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I cannot believe that all this money is going into the Olympics when we need a major improvement and overhaul in our HEALTH care in BC. :ohmygod:
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Health care spending was increased by close to $ 1 BILLION this year alone. Problem is even when you increase spending by $ 1 BILLION a year you still end up with cuts because the funding increases cannot keep up with the increases in spending.

The fact that we cannot afford to increase spending by $ 1 BILLION a year is an entirely different argument all together.
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grizz wrote:I cannot believe that all this money is going into the Olympics when we need a major improvement and overhaul in our HEALTH care in BC. :ohmygod:


ok - so where would you have spent the money in the health care system? I hear a lot of "we need to spend more money on health care" but then get blank stares when I ask the "experts" making these statements what the money should be spent on. I am all ears - where should the money be spent?
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Liberty and Truth wrote:
grizz wrote:I cannot believe that all this money is going into the Olympics when we need a major improvement and overhaul in our HEALTH care in BC. :ohmygod:


ok - so where would you have spent the money in the health care system? I hear a lot of "we need to spend more money on health care" but then get blank stares when I ask the "experts" making these statements what the money should be spent on. I am all ears - where should the money be spent?


The money should be spent in private clinics that can provide MRI services and hip replacement surgeries. That way the size of the waiting lists will be reduced and people will not need to wait as along.

You could of course try and do the same thing in the public health system where a good chunk of the money would quickly end up getting eaten away by administration expenses, expensive Union paid cleaning, maintenance, scheduling and technical staff and bickering doctors who are all competing for more OR time.
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Al Czervic wrote:
Liberty and Truth wrote:
grizz wrote:I cannot believe that all this money is going into the Olympics when we need a major improvement and overhaul in our HEALTH care in BC. :ohmygod:


ok - so where would you have spent the money in the health care system? I hear a lot of "we need to spend more money on health care" but then get blank stares when I ask the "experts" making these statements what the money should be spent on. I am all ears - where should the money be spent?


The money should be spent in private clinics that can provide MRI services and hip replacement surgeries. That way the size of the waiting lists will be reduced and people will not need to wait as along.

You could of course try and do the same thing in the public health system where a good chunk of the money would quickly end up getting eaten away by administration expenses, expensive Union paid cleaning, maintenance, scheduling and technical staff and bickering doctors who are all competing for more OR time.


I think the money should be spent with prevention in mind...studies show obesity, type 2 diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, cancer, Alzhiemer, etc are increasing. Healthy lifestyles should be a critical component to the public healthcare funding!

Physical education in schools has been whittled down to being almost non-existent. This generation is the first to have its life expectancy to decrease! A large part of our society's diet includes fast foods, convenience foods, junk food etc, etc. Has anyone looked at the sodium levels in some of these so-called healthy convenient foods? The highest I've seen in the "healthy alternatives" is 55%!.

The government should have strict healthy food standards for "convenience" foods,they should tax the crap out of all fast/junk foods, and fine any company that does not comply. All moneys derived from this should be directed strictly towards health and fitness programs; instead of Universal Interventative Health Care it should be viewed as Universal Preventative Health Priority.

As it stands now, health in general is on a crash course regardless of what side of the border you live. I suppose if privatization occured the rich would get quicker treatment; but if a rich person/child is obese and has cancer does being "able to pay" mean anything compared to a person's quality of life?
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coffeeFreak wrote:
I think the money should be spent with prevention in mind...studies show obesity, type 2 diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, cancer, Alzhiemer, etc are increasing. Healthy lifestyles should be a critical component to the public healthcare funding!

Physical education in schools has been whittled down to being almost non-existent. This generation is the first to have its life expectancy to decrease! A large part of our society's diet includes fast foods, convenience foods, junk food etc, etc. Has anyone looked at the sodium levels in some of these so-called healthy convenient foods? The highest I've seen in the "healthy alternatives" is 55%!.

The government should have strict healthy food standards for "convenience" foods,they should tax the crap out of all fast/junk foods, and fine any company that does not comply. All moneys derived from this should be directed strictly towards health and fitness programs; instead of Universal Interventative Health Care it should be viewed as Universal Preventative Health Priority.

As it stands now, health in general is on a crash course regardless of what side of the border you live. I suppose if privatization occured the rich would get quicker treatment; but if a rich person/child is obese and has cancer does being "able to pay" mean anything compared to a person's quality of life?


Those are good points. I often wonder how well ICBC would work if drivers who caused more accidents didn’t pay anymore in premiums. Something tells me the rest of us would all end up paying a fair amount more as a result.

It’s kind of like Healthcare only the opposite. The person who chooses not to exercise and eat at McDonald’s several times a week pays the exact same as the person who makes a point of exercising and eating healthy. You can use you own money to poison your body with cigarette’s and booze but it is illegal to use your own money to pay for your own healthcare. How screwy it that ?

A Private MRI can cost as little as $ 700 but apparently only “rich” people can afford that and yet even poor people find a way to pay that kind of money to ICBC every year. Even owning a cell phone will likely cost you more money over 12 months than that. There is basically zero incentive or accountability in our health care system and we wonder why it does not work?
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accountability and "government run service" do not go together. It's like matter and Anti-matter.
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Liberty and Truth wrote:accountability and "government run service" do not go together. It's like matter and Anti-matter.


Oh goodie. Another “Olympics” thread.


Intelligent insight / commentary and dependence on ideological rhetoric do not go together.
It’s like matter and anti-matter.

While accountability in government is not something that exists now, it has before and could again - once the sheeple decide to become less complacent and demand change (but then, that's what the protestors are saying - oops)


p.s. speaking about people not working, for a ‘working” guy you sure do find a lot of time to spend on these boards ben. I had almost forgotten how comparatively slack it was to be employed in the private sector. Oh well, time for a quick bite and back to the office.
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steven lloyd wrote:
- once the sheeple decide to become less complacent and demand change (but then, that's what the protestors are saying - oops)

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I suppose if they had a legitimate choice they might. However when you only have two items on the menu and one of the is hopelessly incompetent and offers no ideas or solutions you end up with the only other choice on the menu, even if it does want to make you vomit.
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steven lloyd wrote:
Liberty and Truth wrote:accountability and "government run service" do not go together. It's like matter and Anti-matter.


Oh goodie. Another “Olympics” thread.


Intelligent insight / commentary and dependence on ideological rhetoric do not go together.
It’s like matter and anti-matter.

While accountability in government is not something that exists now, it has before and could again - once the sheeple decide to become less complacent and demand change (but then, that's what the protestors are saying - oops)


p.s. speaking about people not working, for a ‘working” guy you sure do find a lot of time to spend on these boards ben. I had almost forgotten how comparatively slack it was to be employed in the private sector. Oh well, time for a quick bite and back to the office.


Thanks for the personal insult SL - real big of you. What's your issue anyway? Why pick on me?
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Liberty and Truth wrote: Thanks for the personal insult SL - real big of you. What's your issue anyway? Why pick on me?


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Wow, this is about the 7th thread about the Olmpics. Try reading the board for even 2 minutes before you create another thread that has obviously been discussed before.
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fvkasm2x wrote:Wow, this is about the 7th thread about the Olmpics. Try reading the board for even 2 minutes before you create another thread that has obviously been discussed before.


... and is still being discussed on every one.
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Liberty and Truth wrote:accountability and "government run service" do not go together. It's like matter and Anti-matter.

...or liberty and truth...
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...or like Anti Olympic protesters and Anti anti Olympic protesters.
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