Carol Gran - Former Councilor not running

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jan1951 wrote:I have heard for many years how bad city council is, yet they get re-elected every year! Why is that, do not that many people actually vote?

Thats half the bloody problem! Voter apathy! A lot of people are just plain tired of voting because the same old bull just lands back in the ring.
It will be rich baby boomer types who will maintain the power quo. They are the only ones who can afford to throw their hats in the political ring. Till Joe Schmuck can actually afford to do the politiking, we will have to put up with the likes of old farts such as Gran,Given,Sgt Berry and old farts club.
This city council has itself so mired in mud of days gone by. It does not support any policy except ones dictated by the dollar and developer kick-backs.
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new in town wrote:
jan1951 wrote:Why is that, do not that many people actually vote?


Most of the population of Kelowna is too old to find their way to the poll station without escorted help.

:ohmygod:


Actually most of the older population find their way to the polling station quite easily. It seem to be the younger people (20-40ish) that can't seem to get there. When my husband and I go vote we are always the youngest there. I could just be the time we happen to go, but more people under 60 need to get out, get informed and vote.
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Politics. From the Latin "poli", meaning "many", and "tic", a blood-sucking parasite.
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like i said before we need to bring awareness to young people - you need to make it cool to vote or no one will!
they need to keep it simple and lay out the facts - which i know change easily but if youth don't know what they are voting for then why would they?!
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bamboo2 has the situation nailed. Voter apathy is more prevalent among the younger age groups, so unless a method is found to motivate that age group the fate of the city will always lie in older hands. And those hands have different priorities.
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It really does not matter WHO you Vote for...............



Watch all 10 series because this explains how our votes are accounted for.... unless you do.... talk is cheap!

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Carol Gran is not the real issue - the electoral system is. While members of Council can keep getting re-elected for ever it will be difficult to get new blood and keep people from becoming engaged in the process.

My suggestion is:
* maximum of two terms (6 years), including the Mayor
* stagger the terms initially so that at least half the Council turns over every election
* consider a partial ward system

But most of all - GET OUT & VOTE. You have no right to complain if you don't. Voting is an obligation, not a right.
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Yes, it is the the older population that get out and vote and not the younger people.

I watched a bit of City Clown Council on TV last night. :ohmygod: it was about as exciting as watching paint dry.

My suggestion is that a qualified slate of younger people ( 30 to 50 years old ) run a progressive campaign supporting each other as a group with their platform of how the city should be run. Perhaps appealing to the younger crowd will get them out to vote.

I wonder how many of the whiners and complainers here posting about how the city is run got out and voted last civic election? :rate3: maybe.
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Many councillors are very outdated... did you vote them in? I know I didn't. Please vote!
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BoyWondering wrote:Carol Gran is not the real issue - the electoral system is. While members of Council can keep getting re-elected for ever it will be difficult to get new blood and keep people from becoming engaged in the process.

My suggestion is:
* maximum of two terms (6 years), including the Mayor
* stagger the terms initially so that at least half the Council turns over every election
* consider a partial ward system

But most of all - GET OUT & VOTE. You have no right to complain if you don't. Voting is an obligation, not a right.


Totally disagree, when she tells businesses she wants to close them down early , doesn't matter for what reason,then she should go.That is a flaigrant abuse of power and she should be removed for it.
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Why stop with one of the councillors. A wholesale housecleaning is needed.
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It's a good thing she retired, because she would hate to see her name at the bottom of the council race, just like where all the current councillors are going to end up!! This group is just bizarre, right from the top down.
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John500 wrote:IMO the subject should have read, Do not re-elect Kelowna City Council. This town needs some major attractions. Not only for the tourists but for its inhabitants as well.


What, you mean like jobs, encouraging businesses to move here and stuff? Because that would be awesome.
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We the electorate, must listen very carefully to the candidates in this election. We must encourage our neighbours to vote and ensure we counter some of that seniors vote.
The current council must be replaced wholesale, these people are in fact living is some long ago
simpler time and the old folks like it that way. I am a grandfather, who is asking why is it that younger people assume we are all for seniors only? I think we must inject youth into the vision of this city, but we must also respect the roots of this community.
Personally, I believe we must stop being shocked by everything that happens, lighen up folks.
In my day, we had drinks out behing the dance hall on Friday and Saturday, we also had our drinks at the Drive Inn Theatres.
Every generation has had its party time, unless of course some of these seniors never really lived.
I had a hell of a good time and I see nothing wrong with letting the younger folks have their time in the sun

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