Tired of being an "other"

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Tired of being an "other"

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Are you tired of being an "Other"?

Are you tired of the "Privileged" few getting the best of everything while all of us "others" are expected just to be quiet and take it? There is no better example of this than the heavily publicized, upcoming Kelowna Daily Courier sponsored, Mayoral debate where only the 2 Privileged Candidates have been invited to participate and all 5 of the "other" legitimate, and nominated candidates, have been deemed not acceptable.

This is a direct blow to our Democratic system. The whole purpose of an Election is to have a fair and open debate among all candidates, not just the privileged few.

As one of the "Other" candidates for Mayor in this election I have found that this situation, and "others" like it to be completely unacceptable. The people of Kelowna, and everywhere else for that matter, have the democratic right to hear the views and to hear the answers, from all legitimate candidates in an election, not just the "Privileged" few.

Enough is enough

Cal Condy

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Re: Tired of being an "other"

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is irked?

I can understand, being one of the "others". Just keep doing your thing, reaching folks however you may.
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Re: Tired of being an "other"

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Cal,

It appears there are plenty of forums at which all 5 (after 2 withdrawals) candidates will be able to present their platform and field questions.

Each organization hosting an event related to the election (other than the City of Kelowna itself) has the right to position it as a debate, a forum, a Q&A session - whatever they please. They are private organizations. They have the absolute right to invite who they choose. The invitees have the absolute right to choose whether to attend or not.

Just because you are running for Mayor does not mean that every time another candidate gets to speak, you do too. This isn't kindergarten.

Here is a link to the election results the last time Ms Shepherd & Mr Gray ran against each other and 3 'others'.

http://www.city.kelowna.bc.ca/iElections/Scripts/election2005_all_stations.htm

97.8% voted for one of the two of them. It was a two horse race. It was always going to be.

Mr UITVLUGT, Ms OUELLETTE & Mr MAY took 2.2% of the vote. Yet at forums they took 60% of the time. Between them they took up hundreds, if not thousands of hours of peoples time at forums, when the vast majority of those people wanted to hear more from Ms Shepherd & Mr Gray.

An example was the Kelowna Chamber Luncheon - Mayoral Forum. A room full of 200+ busy working people being forced to listen to a no-hope candidate (Mr UITVLUGT) present his wonderful solution to homelessness and drug addiction - let the homeless live at the dump and scavenge and lets pay the drug addicted in crack, meth and smack to remove graffiti and litter from around our city. It was bordering on farcical.

Much as I respect your work with Operation Homeless, the brutal, honest truth - in my opinion - is that you are not a qualified candidate for Mayor of The City of Kelowna. Being a good, well-meaning person, which I am sure you are, is not enough. A City of the size, stature and potential of Kelowna needs more than that - it needs serious political, business and leadership experience - from council, but especially from the Mayor. A $100 million budget needs to be managed. Decisions need to be taken that effect the lives of hundreds of thousands of people - not just those that live within the City of Kelowna, but those that live in surrounding communities and their families.

Personally, I applaud the Kelowna Daily Courier's decision to provide the electorate with one focused forum where our current Mayor may actually have to defend her record against some serious scrutiny.

People will vote on the Daily Courier's decision with their feet. Maybe I will be the only one in the audience on November 7th. But I doubt it.

Regards,

Richard Taylor. (Twitter : @rtaylor).
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Re: Tired of being an "other"

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Nice post RichardTaylor,

Cal,

From what I heard of your performance at the 'all candidates' forum at Habitat last night, you really didn't say much (in regards to your platform anyway). Now granted, you are a new candidate and maybe you didn't have a whole lot of notice but you should at least be able to explain the jist of your platform in 60 seconds. I think this is critical before you demand access to additional election events.
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Re: Tired of being an "other"

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Cal

You are doing your self no good arguing with posters and complaining about other candidates.

Focus those energies on stealing the thunder of Walter Gray. He is your competition, and if you and he split the vote, your both done. Should not be to hard. Walter talks and talks and talks, but if you listen, he never actually makes a point, or sense for that matter, just rambles on.
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Re: Tired of being an "other"

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thehansenbrothers wrote:Cal

You are doing your self no good arguing with posters and complaining about other candidates.

Focus those energies on stealing the thunder of Walter Gray. He is your competition, and if you and he split the vote, your both done. Should not be to hard. Walter talks and talks and talks, but if you listen, he never actually makes a point, or sense for that matter, just rambles on.


So true. Mr Gray doesn't need to go to any debates, he can just send an audio clip of him saying "I stand by my record" that they can play in response to every question.
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Re: Tired of being an "other"

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Menche, Mrs. Shepherd does nothing but "inflate" her record also. It's becoming boooorrrring!! "I have done ----- (ten thousand) things." It's almost embarassing to read what she writes or posts about what "she?" has done?. Always takes a "team" to accomplish anything. She wants it both ways - "I didn't vote for such and such and I am just ONE vote, but then anything that's been done or perceived to be done, she has in her lists, to be the receiver of all the praise???? Very frustrating to think that people will buy this krap! SO the list is so over inflated that it is hard to take. Walter, on the other hand, does have some real accomplishments to speak about. We are very grateful and very thankful that he has a principle. He stands up for something and he does not back down from pressure. He is not afraid to confront the useless, non-elected, human rights commission. They are nothing and they mean nothing. We will not forget his courage for that. Ms. Shepherd will bow to anything and everything. It is awful. Walter Gray is NOT bad because he took a stand. In fact the opposite. That was and is so refreshing and something for a city to be proud of. The dumb (donkys if you know what I mean) keep repeating the same mistakes and they ARE mistakes. Get something new. This city very much needs CHANGE!! You want to keep listening to the same voice and phrases??? I sure hope not. :spinball: :skyisfalling:
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Re: Tired of being an "other"

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richardtaylor1973 wrote:Cal,

It appears there are plenty of forums at which all 5 (after 2 withdrawals) candidates will be able to present their platform and field questions.

Each organization hosting an event related to the election (other than the City of Kelowna itself) has the right to position it as a debate, a forum, a Q&A session - whatever they please. They are private organizations. They have the absolute right to invite who they choose. The invitees have the absolute right to choose whether to attend or not.

Just because you are running for Mayor does not mean that every time another candidate gets to speak, you do too. This isn't kindergarten.

Here is a link to the election results the last time Ms Shepherd & Mr Gray ran against each other and 3 'others'.

http://www.city.kelowna.bc.ca/iElections/Scripts/election2005_all_stations.htm

97.8% voted for one of the two of them. It was a two horse race. It was always going to be.

Mr UITVLUGT, Ms OUELLETTE & Mr MAY took 2.2% of the vote. Yet at forums they took 60% of the time. Between them they took up hundreds, if not thousands of hours of peoples time at forums, when the vast majority of those people wanted to hear more from Ms Shepherd & Mr Gray.

An example was the Kelowna Chamber Luncheon - Mayoral Forum. A room full of 200+ busy working people being forced to listen to a no-hope candidate (Mr UITVLUGT) present his wonderful solution to homelessness and drug addiction - let the homeless live at the dump and scavenge and lets pay the drug addicted in crack, meth and smack to remove graffiti and litter from around our city. It was bordering on farcical.

Much as I respect your work with Operation Homeless, the brutal, honest truth - in my opinion - is that you are not a qualified candidate for Mayor of The City of Kelowna. Being a good, well-meaning person, which I am sure you are, is not enough. A City of the size, stature and potential of Kelowna needs more than that - it needs serious political, business and leadership experience - from council, but especially from the Mayor. A $100 million budget needs to be managed. Decisions need to be taken that effect the lives of hundreds of thousands of people - not just those that live within the City of Kelowna, but those that live in surrounding communities and their families.

Personally, I applaud the Kelowna Daily Courier's decision to provide the electorate with one focused forum where our current Mayor may actually have to defend her record against some serious scrutiny.

People will vote on the Daily Courier's decision with their feet. Maybe I will be the only one in the audience on November 7th. But I doubt it.

Regards,

Richard Taylor. (Twitter : @rtaylor).



On my suggestion, The Daily courier has changed their on line opinion poll to include the "others.

I will be suggesting they Change their Mayoral debate to include the "Others" as well.

I think Kelowna is tired of being told they only have two qualified candidates for Mayor. I think Kelowna is tired of being given a whole slew of excuses why simple basic things aren't getting done. Mr Gray is not the current Mayor because he "didn't think he had to try" to get Re-elected in 2005, so he didn't try. In my opinion, you don't try to do things besause you have to, you try to do things because you want to. There's a big difference. Ms Shepard doesn't believe she can get things done, so she doesn't. Go ask the Residents around the KGH who have been beseeching City hall for years to help them with their neighborhood parking issues. These people are living in hell, and City Hall won't even enforce the Parking regulations. There are not even outside ashtrays for patients to throw their cigarette butts so the smokers just throw their butts on the residents lawns. Apparently there is some kind of meeting set up at some point to talk about it though.

Kelowna has not had a viable, experienced option running for Mayor in many years Richard, now they do.

I believe I can do a better job, and I believe I will see you at the debate.

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Re: Tired of being an "other"

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dieselDaryl wrote:Nice post RichardTaylor,

Cal,

From what I heard of your performance at the 'all candidates' forum at Habitat last night, you really didn't say much (in regards to your platform anyway). Now granted, you are a new candidate and maybe you didn't have a whole lot of notice but you should at least be able to explain the jist of your platform in 60 seconds. I think this is critical before you demand access to additional election events.


Diesel,

If you read the review on the Debate on Castanet yesterday, I was the only one quoted as having an actual solution to a problem. If you had listened to my Platform, you would also have noticed it involved solving a problem. It's one thing to talk about problems and it's another to solve them.

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Re: Tired of being an "other"

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Cal,
Become a bit more flamboyent at the candidates meetings. Do your homework, hit the "establishment, Sharon and Walt" with facts. And propose your changes and views that are popular with the elctorate. And dont be afraid to "wrestle" as they will do same if they find you are becoming a thread.
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Re: Tired of being an "other"

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3 B's wrote:Menche, Mrs. Shepherd does nothing but "inflate" her record also. It's becoming boooorrrring!! "I have done ----- (ten thousand) things." It's almost embarassing to read what she writes or posts about what "she?" has done?. Always takes a "team" to accomplish anything. She wants it both ways - "I didn't vote for such and such and I am just ONE vote, but then anything that's been done or perceived to be done, she has in her lists, to be the receiver of all the praise???? Very frustrating to think that people will buy this krap! SO the list is so over inflated that it is hard to take. Walter, on the other hand, does have some real accomplishments to speak about. We are very grateful and very thankful that he has a principle. He stands up for something and he does not back down from pressure. He is not afraid to confront the useless, non-elected, human rights commission. They are nothing and they mean nothing. We will not forget his courage for that. Ms. Shepherd will bow to anything and everything. It is awful. Walter Gray is NOT bad because he took a stand. In fact the opposite. That was and is so refreshing and something for a city to be proud of. The dumb (donkys if you know what I mean) keep repeating the same mistakes and they ARE mistakes. Get something new. This city very much needs CHANGE!! You want to keep listening to the same voice and phrases??? I sure hope not. :spinball: :skyisfalling:


Where's the problem solvers around here? These guys just seem to be a lot of talk about the problems, but helpless when it comes to solving them. The whole thing's kinda sad. Everbody's got excuses.Where's the solutions? Where's the action? Talk is cheap, solutions and action are important.
For 27 years I've solving problems and many of them have been far harder than these ones.

Cal Condy
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Re: Tired of being an "other"

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John500 wrote:Cal,
Become a bit more flamboyent at the candidates meetings. Do your homework, hit the "establishment, Sharon and Walt" with facts. And propose your changes and views that are popular with the elctorate. And dont be afraid to "wrestle" as they will do same if they find you are becoming a thread.

Thanks John, it's coming, heck...I'm just getting warmed up!

Keep those suggestions coming,

Best Regards,

Cal
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Re: Tired of being an "other"

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Cal

Your fingers on keyboard at home will not win your election. Your voice on the street will.

Your losing my vote rapidly. Go get the other "2" in public
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Re: Tired of being an "other"

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calcondy wrote:Are you tired of being an "Other"?

Are you tired of the "Privileged" few getting the best of everything while all of us "others" are expected just to be quiet and take it? There is no better example of this than the heavily publicized, upcoming Kelowna Daily Courier sponsored, Mayoral debate where only the 2 Privileged Candidates have been invited to participate and all 5 of the "other" legitimate, and nominated candidates, have been deemed not acceptable.

This is a direct blow to our Democratic system. The whole purpose of an Election is to have a fair and open debate among all candidates, not just the privileged few.

As one of the "Other" candidates for Mayor in this election I have found that this situation, and "others" like it to be completely unacceptable. The people of Kelowna, and everywhere else for that matter, have the democratic right to hear the views and to hear the answers, from all legitimate candidates in an election, not just the "Privileged" few.

Enough is enough

Cal Condy

"Other" Mayoral Candidate



Sorry Cal, but I have read your posts, heard you at the Habitat, and now read this . . . and IMO you're not mayor material. Councilor at best, mayor, can't give you my vote. FYI I support Shepherd for mayor and will be doing so again November 19.
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Re: Tired of being an "other"

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It's too bad you started to come off as such a flake. I'm not altogether happy with the two front-runners (prefer Gray over Shepard) and was hoping for someone to step up.

It hasn't been you and whining and pointing fingers at everyone else is not helping your cause.

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