Time is running out, do you know who you're voting for?

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RichardWede wrote:I won't be voting for some leftist anti-HST organizer who helped to do the single most detrimental thing to the economy of British Columbia since the NDP were in power. When someone is pushing their own political agenda ahead of the good of the economy and to the detriment of low income families and seniors, they deserve to be at the bottom of the pile. I would not trust this person to look after my tax dollars when he was part of a $3 billion kick in the groin to the BC taxpayers.

I will not, therefore, be voting for Dan Thorburn.

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Richard Wede


Just shows how much you really know... You have every right to be an HST supporter, I for one believe one tax is more feasable then having two... But I also know that the way the HST tax was implemented was not only not fair, but somewhat fascist. People did not have a choice in the matter and that is not what DEMOCRACY is about. What Dan Thorburn did was completley and utterly direct Democracy, it wasnt like he just decided that he didnt want the HST and it was gone, its was a provincial vote! Which means that the MAJGORITY of people in BC said "No, we dont want the HST". Yes he was the regional orginizer but he did not decide the outcome, mearly gave people a choice. Unfortunatly it sounds as if you make presumptions on someones title and not who and what they stand for. Also, I would like to see you back your statement "the single most detrimental thing to the economy of British Columbia " with some proof. It doesnt seem like that on this side of the rainbow.

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RichardWede wrote:I've been impressed with his presentation and pose on here. And his background as a CA is indicative of good business sense and an understanding of fiscal prudence. I wish him well on election day.


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RichardWede wrote:...$3 billion kick in the groin to the BC taxpayers.


The $3 billion kick in the groin to BC taxpayers WAS the HST. Ottawa would be raking $2.8 billion from the pockets of BC consumers EVERY year for the rest of our lives.

I do believe that British Columbia should consolidate their sales taxes into a single harmonized tax, but I do not support that tax to be mandated and controlled by the federal government. I believe that BC should be responsible for direct taxation and should collect it's own sales tax. Once we have paid for our own services (Health Care, Education, Transit) then we can pay the federal government the 5% GST.

FOR MORE INFORMATION ON MY OPINION OF THE HST AND THE CONFUSION AROUND IT, READ MY BLOG:

http://www.danthorburn.com/blog/hst-confusion

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Thanks for the great feedback!

http://www.danthorburn.com/blog/official-elect-dan-thorburn-campaign-video

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As a follow up to your defense of the HST here's a quote from a recent article on Business Canada:

The stunning jobless figure proves that Premier Dalton McGuinty's jobs strategy — which included imposing the HST and cutting corporate taxes — has been an "utter failure," she charged. "The HST hasn't brought jobs, across-the-board corporate tax giveaways aren't bringing jobs," Horwath said.

"That's why we think a more targeted approach is appropriate, where we're actually rewarding job creators with those tax credits." Horwath also noted that Manitoba managed to create 1,600 jobs while staying away from the HST and corporate tax cuts.


http://www.canadianbusiness.com/article/55497--minority-liberals-downplay-massive-job-losses-in-hard-hit-ontario

And so even the posterchild province that was used as the shining example upon which the Liberals insisted that BC must adopt the HST, in order to compete with the likes of Ontario, has now begun to realize that they too were hoodwinked and duped.

Almost every country that has implemented a (federally-mandated) HST / VAT has seen their tax rates skyrocket to over 20%, and in some cases 25% within a matter of years. What makes you believe that the (un)federal cronies of Canada would do anything different? I mean, HOW ELSE is Harper going to pay for his trillion dollar crime bill?????

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Not to mention a few fighter jets!
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:backtotopic:

I think it is important to look at the platforms, and make a list. I had a rather large list to start, and I've been crossing people off for one reason or other. New information, a stance I hadn't been aware of that I disagree with, etc. I have been emailing or messaging the hopefuls, and I am impressed with some of the responses. If a hopeful is too busy for me now, well, they'll be too busy for me later and off the list they go.

I know it takes some time, but we're putting the reigns of the city in the hands of those we elect, I think it will be worth it to know what we're getting into.
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Lady tehMa wrote::backtotopic:

I think it is important to look at the platforms, and make a list. I had a rather large list to start, and I've been crossing people off for one reason or other. New information, a stance I hadn't been aware of that I disagree with, etc. I have been emailing or messaging the hopefuls, and I am impressed with some of the responses. If a hopeful is too busy for me now, well, they'll be too busy for me later and off the list they go.

I know it takes some time, but we're putting the reigns of the city in the hands of those we elect, I think it will be worth it to know what we're getting into.


I agree with your logic. That's how I am viewing the "chicken question". If it is beneath them to answer it, then it tells me they have no interest in the average citizen. I also stroke off those who respond negatively for the same reason.

I also delete anyone who is religious and makes a point of letting people know they are. That says to me they will vote on issues according to their brainwashing. I don't want that. They are elected to represent ALL citizens, not just their church buddies.

I write off anyone who moans and whines about the dead CD21 issue or who has these big words to say about density downtown and how it will cure everything. It won't because density downtown isn't going to happen for many years. The economy is not right and the land masses needed for these high towers isn't available to the developers.
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I have dealt with Gail Given with school board issues and have always been impressed by her calm, intelligent and common sense approach to handling challenges. She is a smart woman and she has my vote, which is not determined by the 4change group. I also like Rob Mabey, who has a business background but also a holistic view. I think both are balanced and caring people who would serve our community well. I know Gail Given well enough to know that she is not easily influenced and takes the time to inform herself on issues, as well as listen to others' opinions. I wouldn't be concerned about her voting to please a particular community group, though I think she appreciates any and all support. There are a lot of good people running ... it's well worth it to look at their websites - these days, with technology, it's easy to bring yourself up to date on people's election platforms.
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dbthorburn wrote:Almost every country that has implemented a (federally-mandated) HST / VAT has seen their tax rates skyrocket to over 20%, and in some cases 25% within a matter of years. What makes you believe that the (un)federal cronies of Canada would do anything different? I mean, HOW ELSE is Harper going to pay for his trillion dollar crime bill?????

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Except in Canada, where the VAT GST has decreased from 7% to 5% (that's a 29% decrease) and in BC where the VAT HST was to decrease from 12% to 10% (that's a 17% decrease), but thanks to Dan Thorburn and crew, we in BC will continue to pay 12% GST/PST.

Comparing our tax rates to socialist countries like Greece and the mess they have is not drawing a reasonable parallel. Their spending policies are the culprit, not their taxation policies. The only VAT increase in Canada was in NS where the socialist NDP raised the rate to pay for their idiotic spending spree on, you guessed it, socialist policies.

Richard's point is very valid and demonstrates why Dan Thorburn will not be recommended by me or any of my associates as a viable candidate in this election. I do not believe he can be trusted to make reasonable choices with Kelowna's tax dollars when his activisim background illustrates what I believe to be a lack of knowledge and consideration of sound fiscal policy. We need candidates with the ability to bypass their political agendas and make the decisions that will manage the city's finances properly.
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dbthorburn wrote: I mean, HOW ELSE is Harper going to pay for his trillion dollar crime bill?????



You had already lost my vote - but with this brain-dead comment, you've garnered my active non-support. You have a lot to learn about being a politician, especially in this town. /facepalm #politicalsuicide
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Fisher-Dude wrote:Except in Canada, where the VAT GST has decreased from 7% to 5% (that's a 29% decrease) and in BC where the VAT HST was to decrease from 12% to 10% (that's a 17% decrease), but thanks to Dan Thorburn and crew, we in BC will continue to pay 12% GST/PST.


No, thanks to Dan Thorburn and crew we have proven to the rest of British Columbia that together with positive, collective actions, the people of our province can effectively mandate their own policies and legislation. If the province of BC wishes to implement a single, fair tax then I advocate that we should do so - with the full support of our province and it's electors.

I for one would support a single, harmonized sales tax as long as it is collected and controlled by our provincial government. I also support an OPEN dialogue on the issue, rather than having politicians campaign on a promise to NOT introduce a tax and then immediately after forming a majority government in Victoria, push the tax through without any oversight or input from the people.

Fisher-Dude wrote:Richard's point is very valid and demonstrates why Dan Thorburn will not be recommended by me or any of my associates as a viable candidate in this election. I do not believe he can be trusted to make reasonable choices with Kelowna's tax dollars when his activisim background illustrates what I believe to be a lack of knowledge and consideration of sound fiscal policy. We need candidates with the ability to bypass their political agendas and make the decisions that will manage the city's finances properly.


Again, no political agendas here other than to return the right of governance back to the people. I support Direct Democracy, not facism or party politics which survive solely on collusion, coercion and corruption. I believe that our system is flawed when only about 30% of our eligible voters actively participate in municipal, provincial and federal elections. I also believe that our current system to facilitate elections are costly, inefficient and not conducive to encouraging more voter participation. I support implementing an online, electronic direct voting mechanism at all levels of government to encourage the other 60% of voters to participate in their local, regional, provincial and national issues.

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#politicalsuicide indeed.
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Captain Awesome wrote:#politicalsuicide indeed.


Maybe what needs to change here is the type of politics that you seem to think I don't belong in. You advocate for politics to be run by politicians. I choose to put my trust in people instead; #political-reform, #political-reinvention or even better #political-recovery.

Politicians, like diapers, need to be changed very often - and for the same reasons.

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dbthorburn wrote: You advocate for politics to be run by politicians.


You got all this from "#Politicalsuicide indeed"?
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