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[seewood]

that's the advantage of going a minimum $7 million over budget with a $145 million spending cap.

And the gutless F1 association: "bad boys, don't do it again, here's a token little fine"

Red Bull must have compromising pictures of Stefano Domenicali with farmyard animals or something. 2021 , again the rules were not followed at the last race.

[lesliepaul]

that's the advantage of going a minimum $7 million over budget with a $145 million spending cap.

And the gutless F1 association: "bad boys, don't do it again, here's a token little fine"

Red Bull must have compromising pictures of Stefano Domenicali with farmyard animals or something. 2021 , again the rules were not followed at the last race.

At least $7 million over on the 2021 budget cap got Red Bull penalized on wind tunnel time AND a $7 million fine?...............small price to pay to be able to develop the 2022 chassis a year early and literally giving Red Bull a year advantage over the other nine teams which just snowballs.

Mercedes did that in 2013 with the new "KERS" engines coming for the 2014 season.............EXCEPT there was NO BUDGET CAP then..........just smarts with a completely new engine.

The chassis rule changes implemented for the 2021 season in 2020 by the FIA/F1 were done to DIRECTLY slow Mercedes down (not a secret). It took Mercedes literally over 1/2 the 2021 season to get their cars competitive on track to compete with Red Bull. It did result in one of the best F1 season battles in history............but again..........we all know how that ended.

From that last race/last lap of 2021 to this day I a truly disgusted with the powers to be with F1...........more GREED than ever with Liberty buying F1 and turning it into a "commercial" circus in the U.S.

I am waiting for Liberty to come up with a slogan for the Vegas race..............."COME FOR THE HOOKERS AND BLOW AND MAYBE SEE A RACE FOR A $2000 TICKET".

[downhiller]

"Red Bull is stupid fast"....................that's the advantage of going a minimum $7 million over budget with a $145 million spending cap.

The breach was $2.2M over the $145M cap. Red Bull was fined $7M plus 10% reduction in wind tunnel time.

[lesliepaul]

"Red Bull is stupid fast"....................that's the advantage of going a minimum $7 million over budget with a $145 million spending cap.

The breach was $2.2M over the $145M cap. Red Bull was fined $7M plus 10% reduction in wind tunnel time.

I am glad you believe the narrative that the FIA and F1 put out for the cap breach. There is so much more to this than the tidbit you have latched onto.

The 2022 team audit was completed a couple of weeks ago..........end of July. Last year before the summer break no mention of the team audits completed for 2021 but only that two teams were over........one procedural (Aston Martin minor) and the other major. When that news came out EVERYONE (teams) knew it was Red Bull.........with talk amongst the teams of an overspend as much as $7 to $9 MILLION. Within a few weeks there was no more talk about it...........the powers to be with the FIA/F1 put a muzzle on the teams to not talk about the issue publicly (more than likely money was thrown at them). It took until AFTER the last race in December for FIA/F1 to announce their massaged findings.

The FIA/F1 took FOUR MONTHS to make an announcement about Red Bull and the penalty. Those four months were used to find a way to whittle $7 to $9 million down to $2 million. FACT..........the FIA/F1 could not face another major up like they did for the last race of 2021 and the B.S. of a non-race at Spa at the end of August 2021 resulting in a Red Bull win?

Oh, and why exactly a $7 MILLION fine?

Red Bull and whiner Horner came out crying how unfair it is for them to lose wind-tunnel time. Bottom line for those 4 to 5 months of waiting for the fixing of the audit results in 2022 Horner AND Red Bull were ing themselves. If FIA/F1 had the balls the penalties were HUGE.........you can actually look this up online if you are remotely interested.

F1 has turned into a greed-infested entity with the hierarchy bending rules from one day to the next and then trying to save face.

[downhiller]

I am glad you believe the narrative that the FIA and F1 put out for the cap breach. There is so much more to this than the tidbit you have latched onto.

Sounds like you have it all figured out.

[lesliepaul]

I am glad you believe the narrative that the FIA and F1 put out for the cap breach. There is so much more to this than the tidbit you have latched onto.

Sounds like you have it all figured out.

Yes, some of us do.............the one's who pay attention behind the scenes of F1and not just the "who won the race" crowd.

Please find in the link I have posted below that came out earlier TODAY.

https://racer.com/2023/09/06/f1-cost-ca ... d-for-now/

Please note in the MIDDLE of paragraph 3.............."up to $7.25 million"...........as I mentioned earlier, the numbers going through the F1 paddock was anywhere from $7 to $9 million. All of this talk of an overspend came right after the July 31st. 2022 Hungary F1 race. Sky sports interviewed Ferrari F1 Team Principle Mattia Binotto after the race and he was asked if Ferrari would be bringing a "new" chassis as an upgrade to the Belgium F1 race after the summer break...........when he stopped laughing he stated........."there is certainly no money to do that under the existing budget cap". It was literally the next day where the money numbers started to come out over "Red Bulls" budget breach...........all the teams knew.

If you Google "F1 Budget Cap Violations" in the F1 Rules (believe me, it's there to be read) you will find that $7.25 million OVER the budget cap falls under a "MAJOR VIOLATION". Penalties for "Major Violations"...........Lose ALL of the teams Constructors points for that year (sharing the F1 money from LAST place instead of 2nd place.........$100 million loss right there)............Driver loses ALL of his Drivers points for that year (like Michael Schumacher did in 1997 when he deliberately ran into the side of Jacques Villeneuve in the last race of the season to decide the Championship) PLUS a fine (definitely larger than $7 million) and possibly be banned from several races in the following year............and there could be more penalties. McLaren was fined $100 MILLION (largest fine ever in sports) in 2007 for acquiring Ferrari's "playbook" from a Ferrari employee that came over to work for McLaren.

Now, if this info came out publicly at the end of July 2022...........why did the FINAL announcement of the violation come after the last F1 race in December 2022 at Abu Dhabi? Because, FIA/F1 needed that time of almost FIVE MONTHS to whittle $7.25 million down to $2.2 million to fall under a MINOR violation.

Bottom line in all of this..............FIA/F1 did all of this to save "face"........especially after how the last race of the 2021 season ended along with the fiasco of the NON-race at Spa in 2021 behind the Safety Car for 3 laps resulting in Verstappen/Red Bull getting a WIN............not a single lap raced.


Sorry to have repeated myself with some points already mentioned in an earlier post...........for clarity sake.

[seewood]

^^^ Thanks for this, getting me more aware as to the behind the scenes of this multi billion dollar industry (sport)
I know a bit late to the party, but a neighbour that has followed F1 religiously for years had said much the same.

Still, second is the new first in this years races.

[seewood]

Singapore GP- bit of a sleeper until the safety car.
is Red bull sandbagging today?

[lesliepaul]

Singapore GP- bit of a sleeper until the safety car.
is Red bull sandbagging today?

YUP............first 20 laps worked like "Sominex.............then we had a race.

Saintz deserved the win and he played the last 5 laps brilliantly.............allowing Norris to to stay close enough to give him DRS which kept him ahead of the two Mercedes. If Norris did not have DRS he would have been passed guaranteed by both Russell and Hamilton on much fresher tires...........that was a great call by Mercedes to have a second pit stop for both cars.

I am not sold on Russell yet...........he is a YAPPER on the radio with much of it being unnecessary...........today was a good example of his useless radio talk....... he needs better concentration for sure. Hamilton knows he just has to bide his time when Russell is ahead. Even today in the last 3 laps Hamilton was getting upset with Russell........he wasted at least 3 laps waiting for Russell to make a move that never came.

Japan next weekend.............I fully expect Red Bull to make a complete turnaround from this race...........if they don't and are suffering issues much like today I have to wonder????????.............did the FIA say something about the Red Bull's floor flex and wing flex? If the FIA did, it will not change the outcome of either championships for 2023 BUT will aid in F1 looking like the racing is "really" close all of a sudden (which is bull ). I would not put something like this past FIA scrupple's of recent years happening's to say............."the other teams have caught up to Red Bull" coming out of the FIA's mouth's. If only to attract a larger audience and more interest for the remainder of the year..........in a year that has turned many fans off.

[seewood]

Gawd, what am I doing up this time of night...
I want to see if RedBull were sandbagging last race, suspect so,
Qualifying for Japan Gp at 11

[lesliepaul]

Gawd, what am I doing up this time of night...
I want to see if RedBull were sandbagging last race, suspect so,
Qualifying for Japan Gp at 11

"what am I doing up this time of night...."????

...............been a night owl since I got my drivers license............in my not so long ago younger days the ACTION always started after 10 PM and into the wee hours. Probably watch a movie after qualifying is done tonight and the race tomorrow.

[seewood]

As many thought, Verstappen and Redbull were sandbagging in Singapore.
Max blew everyone away in qualifying, half second ahead?
Nice to see McLaren best of the rest.
Tomorrow, second will be the new first...

[lesliepaul]

As many thought, Verstappen and Redbull were sandbagging in Singapore.
Max blew everyone away in qualifying, half second ahead?
Nice to see McLaren best of the rest.
Tomorrow, second will be the new first...

..........I think the FIA are hiding something right now. The FIA AND F1 want the Las Vegas race to be something special and as things are going this year, the race will be a "DUD" ............maybe have Red Bull "throw" a few of the remaining races and make it look like they are struggling?

F1 Stewards again come forward and say THEY blew the THREE violations by Verstappen last weekend...........no grid penalties for at least two of the violations but a reprimand/warning (not that it would have made a difference in reality). With all of the MAJOR ruling ups by the FIA/F1 in the last 3 years............EVERY one of them resulted in an advantage to Red Bull..........then add in the rule/chassis change the FIA brought in for 2021 that WAS brought in to slow Mercedes down (fact).

[seewood]

Watching F1 is getting tedious.
Same winner,( another easy one) tire strategies and hoping for yellow or red flags to pit to gain an advantage. Not too much in real close passing.
Bummer about Perez but great to see Mclaren the best of the rest today.

[lesliepaul]

Watching F1 is getting tedious.
Same winner,( another easy one) tire strategies and hoping for yellow or red flags to pit to gain an advantage. Not too much in real close passing.
Bummer about Perez but great to see Mclaren the best of the rest today.

Even long-standing F1 fans are tiring of this garbage and are not stupid............YES Red Bull is the dominant car BUT not without the huge help from the FIA/F1. Say what you want about Mercedes dominance for almost 8 years, the fan base grew because there was competition over the years and within the Mercedes team. No matter what you read, F1 is hyping their product to the U.S. market and more for the corporate end than the fans end............this will eventually cost them their true F1 fan base. F1 interest in the U.S. will just die out eventually like a lousy country band.

This race yesterday was a "press the fast forward button" race..........the one DRS zone was too short so passing in this race was rare. Perez was struggling for whatever reason............AGAIN, being on a Red Bull team that has ALWAYS played favorites (until they don't) does not leave great memories............even for their winners. I do not see Perez at Red Bull next year...........regardless of his contract.