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nolanrh wrote:Because it illustrates exactly what this poster is about. The elder generations will vote in their best interests. The younger generations' best interests may not align with the elder generations'. Therefore, they should vote, or their interests will be unrepresented, because the elder generation WILL vote.


And what do you perceive the interests of the younger generation to be, Nolan? How would they differ from what the older generation would vote for?

I have always supported the concept that ALL people who are eligible to vote SHOULD vote. I would even support mandatory voting. It is totally beyond me why anyone would not vote.

But I still don't support messages that put down anyone and this one does. There are better ways to get the message across.
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nolanrh wrote:Because it illustrates exactly what this poster is about. The elder generations will vote in their best interests. The younger generations' best interests may not align with the elder generations'. The elder generation WILL vote. Therefore, the younger generations should vote or their interests will be unrepresented.


That's where I believe you are wrong nolan. The current elder generations are very used to sacrificing so that their children and grandchildren can have a better future than they did, and WILL vote accordingly. That that may in most cases NOT be for the NDP or the Liberals this time speaks loudly to their lack of selfishness.

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NAB wrote: That they often see it as a majority Conservative government at the present time is simply testimony to their comparative experience and vision compared to the younger set.


Wow! your arrogance is such an attractive quality....... :skippingsheep:

Perhaps it could attest to their limited vision and near obsolete experience compared to the younger set????(I am not saying that is so, just to illustrate the absurdity of NAB's comment)
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I guess when you start from the mindset that the young and inferior are challenging the experience and vision of the elder generation the poster could be read as threatening...

On the other hand, I say get everyone out representing their beliefs: young, old and those in between. I value the wisdom of the elder generation and appreciate the energy and enthusiasm of the youth. I am not opposed to seniors voting in their best interests any more than I am the youth voting in theirs.

The more opposing viewpoints, debate, and engagement this election cycles sees, the better for our democracy.
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Perhaps the issue here is that the younger voters would vote for the parties that promise the wealth of benefits to younger voters now ie more money for families, lower tuition, more public school programs, raising corporate taxes so individuals can pay less, etc.

Most older voters appear to support more fiscally responsible decisions that provide long-term benefits for the future generations as opposed to me, me, me social program voting which places the country deep in debt and hog-ties future generations' wages by having to pay back all the debt and cost of debt servicing.
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Corneliousrooster wrote:
NAB wrote: That they often see it as a majority Conservative government at the present time is simply testimony to their comparative experience and vision compared to the younger set.


Wow! your arrogance is such an attractive quality....... :skippingsheep:

Perhaps it could attest to their limited vision and near obsolete experience compared to the younger set????(I am not saying that is so, just to illustrate the absurdity of NAB's comment)


When people have to stoop to personal attacks Corny, that is usually an indication that their ability to discuss something rationally has been lost.

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grammafreddy wrote: but the inference is there that older people are not able to address the issues that younger people have and it also infers that older people are not capable to making decisions relevant to younger people.


That is how YOU read it - I do not read it the same at all. Perhaps it is not that older people ARE NOT able to address the issue that younger people have , but that older people have their own issues and perspective that differs from someone , lets say entering university. Both age groups have vastly different needs that they would like addressed and both would have very different priorities on those needs. As far as relevant decisions, I believe it has less to do with relevant decisions and more to do with best interests of a age segment.

Perhaps the poster instead infers to the young that if they don't vote, a lot of their issues (which are not the same issues of priority as the elderly) will continue to be ignored or unheard?

Perhaps it is the youth that should be insulted by the poster insinuating that they NEED their grandparents to choose their government?
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grammafreddy wrote:Perhaps the issue here is that the younger voters would vote for the parties that promise the wealth of benefits to younger voters now ie more money for families, lower tuition, more public school programs, raising corporate taxes so individuals can pay less, etc.

Most older voters appear to support more fiscally responsible decisions that provide long-term benefits for the future generations as opposed to me, me, me social program voting which places the country deep in debt and hog-ties future generations' wages by having to pay back all the debt and cost of debt servicing.


Hahaha. So now "younger voters" don't make the right decisions. Who is insulting now?
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NAB wrote:
Corneliousrooster wrote:
NAB wrote: That they often see it as a majority Conservative government at the present time is simply testimony to their comparative experience and vision compared to the younger set.


Wow! your arrogance is such an attractive quality....... :skippingsheep:

Perhaps it could attest to their limited vision and near obsolete experience compared to the younger set????(I am not saying that is so, just to illustrate the absurdity of NAB's comment)


When people have to stoop to personal attacks Corny, that is usually an indication that their ability to discuss something rationally has been lost.

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nolanrh wrote:
grammafreddy wrote:Perhaps the issue here is that the younger voters would vote for the parties that promise the wealth of benefits to younger voters now ie more money for families, lower tuition, more public school programs, raising corporate taxes so individuals can pay less, etc.

Most older voters appear to support more fiscally responsible decisions that provide long-term benefits for the future generations as opposed to me, me, me social program voting which places the country deep in debt and hog-ties future generations' wages by having to pay back all the debt and cost of debt servicing.


Hahaha. So now "younger voters" don't make the right decisions. Who is insulting now?


I didn't say that at all. I was merely trying to give YOU an out from my previous question to you by pointing out how the two age groups might vote and what impact each would have for the future.

I think it's hilarious that you would find that "insulting" when you did not find anything insulting in the OP poster but supported its message.
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nolanrh wrote:I guess when you start from the mindset that the young and inferior are challenging the experience and vision of the elder generation the poster could be read as threatening...

On the other hand, I say get everyone out representing their beliefs: young, old and those in between. I value the wisdom of the elder generation and appreciate the energy and enthusiasm of the youth. I am not opposed to seniors voting in their best interests any more than I am the youth voting in theirs.

The more opposing viewpoints, debate, and engagement this election cycles sees, the better for our democracy.



Good and reasonable post nolan, although I would have left out the word inferior and perhaps used inexperienced instead. Still, I would like to reinforce the notion that all generations tend to reach a point where they challenge their elders views, while still recognizing they have something to contribute. But when it reaches a point where that challenge smacks of a willingness to cast the elders out in an effort to increase benefits to themselves, then that is when a society starts to show its ugliest faces. We could learn a lot from First Nations and other cultures in that regard.

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I think this thread is case in point on the divide and perception difference between the young and old which perhaps is where the "feelings of insult" are stemming from.

I am in the middle and I don't see how either side could really get insulted by the poster or grannies comments (I think nolan read into it becasue from grannies posts it is pretty clear which way would be "right for her" therefore making the other choice by default "not right"
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Of the two voters you described in your post, which one would you say is making the "right" decision?
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nolanrh wrote:Of the two voters you described in your post, which one would you say is making the "right" decision?

Right decision for me? Or for our country?
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That question directed at Gramma, who claimed not to be saying younger voters vote wrong.

(Note: I am not THAT young, nor am I insulted.)
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