Interesting poster

[grammafreddy]

“Our young people must learn that all things work in harmony and that saving the environment is just one of them. Right now, they are NOT getting that message.”

I think that the young people today would say you are not getting the message.

OK - I'll bite. What is the message? And how will they pay for it??

[Urbane]

I don't like the poster at all because it sends out the wrong message. A positive message about getting young people involved in the voting process would be terrific but putting down older people is not the way to go. Politicians often use divisive tactics and that's bad enough but it's really disappointing to see a poster like this one come out from Elections Canada.

[daria]

Have we confirmed that this is an Elections Canada poster, and not simply one with that is informing people about the Elections Canada website?

I have searched the EC website and have yet to find the poster on the site.

[Urbane]

• Have we confirmed that this is an Elections Canada poster, and not simply one with that is informing people about the Elections Canada website?
  
  I have searched the EC website and have yet to find the poster on the site.

Doesn't the poster say to go to elections.ca? That's Elections Canada.

[Captain Awesome]

A positive message about getting young people involved in the voting process would be terrific but putting down older people is not the way to go.

This poster puts down older people?

Am I missing something?

[daria]

• Have we confirmed that this is an Elections Canada poster, and not simply one with that is informing people about the Elections Canada website?
  
  I have searched the EC website and have yet to find the poster on the site.

Doesn't the poster say to go to elections.ca? That's Elections Canada.

Not necessarily. The OP says he saw this on facebook, so the www.electionscanada.ca may have been added by the person who created the poster. Unless I see this poster on the EC website, I have no reason to believe that it is officially sanctioned by EC.

For example, I could create a poster that says derogatory things about Ignatieff and put Harper's website on the poster. That doesn't mean Harper sanctioned the poster.

[NAB]

• Have we confirmed that this is an Elections Canada poster, and not simply one with that is informing people about the Elections Canada website?
  
  I have searched the EC website and have yet to find the poster on the site.

Doesn't the poster say to go to elections.ca? That's Elections Canada.

I think we clarified early in the thread it was not put out by elections canada Urbane.

(Edit: Although I doubt they are above doing such a ridiculous thing ;-) )

Nab

[Urbane]

• Doesn't the poster say to go to elections.ca? That's Elections Canada.

  I think we clarified early in the thread it was not put out by elections canada Urbane.
  
  Nab

I stand corrected. I still don't like the poster though. If the poster talked about not letting other people decide for you that would be fine but specifically targeting grandparents is insulting.

[NAB]

Definitely.

Nab

[grammafreddy]

Just heard back from Elections Canada this afternoon (have been out most of the afternoon and evening so just checked my email) ...

Thank you for your e-mail and attaching the link. Elections Canada did not authorize this poster. We also do not use such a slogan in our material. Our material will also have our logo (though we have found forums where our logo was used without our consent).

We are searching for the souce of this poster but it may difficult to find.

Thank you for bringing it to our attention.

So that settles that question.

[steven lloyd]

p.s. you don't have to destroy industry or stop economic growth to protect the environment

Now there's an oxy whatzit! Scrap the laws that got rid of lead in paint, lead in gasoline. Proceed against NAFTA because the US wont buy Canadian asbestos, hurting Canadian jobs. Let BP blow up a platform & pollute the ocean large. All because the environmental laws are restricting our businesses.

:127:

[Tacklewasher]

Just heard back from Elections Canada this afternoon (have been out most of the afternoon and evening so just checked my email) ...

Thank you for your e-mail and attaching the link. Elections Canada did not authorize this poster. We also do not use such a slogan in our material. Our material will also have our logo (though we have found forums where our logo was used without our consent).

We are searching for the souce of this poster but it may difficult to find.

Thank you for bringing it to our attention.

So that settles that question.

Make sure you let them know I didn't make it... Do I have to rat out whose facebook page I saw it on?????

:skyisfalling: :skyisfalling: :skyisfalling:


j/k

[Ranger66]

"OK - I'll bite. What is the message? And how will they pay for it??"


They are asking people to stop and take a look what we have done.
They want jobs without turning half the province into a tailing pond.
They want to stop the senseless violence.
They want clean water.
The message is simple we all need to change or the end result will be back to the caves.
How will we pay for it? Let’s start with cutting out the Harper plan of paying $ 29 billion for 65 jets.

[I Think]

They are asking people to stop and take a look what we have done.

They want jobs without turning half the province into a tailing pond.
They want to stop the senseless violence.
They want clean water.
The message is simple we all need to change or the end result will be back to the caves.
How will we pay for it? Let’s start with cutting out the Harper plan of paying $ 29 billion for 65 jets.

Exactly, and well said!

[NAB]

In another thread some time ago, someone commented to the affect that we need to be able to maintain our standard of living without exploiting the world's resources.

For some reason that comment stuck in my head as highly representative of the turmoil and angst people, particularly modern younger people, must feel when trying to make some sense out of life and politics in Canada, indeed the world.

Society's "elders" (particularly "grandparents") of course are usually well experienced with actually living through times when the standard of living of most in their society was very modest and spartan compared to modern standards, hence their impact on the world's resources very minimal. The question is, what are the newer generations prepared to give up to save the worlds resources as most current seniors have, and do even moreso in retirement? Somehow they (younger generations)don't seem to understand the relationship or, if they do, are for the most part not prepared to make the sacrifices necessary. Nor even recognize the contrast between left wing and right wing ideals, and how each impacts standard of living and the world's resources. Recognizing of course that "money" (and related convenience and ever climbing debt, both as individuals and as a society) has generally become the world's primary resource for the "me" generations as a class - while virtually everything else is secondary to that pursuit.

Something else to think about... statistics indicate that a new born in Canada today will live approximately 15 years on average beyond current normal retirement age. But those approaching or newly in retirement now would be lucky to live an average of ten years after 65 - and that gradually reduces to about seven years for those who retired 5 - 10 years ago. Not as huge a drain on current resources as many seem to think, and even less on those still working and contributing who seem to think that they are going to be massively on the hook for support of our currently retiring or retired seniors.

Edit: The point being that, contrary to what that poster suggests, most grandparents (at least the ones who are elderly - and recognizing that a "grandparent" today could easily still be under 40 years of age) just smile and shake their heads at the suggestion they would, or even could, influence the attitudes common today among the younger generations.

Nab