Alan Clarke - Independent

[Russell - Winfield]

Actually the Social Credit Party, were 100% Conservatives. W.A.C. Bennett was first elected as an INDEPENDENT Conservative, in the same riding as Kelowna Lake Country, were Alan Clarke is also running as an INDEPENDENT Conservative, its quite interesting that Alan's plan and vision on his website http://www.electclarke.ca mirrors W.A.C. Bennetts vision for a beautiful and prosperous British Columbia, that has been extinguished by both the BC Liberal and NDP, over the last 18 years of government.

Ibelieve if W.A.C. Bennett were still alive today, he would be very proud of Alan Clarke, rekindling the relighting the candle of W.A.C.Bennett's Conservative Legacy and Vision of a Beautiful and Prosperous British Columbia, for our children and their children again.

[NAB]

I continue to be at a loss as to how it can be asserted that "W.A.C. Bennett was first elected as an INDEPENDENT Conservative", how is it somehow relevant in this election anyway?

Was he not first elected in 1941 as the Conservative Party candidate for South Okanagan? To my understanding he was NEVER "elected" as an "Independent", ....Conservative or otherwise.

Nab

[Fancy]

1950 Session from 14 February to 30 March. Ran unsuccessfully as Conservative

leadership candidate on 6 October.

1951 Session from 20 February to 18 April. Crossed floor of House to become an

Independent Member on 15 March. Bill 108 regarding the Single Transferable

Ballot approved on 18 April. Esquimalt by-election on 1 October. Session

25 October to 27 October. Announced membership in Social Credit League

on 6 December.
http://www.sfu.ca/archives2/F-55/F-55.html
http://sunnyokanagan.com/wacbennett/

[NAB]

1950 Session from 14 February to 30 March. Ran unsuccessfully as Conservative

leadership candidate on 6 October.

1951 Session from 20 February to 18 April. Crossed floor of House to become an

Independent Member on 15 March. Bill 108 regarding the Single Transferable

Ballot approved on 18 April. Esquimalt by-election on 1 October. Session

25 October to 27 October. Announced membership in Social Credit League

on 6 December.
http://www.sfu.ca/archives2/F-55/F-55.html

Thanks Fancy. I did know that he left the Party to sit as an Independent briefly. Fact remains however he was never elected as an independent.

Nab

[Fancy]

Finding himself unable to reform either the Conservatives or the Coalition from within, he decided to leave the party. In 1951, in a bold and dramatic gesture, he "Crossed" the Floor of the House and sat as an independent Member of the Opposition. At the first possible moment, he returned to Kelowna and reported on his decision in two exciting meetings - there wasn't room for all the listeners in one setting!

When he decided to join the Social Credit Party, he again reported directly to the Okanagan electorate and when the Provincial Election of 1952 was called his new party ran a candidate in every constituency - for the first time

That's from the second link I posted Nabcom. Doesn't appear he was an independent member [of the opposition] for very long.

[NAB]

Finding himself unable to reform either the Conservatives or the Coalition from within, he decided to leave the party. In 1951, in a bold and dramatic gesture, he "Crossed" the Floor of the House and sat as an independent Member of the Opposition. At the first possible moment, he returned to Kelowna and reported on his decision in two exciting meetings - there wasn't room for all the listeners in one setting!

When he decided to join the Social Credit Party, he again reported directly to the Okanagan electorate and when the Provincial Election of 1952 was called his new party ran a candidate in every constituency - for the first time

That's from the second link I posted Nabcom. Doesn't appear he was an independent member [of the opposition] for very long.

That's my understanding too Fancy. He couldn't achieve what he wished to achieve as a member of the Conservative party (he wanted to lead it), and he knew he couldn't achieve anything sitting as an independent, so he found a new (and successful) home with the Socreds.

Nab

[Russell - Winfield]

The point I'm trying to make is that the Central Okanagan, is still Socred and Progressive Conservative territory, especially with all the Albertan's that have moved into the region in the last five years. Gordon Campbell is a Liberal, and has taken the Central Okanagan for granted way too long. He's in for a rough ride on May 12th, and doesn't realize it, he's so out of touch, that he's actually convinced himself that he is really popular here, when in fact, he's actually despised by the majority of the voting public. That being said, they will never vote NDP either, the mood in the community is anything other than Liberal or NDP. You do the math. For starters, this will probably result in a lower than normal voting turn out, which does not favour either the Liberals or the NDP.
Right now, the Voters see the Province as a have not Province, under both the Liberals and the NDP. The Voters are seeking an alternative, electing a small group of non-partisan INDEPENDENT candidates this election is a very good and well received viable option this time around. Someone or some small group of INDEPENDENTS to hold government to account, regardless of who forms government. A minority government, with fiscal prudent INDEPENDENTS holding the balance of power.

[GordonH]

Gordon Campbell is a Liberal

:coffeecanuck:

Try again.

[Russell - Winfield]

I'm very pleased that you recognize the "carbon tax" as a Liberal plank , both at the Provincial Liberal level, and at the Federal Liberal level. A Liberal is a Liberal. A Conservative is a Conservative. Their's no middle of the road here. Liberal's support Carbon Taxation, Conservatives Do Not.

Campbell is a Liberal

Ignatiaff is a Liberal

Harper is a Conservative

Clarke is a Conservative.

[NAB]

Ah, the world should be as black and white, instead of all the shades of grey it really is - making all the old political labels meaningless in modern politics.

Nab

[Phoenix Within]

Clarke is a Conservative.

I thought you were babbling he was an Independent?

[Fancy]

Maybe Russell should be running...

[Phoenix Within]

maybe, he seems to more about the political setup than his candidate does.

[Mr Danksworth]

Clarke is a Conservative.

I thought you were babbling he was an Independent?

Nope, he's a true conservative(TM). More conservative than those other wussy conservatives. So conservative that the conservatives don't want him.

[steven lloyd]

Their's no middle of the road here. Liberal's support Carbon Taxation, Conservatives Do Not. Campbell is a Liberal.

Liberals also recognize our capitalist system, while a great system in principle, is inherently flawed in creating systemic inequality. A Liberal government, founded on the ideological principles of Liberalism, would support efforts to redress those inequalities – not make welfare harder to get and arbitrarily kick thousands out on to the streets. Liberals would not close couthouses, reduce funding the Corrections, Crown and Court staff, and then cut thousands of people off welfare to live on the streets. In fact, I don’t even think an extremist Conservative would be as stupid to do that. But then this Liberal government believes this electorate is completely gullible, and why wouldn't they? We're going to re-elect them again.

A Liberal government, founded on the ideological principles of Liberalism, believes in a certain amount of public ownership and control over public resources, and in the idea private corporations have social responsibility. I fail completely to see (as I’m sure many here do) how Gordon Campbell could be defined as a Liberal because he supports one issue you say does not make him a conservative. Bottom line is he supports a tax that will be felt less by the wealthiest and corporations in BC while hardest hitting the low and middle income people and rural BC. Whatever Campbell is (besides an ideological megomaniac), he is not a Liberal in the true meaning of the word. He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, and the ordinary people of this province are the sheep.

By the way, Ignatiaff, who you recognize is a Liberal does not support a carbon tax.

Ah, the world should be as black and white, instead of all the shades of grey it really is - making all the old political labels meaningless in modern politics. Nab

Agreed. Maybe then the sheeple wouldn’t be so easily fooled.