Conflict of interest with Fire Dept?

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thefacts wrote:
Carmencat wrote:Again, the fact that Wally's supporters are making such a big deal about something that, if it had happened as they assert, wasn't even illegal in the first place, shows that they know Wally is going to lose to Sharon.

Again.

It also shows that they are used to dealing with slick operators like Wally, and assume that everyone else has hidden agendas and underhanded motives.

It says more about Wally (and his supporters) than it does about Sharon.



To quote castanet...

"Kelowna Professional Fire Fighters Association President, Larry Hillier, says his organization has attempted to contribute to Shepherd's campaign each of the last three elections only to have those cheques respectfully returned.

In this instance, retired fire fighter Harold Heyming, who is working on Shepherd's campaign chose to write a personal cheque in its place.

"We in turn refunded his efforts," says Hillier"

This is a interesting way of getting campaign donations..... retired fireman writes a cheque... fire department union refunds retired fireman... hmm... where did the money come from. The Fire Department Union... this is TAX PAYERS MONEY. The union also wrote cheques to Hodge and Rule for past efforts and support. Geeze.....
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thefacts wrote: where did the money come from. The Fire Department Union... this is TAX PAYERS MONEY. The union also wrote cheques to Hodge and Rule for past efforts and support. Geeze.....[/b]





Your assertion: The Fire Department donated funds. Since the Fire Department is funded with taxpayer's money, this is wrong.
Fact: The Kelowna Professional Firefighters Association donated funds. The association is *not* the Fire Department. It's membership pays dues, and those dues provide funds for the union. No taxpayer dollars were used in their attempt in providing a donation to Sharon's campaign.


You've got "thefacts" wrong. Care to try again?
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Currently in question is a $500 contribution to the Mayors campaign, something I would guess all candidates are receiving in one form or another from their supporters. Yes, we the Kelowna Professional Fire Fighters gave the Mayor $500 which was returned with a thank you. At this point, a retired member of our association donated $500 of his own money towards the campaign in which we in return refunded his efforts.

To me there is a larger issue at stake, Public Safety, and those who support it.

Sincerely,

Larry Hollier, President L953, Kelowna Professional Fire Fighters


Show me where it says the union refunded the retired firefighter's donation. He did not say that. Some may have interpreted it as that but that doesn't make it a fact. He said "we" which could also mean they individually from their own pockets refunded the retired man's donation.

I sure do wish the posters here would just stick to facts instead of dreaming up things, changing quotes, calling people names, deliberately spelling candidates names wrong and running off at the mouth in order to make someone look bad. I have never seen such a bunch of immature and unintelligent posters as the ones who have joined this site just to smear someone's campaign.

Someone asked, "What are you, 12?" and the really concerning thing is they might be adults, not 12 year old children. I find that downright scary.
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I don't mind that she got the money from the retired firefighter, union, whatever. It's their right to donate to whoever they want. What I don't like is her attitude towards receiving monies from certain groups and not others. Face it, whoever contributes will expect something in return. Isn't that what politics are all about.

Maybe all the candidates should declare their contributors list before election day. Then we will know exactly who is supporting who.
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OneAngryCitizen wrote:
Maybe all the candidates should declare their contributors list before election day. Then we will know exactly who is supporting who.

i agree, or declare them as they receive the money. again, the liberals need to change the local government act, they could do that, but of course wont!
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The firefighters have a legal right to do what they want with their own money. It is not "tax payers" money. It is their income and the tax payers have no claim to it in any way. How can anyone see it as tax payers money going to Sharon Shepherd? She isn't the only candidate running for city office that they have contributed to. They have even contributed the same amount to Zimmermann's campaign, and from what I understand, it isn't because they have any expectations of his support if he were to get elected.
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grammafreddy wrote:
Currently in question is a $500 contribution to the Mayors campaign, something I would guess all candidates are receiving in one form or another from their supporters. Yes, we the Kelowna Professional Fire Fighters gave the Mayor $500 which was returned with a thank you. At this point, a retired member of our association donated $500 of his own money towards the campaign in which we in return refunded his efforts.

To me there is a larger issue at stake, Public Safety, and those who support it.

Sincerely,

Larry Hollier, President L953, Kelowna Professional Fire Fighters


Show me where it says the union refunded the retired firefighter's donation. He did not say that. Some may have interpreted it as that but that doesn't make it a fact. He said "we" which could also mean they individually from their own pockets refunded the retired man's donation.

I sure do wish the posters here would just stick to facts instead of dreaming up things, changing quotes, calling people names, deliberately spelling candidates names wrong and running off at the mouth in order to make someone look bad. I have never seen such a bunch of immature and unintelligent posters as the ones who have joined this site just to smear someone's campaign.

Someone asked, "What are you, 12?" and the really concerning thing is they might be adults, not 12 year old children. I find that downright scary.



Pehaps Larry should re word his letter.. its a bit vauge I agree. I also listened to AM 1150 today as Sharon tryed to explain the issue and where the money came from... sure sounds to me like the Fire Department refunded the retired Fire guy. Pehaps Sharon could have been more clear on her response. Funny also that now the money has been returned to the retired guy as well.. wonder why. This issue smells....... and she was called out on it.
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thefacts wrote:Pehaps Larry should re word his letter.. its a bit vauge I agree. I also listened to AM 1150 today as Sharon tryed to explain the issue and where the money came from... sure sounds to me like the Fire Department refunded the retired Fire guy.


Larry Hollier was speaking on behalf of the Kelowna Professional Fire Fighters Association. You seem to have missed "thefact" that said organization is *not* the Kelowna Fire Department. It is a fraternal organization (which is what trade unions are) that is a distinct entity funded by fundraising and membership dues paid from their members' personal income. In the event that said organization actually was involved with the $500 in question (as opposed to individuals), who cares? Lots of unions and organizations make donations. I supposed you have the same issue with the likes of CUPE offering support, or even the FourChange group?

thefacts wrote:This issue smells


The only stench emanating from this issue is the near-slanderous posts of yours that have misinformation presented as fact, continuing even after you've been shown to be wrong.
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thefacts wrote:
Pehaps Larry should re word his letter..


thefacts wrote:Pehaps Sharon could have been more clear on her response.


Perhaps you should not have jumped to conclusions and put your own biased spin on things you read.
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grammafreddy wrote:
thefacts wrote:
Pehaps Larry should re word his letter..


thefacts wrote:Pehaps Sharon could have been more clear on her response.


Perhaps you should not have jumped to conclusions and put your own biased spin on things you read.


I see.. so I should trust that 36Drew's informaiton is better than mine?
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thefacts wrote:
grammafreddy wrote:
thefacts wrote:
Pehaps Larry should re word his letter..


thefacts wrote:Pehaps Sharon could have been more clear on her response.


Perhaps you should not have jumped to conclusions and put your own biased spin on things you read.


I see.. so I should trust that 36Drew's informaiton is better than mine?


I never said anything about 36Drew. Why would you jump to that conclusion?
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thefacts wrote:
grammafreddy wrote:
thefacts wrote:
Pehaps Larry should re word his letter..


thefacts wrote:Pehaps Sharon could have been more clear on her response.


Perhaps you should not have jumped to conclusions and put your own biased spin on things you read.


I see.. so I should trust that 36Drew's information is better than mine?


We could end this thread if Larry or Sharon confirmed in the letter or on the radio.. "this donation did not come from tax payers money!!" To date responses have been very vague and open to interpretation.
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thefacts wrote:We could end this thread if Larry or Sharon confirmed in the letter or on the radio.. "this donation did not come from tax payers money!!" To date responses have been very vague and open to interpretation.


You could take a moment to read, reflect and comprehend. I don't see why your lack of comprehension should require an effort on their behalf.

http://www.sharonshepherd.ca/uncategorized/open-letter-to-the-community-from-the-kelowna-professional-fire-fighters-association

That link takes you to Sharon's website, and contains the letter from Larry Hollier regarding the $500 donation. If you want to actually trust what I post (although you can verify for yourself), the title of that is:

Open Letter to the community from the Kelowna Professional Fire Fighters Association

I've taken the liberty of making the relevant bit of whom he is actually writing on behalf of.

I've done my bit. Now take a few minutes and actually provide some evidence to back up your claim. It's about the only chance you've got left to prove you're not a complete tool.
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thefacts wrote:
We could end this thread if Larry or Sharon confirmed in the letter or on the radio.. "this donation did not come from tax payers money!!" To date responses have been very vague and open to interpretation.


Or you could pick up the phone and call the fire hall and find out the real facts for yourself.
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What happened was all the Firefighters paid money to one retired firefighter. He then handed that one check to Sharon. It's common knowledge and we are all SHOCKED. it's a very sneaky pre-meditated shady move.

That's the REAL FACTS!!

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