Get off at 8:00 AM, hang around until 10:00 AM for court and then sit waiting for your turn to testify then home at ? noon 1:00 PM, get as much sleep as you can then back to work at midnight.

But the topic is, Killing of Police Officers.

• Should there be mandatory death penalty for killing a cop or jail guard ? (there was but if was never used)
• Will an increase in Canadian cop killings, increase the likelihood our police, like the US police, will get trigger happy ?

Some media have raised concerns that our police are already killing citizens more frequently,,, is this because of the trend that police are getting killed and injured, or is it a sign of the times, the new generation cops need to rely on "tools" like guns, taser, pepper spray and not good old talking, that has always been a cops best alternative.

[Babba_not_Gump]

There needs to a huge change from society, from the justice system, from media before life on the line gets better.
The media in particular serves no useful purpose with this problem.

You mentioned CTV, yeah they're guilty but so is Global, CBC, all influenced by our government's social leanings.

The courts? A disaster as we all know.

And society, influenced hugely by media. And having a lax view of discipline of their children. No consequences for children simply follows through to our court system.

Other than that, I don't know what the solution is.

[my5cents]

There needs to a huge change from society, from the justice system, from media before life on the line gets better.
The media in particular serves no useful purpose with this problem.

You mentioned CTV, yeah they're guilty but so is Global, CBC, all influenced by our government's social leanings.

The courts? A disaster as we all know.

And society, influenced hugely by media. And having a lax view of discipline of their children. No consequences for children simply follows through to our court system.

Other than that, I don't know what the solution is.

By mentioning CTV, doesn't mean the others are blameless. What should I have said ? "on a TV channel",,,, I was just providing a fact, I happened to see and hear the slanted news on CTV, nothing more, nothing less.

We are going to see more and more people employed in the job of police officer who are there for a pay cheque, not a career.

Their means of solving a problem is going to be using a tool, gun, club, taser, pepper spray, dog, not using their words or perhaps a bit of physical restraint. The public is going to record more and more interaction between police and law breakers and the police are going to do less and less intervention and more inaction waiting for direction from supervisors to take take the blame if their action is deemed inappropriate, upon microscopic review. As the law gets more pro-criminal and puts victims and police "on trial" more and more, fewer and fewer will be charged,,, "what's the sense, they'll be released right away and at trial they'll get off" will be the mentality.

This is a slippery slope and we've just started the decline.

The press get more attention for stories about police suspected of wrong doing, so we'll see more and more.

It's the small things, the words. How many times have you heard the news media use "armed police......" ever seen a cop that wasn't armed ? So why use the phrase, because it sounds threatening, somehow wrong,,,,, it's subliminal.

The police are playing a type of game. Their job is to enforce the law, to do so they have rules. Rules of evidence, procedures, policies, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, thousands of them restricting how the police conduct themselves to enforce those laws, breaking some rules cause them to loose a case, some cause them to loose their jobs.

The criminals don't follow any rules, they have the laws, but those they ignore. But they use the rules later against the police, victims and witnesses if it's to their benefit.

[Babba_not_Gump]

Another police officer dies.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/pr ... adlineNews
Quebec officer killed during arrest after she was attacked with knife
The police force confirmed the death of Sgt. Maureen Breau, an officer with more than 20 years of experience

This is becoming all to frequent. Ever wonder why?
Here's the top comment from the above story.
A police uniform is symbolic.
When our officers, across the country, are increasingly subject to perilous attacks, it is the ultimate sign of contempt for authority, for rules and for law-abiding people in general.
It is a national, not local issue. And this only comes about because there is a tacit understanding that those who live outside our laws will face minimal consequence.
From the top down, when the Prime Minister cannot be held to account for any misdeeds, it sends a message.
When illegally smuggled firearms are the problem but the government goes after the legal ones, it sends a message.
When you can walk across our borders, breaking our laws as the first order of business on arrival and be welcomed, it sends a message.
When you can burn down churches, attack infrastructure and vandalize public monuments and be supported, it sends a message.
When you can shoplift and commit petty crimes and if caught, you just apologize, blame a politically expedient target and cite a few “isms” in your defense and you’re back on the street plying your trade, it sends a message loud and clear. You want a return to safe streets?
Stop pandering to politically woke bafflegab and bring back actual punishment for breaking the law. You want unsafe streets? Keep adding to the list of acceptable excuses.

RIP officer.

Yup, contempt for authourity, whether it's at home, school or on the streets.
It's all about the lack of consequences in today's society and it goes back to families raising children, discipline/consequences lacking.
Then it appeared in schools. Very little discipline. And consequences? When was the last time a student had the strap? What has happened with detentions? Are children held back, failed?
Then there's our justice system. We all know about that. It's turned into a not-so-funny joke.

Why has this happened?
The left leaning crowd has taken over everywhere. Daycare, kindergarten, schools, courts. Just take a look at our prisons and the benefits the prisoners get. If they get to prison.

It's time for the pendulum to start it's inevitable swing in favour of consequences.

RIP officer.

[my5cents]

Well said Babba

[69cutlass]

Another police officer dies.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/pr ... adlineNews
Quebec officer killed during arrest after she was attacked with knife
The police force confirmed the death of Sgt. Maureen Breau, an officer with more than 20 years of experience

This is becoming all to frequent. Ever wonder why?
Here's the top comment from the above story.
A police uniform is symbolic.
When our officers, across the country, are increasingly subject to perilous attacks, it is the ultimate sign of contempt for authority, for rules and for law-abiding people in general.
It is a national, not local issue. And this only comes about because there is a tacit understanding that those who live outside our laws will face minimal consequence.
From the top down, when the Prime Minister cannot be held to account for any misdeeds, it sends a message.
When illegally smuggled firearms are the problem but the government goes after the legal ones, it sends a message.
When you can walk across our borders, breaking our laws as the first order of business on arrival and be welcomed, it sends a message.
When you can burn down churches, attack infrastructure and vandalize public monuments and be supported, it sends a message.
When you can shoplift and commit petty crimes and if caught, you just apologize, blame a politically expedient target and cite a few “isms” in your defense and you’re back on the street plying your trade, it sends a message loud and clear. You want a return to safe streets?
Stop pandering to politically woke bafflegab and bring back actual punishment for breaking the law. You want unsafe streets? Keep adding to the list of acceptable excuses.

RIP officer.

Yup, contempt for authourity, whether it's at home, school or on the streets.
It's all about the lack of consequences in today's society and it goes back to families raising children, discipline/consequences lacking.
Then it appeared in schools. Very little discipline. And consequences? When was the last time a student had the strap? What has happened with detentions? Are children held back, failed?
Then there's our justice system. We all know about that. It's turned into a not-so-funny joke.

Why has this happened?
The left leaning crowd has taken over everywhere. Daycare, kindergarten, schools, courts. Just take a look at our prisons and the benefits the prisoners get. If they get to prison.

It's time for the pendulum to start it's inevitable swing in favour of consequences.

RIP officer.

[Bsuds]

Killing of a Police Officer should be the death penalty.

[lesliepaul]

Another police officer dies.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/pr ... adlineNews
Quebec officer killed during arrest after she was attacked with knife
The police force confirmed the death of Sgt. Maureen Breau, an officer with more than 20 years of experience

This is becoming all to frequent. Ever wonder why?
Here's the top comment from the above story.
A police uniform is symbolic.
When our officers, across the country, are increasingly subject to perilous attacks, it is the ultimate sign of contempt for authority, for rules and for law-abiding people in general.
It is a national, not local issue. And this only comes about because there is a tacit understanding that those who live outside our laws will face minimal consequence.
From the top down, when the Prime Minister cannot be held to account for any misdeeds, it sends a message.
When illegally smuggled firearms are the problem but the government goes after the legal ones, it sends a message.
When you can walk across our borders, breaking our laws as the first order of business on arrival and be welcomed, it sends a message.
When you can burn down churches, attack infrastructure and vandalize public monuments and be supported, it sends a message.
When you can shoplift and commit petty crimes and if caught, you just apologize, blame a politically expedient target and cite a few “isms” in your defense and you’re back on the street plying your trade, it sends a message loud and clear. You want a return to safe streets?
Stop pandering to politically woke bafflegab and bring back actual punishment for breaking the law. You want unsafe streets? Keep adding to the list of acceptable excuses.

RIP officer.

Yup, contempt for authourity, whether it's at home, school or on the streets.
It's all about the lack of consequences in today's society and it goes back to families raising children, discipline/consequences lacking.
Then it appeared in schools. Very little discipline. And consequences? When was the last time a student had the strap? What has happened with detentions? Are children held back, failed?
Then there's our justice system. We all know about that. It's turned into a not-so-funny joke.

Why has this happened?
The left leaning crowd has taken over everywhere. Daycare, kindergarten, schools, courts. Just take a look at our prisons and the benefits the prisoners get. If they get to prison.

It's time for the pendulum to start it's inevitable swing in favour of consequences.

RIP officer.

[69cutlass]

Killing of a Police Officer should be the death penalty.

Killing anyone non accidentally should be a death sentence

[Babba_not_Gump]

Canada loses another police officer.

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/448241 ... -Coquitlam
One Mountie killed, another injured in shooting in downtown Coquitlam

[Urban Cowboy]

Not everyone who applies gets in, sounds like some want to go into policing. It still pays 80k+ after the first raise with no university degree.

Crap pay to become a person with a target on your back.

Forklift drivers at the port, make upwards of double that, without the target, and also without a degree.