Transgendered Woman Upset by Gym's Policy

[the truth]

Why should they have to adapt to society, but not society also adapt them? hypothetically of course.

Why not ask these two ladies?

Concerns over transgender client at Okanagan shelter

Two women are raising concerns about the latest person to move into a Kelowna homeless shelter for women.

“He wants to become a woman, I mean that is his choice but when a man comes into a women’s shelter who still has a penis and genitals he has more rights than we do.” Tracey said.

Tracey is upset that she was made to share a room with a transgender individual, a man transitioning to become a woman.

“They told me, sorry if a person identifies themselves with female, then we have to go with that.” Tracey said.

Another client named Blaine was also staying at the shelter. She recently fled from an abusive relationship and says she’s uncomfortable with a transgender person staying at women’s only facility.

“Some women have had bad experiences with men so they are fleeing men and now we have a man living there,” Blaine said.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3300518/conc ... n-shelter/

They spoke out because they felt unsafe. And were then kicked out for speaking out. Makes total sense.

unbelievable, what a bunch of clowns, the whole thing is just a look at me game, they are all looking for their 15 min of trans fame
this shelter is putting - woke pc bs - ahead of real women safety, shame on them

[rustled]

yes, that was pretty shocking and SO unfair when this happened. Like the ladies said ( and ladies who are in fear for their life and their children's and finally made the hard decisions to leave their abusive spouses) Transitioning Men have more rights in a Women's Shelter than they do and their children, and apparently the Transgender community sees nothing wrong with it because if they did they would completely understand the fear these women and children have and they would be starting a Transgender Shelter themselves.

Maybe that's the solution. A trans shelter. A place where they can go to feel safe.

If a trans woman is in an abusive relationship and makes the hard decision to leave the abusive spouses, where are they supposed to go? Yes, we're talking about a woman with a penis between her legs. Where is she to go? This question is less hypothetical than some that I've asked.

Men still have the same problem today. Fathers needing to remove their children to a safer space have dealt with this problem for years, without much support from society.

Until recently, society saw biological women and children as more in need of protection because they are most often physically less able to defend themselves against biological males.

[the truth]

" It's my belief that woman only gyms shouldn't be accepted by society."
Why?
I could ask why is it important if you are male to see women working out at the gym? Far too many creepers gawking and recording

well men only gyms was a thing not so long ago, but a few complained and guess what no more men guys only, but there are women's only gyms, why ?

[youjustcomplain]

*removed*

[Nedroj]

I do think you bring up a good point though. Is some of the resistance to accepting new ideas with regards to trans or gay rights, based on very old religious based teachings? Being that I don't belong to any faith group and don't believe in any gods makes me wonder if my feelings on this subject is influenced, or rather, not influenced by that.

Im not religious at all and denounce all religions as false and against all current scientific knowledge and understanding. I dont think this has much to do with religion as it has to do with as a previous poster put it as an unattainable goal and forcing the rest of us to go along with it.

Nothing about this discussion has anything to do with gays, lesbians, and bi-sexuals, as 99% of the population including myself have fully accepted them. There will always be 1% who hate them for idiotic reasons just like there will always be that 1% that are heinous have no morals and commit murder, sexual assault, etc no matter what laws are passed.

As for my previous post, I meant that best case scenario, currently the government barely has any funds to keep our healthcare system functioning as is let alone taking on an increase in elective and medically dangerous procedures like sex reassignment surgery, those types of surgeries are going to get bumped for other more important such as life or death ones 100% all the time.

The middle case Scenario is in 5-10 years when this fad is dwindling due to botched surgeries, transition regret, change in trends, and all the lawsuits starting, people will quickly abandon it and claim to be victims of "the system".

The worst case scenario is Antifa and the radical extremist left-wing people get their way and police forces are defunded, first responders quit their jobs, nurses and doctors walk off, governments break down, and all hell breaks loose. These people won't have anything to help them with their feelings of wanting to be another gender. It's survival mode now.

[JLives]

" It's my belief that woman only gyms shouldn't be accepted by society."
Why?
I could ask why is it important if you are male to see women working out at the gym? Far too many creepers gawking and recording

well men only gyms was a thing not so long ago, but a few complained and guess what no more men guys only, but there are women's only gyms, why ?

For the safety of women. The exact same reason this transgendered woman wants to attend the gym.

[the truth]

well men only gyms was a thing not so long ago, but a few complained and guess what no more men guys only, but there are women's only gyms, why ?

For the safety of women. The exact same reason this transgendered woman wants to attend the gym.

so they can open transgender gyms then,

[rustled]

well men only gyms was a thing not so long ago, but a few complained and guess what no more men guys only, but there are women's only gyms, why ?

For the safety of women. The exact same reason this transgendered woman wants to attend the gym.

Yup. Which leads us to wonder how safe this transgendered woman will feel sharing her safe space with biological men.

[Fancy]

So this transgendered person who looks like a man and sounds like a man but identifies as a woman only for a few years is finding issue with working out in a co-ed gym? Does this person have a case if filing a lawsuit?

[JLives]

For the safety of women. The exact same reason this transgendered woman wants to attend the gym.

so they can open transgender gyms then,

So you guys can go protest outside and harass those attending like at the libraries? Not a great idea. They want to improve safety.

[Nedroj]

When you say "we", who do you represent? Everyone who is against trans rights?

While I'll let Nedroj speak for Nedroj, it is inaccurate to suggest people who simply do not think trans rights should supersede women's rights are therefore against trans rights.

To me, this illustrates the peril of using an emotional fallacy in defence of the DIE agenda regardless of the consequences.

I think that people who say "we", do so to add weight behind their argument. Like, I represent the majority of educated people on the subject, therefor I'm right and you're wrong. I typically avoid attempting to represent more than my own opinion, unless I state otherwise. That's all.

"To add weight behind their argument"? Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ this is what I said:

This might confuse you as your group seems to think that just because we don't agree with trans people's choices and views we must hate and despise them. Nothing can be further from the truth. We feel sorry for these people suffering from a serious mental illnesses.

I mean WE as in people that may not agree with trans people's choices or views but we don't hate them or think they're not humans. You know the famous quote:

“Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.”

[rustled]

I think that people who say "we", do so to add weight behind their argument. Like, I represent the majority of educated people on the subject, therefor I'm right and you're wrong. I typically avoid attempting to represent more than my own opinion, unless I state otherwise. That's all.

"To add weight behind their argument"? Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ this is what I said:

This might confuse you as your group seems to think that just because we don't agree with trans people's choices and views we must hate and despise them. Nothing can be further from the truth. We feel sorry for these people suffering from a serious mental illnesses.

I mean WE as in people that may not agree with trans people's choices or views but we don't hate them or think they're not humans. You know the famous quote:

“Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.”

That's a good quote, and very a propos this thread.

Surely people genuinely supportive of transgendered women's fears of using gyms with men in them understand why welcoming members who are obviously biologically male isn't going to help anyone.

[Patron]

yes, that was pretty shocking and SO unfair when this happened. Like the ladies said ( and ladies who are in fear for their life and their children's and finally made the hard decisions to leave their abusive spouses) Transitioning Men have more rights in a Women's Shelter than they do and their children, and apparently the Transgender community sees nothing wrong with it because if they did they would completely understand the fear these women and children have and they would be starting a Transgender Shelter themselves.

Maybe that's the solution. A trans shelter. A place where they can go to feel safe.

If a trans woman is in an abusive relationship and makes the hard decision to leave the abusive spouses, where are they supposed to go? Yes, we're talking about a woman with a penis between her legs. Where is she to go? This question is less hypothetical than some that I've asked.

it is the only solution same as Transitioning Gyms, the transgender community should be doing everything they can to help their Community feel safe in certain places not complaining that their rights aren't being respected, do something about it then cause it can be done. Also what do you think would happen if a homophobic person walked into a Gay Bar that is advertised as a Gay Bar and started calling gay people nasty names, the Establishment would kick their butts out immediately as they are causing discomfort to the customers of their establishment and they would have every right to do so.

[youjustcomplain]

We're not here to talk about other posters and their arguments, though.

In reality, change for the better for trans women can't be achieved by disregarding negative outcomes for women.

Whoa whoa whoa. you wrote that I'm misguided for telling people that they should open their eye's, despite their support for trans people. My rebuttal was that the people I've blanket referenced do not have that opinion.

I have not attempted to disregard potential negative outcomes.
But since we're talking about negative outcomes, what about the outcomes where LGBTQ+ aren't accepted by society? Those are going to all be negative. Change is required to correct that. Digging in our heals saying that some woman might not like change shouldn't permit the apathy or contempt towards LBGTQ+ people.

Again though, I'm not saying everyone hates LGBTQ+ people.

[the truth]

so they can open transgender gyms then,

So you guys can go protest outside and harass those attending like at the libraries? Not a great idea. They want to improve safety.

always looking for an excuse , i could not care less build as many trans gyms that you want, and stay out of real women's gym