The end of the Conservatives?

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Re: The end of the Conservatives?

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To Smoke ...

Since the NDP and Libs have been saying that the end of Canada is near for ten years now and Canada is still in the top three countries in the Western World, I personally do not put much faith in the ability of the NDP and Liberals to recognize reality nor to tell the truth about the Prime Minister.

I have to assume that it is their lack of knowledge about financial matters and bind crusade to "GET HARPER" that has caused them to be so misinformed about Canada's Financial situation.

IMO they are acting more like a fanatical religious sect prophesying the end of the world all the time. I wonder if Jim Jones and Koresh were NDP adherents before going completely insane and killing their followers ??
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IMO if the best that the NDP can come up with in the Kelowna area is an English Teacher whose only experience is that she used to be an advocate for Welfare I think that the Conservatives are going to be around for quite some while yet. She has absolutely no business nor financial experience.
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Donald G wrote:To Steven ...

The very positive financial reports written about Canada two years ago by the World and other Bank were written after eight years of Prime Minister Harper's Leadership. Are the NDP Socialists and Libs going to deny reality on that too, like they deny reality on so many other things ??

To Donny …

It is true positive financial reports written about Canada two years ago by the World and other Bank were written after eight years of Prime Minister Harper leading a minority government in Canada. However, the (uncomfortable for you) fact of the matter is that we can be very grateful the Conservatives inherited the banking system created by the previous Liberal government (again, this was the very same banking system Harper wanted to deregulate when he was in opposition), and only had minority control over our government. Just imagine if he had the power then as he does today to push such reckless ideologically driven policies through with no public scrutiny or debate. Our economy would have been just as devastated as the Americans. I know you want to deny this historical reality, just as you are so desperate to deny current realities.

And if you want to ignore eight recurring deficits and almost $200 billion added to our debt – something you partisan puppy dogs would be having an aneurism over if that had been the Liberals (who, interestingly enough, left Harper with a budget surplus – oops), you can continue to pretend he has held a steady hand on the wheel. The truth; however, is that while every other nation of the G7 nations are climbing out of that last global recession, Canada is the only nation of that group to be falling back into one. Harper’s “path” is an absolute failure that has already cost Canada enormous accumulation to our debt load, the loss of thousands of good paying jobs, lost economic opportunity and his “stay the course” plan leading to disaster a clear case where conservative ideological theory does not meet with real world reality.

I don’t know about the “NDP Socialists and Libs” denying reality, but it is clear you have buried yourself in a deep pool of doo doo denial. You are a conservative thinker by the very definition of the word – you are rigid and concrete in thought, and incapable of considering information that contradicts your preconceived notions. You must have a “special members” card.

If you really think you have an argument to support Harper’s economic plan for this country, you should contact Jo and volunteer to debate this issue in the jousting room.
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Donald G wrote:To Hurtlander ...

And what does the long winded article have to do with Prime Minister Harper ?? First, discribing her as a "leading advisor" is an absolute lie on your part.

Donald the title of this thread is "The end of the Conservatives".. The finance minister, Joe Oliver, a conservative,was appointed by Harper the leader of the conservatives, so yes this article has everything to do with yet another flaw in Harpers inability to appoint competent people to key positions..
Also, if you had actually read and comprehended the article you would have seen the part that said Oliver appointed MacDonald to his Economic Advisory Council last summer. So yes that does make her one of his key, or leading, advisors.

If wish to call me a liar when I clearly wasn't, put on your big girl panties and bring it to the bickering room..
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i think the cons need a reboot , so lets hope they fall by the wayside for few years . seems to have helped the libs so why not anyone else ?
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oneh2obabe wrote:Canada doesn't break the top 10.

http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

A terrible #6 rating.
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Hurtlander wrote:Give this a read and tell me where a controlled Canada is in the top three..
http://www.theodora.com/wfbcurrent/cana ... onomy.html

This information from the link above. (red highlighting mine)
NOTE: The information regarding Canada on this page is re-published from the 2015 World Fact Book of the United States Central Intelligence Agency. No claims are made regarding the accuracy of Canada Economy 2015 information contained here. All suggestions for corrections of any errors about Canada Economy 2015 should be addressed to the CIA.


This theodora website, a product of this reliable character . . . yep.

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unbiased2 wrote: http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

A terrible #6 rating.

While placing number 6 for “economic freedom” is certainly something we can feel good about, it would be highly biased and cherry picking at its best to suggest such a tenuous concept would be a complete endorsement of fiscal and/or economic management, and it does not explain eight recurring deficits, the loss of thousands of good paying jobs, almost $200 billion in extra accumulated debt and the fact Canada is the only nation of all the G7 nations to be heading into another recession

Economic freedom is a crucial component of liberty. It empowers people to work, produce, consume, own, trade, and invest according to their personal choices.
Canada’s economic freedom score is 79.1, making its economy the 6th freest in the 2015 Index. Its overall score is 1.1 points lower than last year, with modest improvements in monetary freedom and the control of government spending outweighed by declines in labor freedom and freedom from corruption. Canada continues to be the freest economy in the North America region.
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unbiased2 wrote:This theodora website, a product of this reliable character . . . yep.

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Can you further elaborate on your comment...
According to this
http://www.theodora.com/
The Theodora appears to be as accurate as anything else on the net. And as you proudly pointed out in red letters, any mistakes that may be in the article are due to miscalculations by the CIA...
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Hurtlander wrote:The bank of Canada reported is just another biased Harper controlled crown corporation spewing misinformation..


LOL. Oh my...
Justin Trudeau is an evil blight on this once great country. Shame on every single dumb-dumb that voted for this clown in 2021. LET'S GO BRANDON!!
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The Green Barbarian wrote:LOL. Oh my...

Yeah, I know....but the person I was trying to get a reaction from didn't clue in..
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Wha happened?
Seems like GB & donny are the only harperites left, what happened to the staunch supporters of the slime minister, have they been silenced by the "buck stops guy" same as scientists and bureaucrats?
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steven lloyd wrote:While placing number 6 for “economic freedom” is certainly something we can feel good about, it would be highly biased and cherry picking at its best to suggest such a tenuous concept would be a complete endorsement of fiscal and/or economic management

Biased? Where is the bias? This how others outside Canada also view Canada.
You don't know what metrics they used to arrive at their rating score a (ECONOMIC freedom score), and of course it applies to fiscal management. To cite it as a tenuous concept is just your opinion.

Now as for cherry picking, you did just that now didn't you. And of course you would highlight the negative and not the positive because it does not comport with your left-wing ideological sources.

So I will add what you conveniently left out. (bold highlighting mine)


Canada’s economic freedom score is 79.1, making its economy the 6th freest in the 2015 Index. Its overall score is 1.1 points lower than last year, with modest improvements in monetary freedom and the control of government spending outweighed by declines in labor freedom and freedom from corruption. Canada continues to be the freest economy in the North America region.

Over the past five years, Canada’s economic freedom score has declined by 1.7 points, highlighting a trend that has pushed the country into the “mostly free” category for the first time since 2007. Score declines have been spread over five of the 10 economic freedoms, with an increase in the level of perceived corruption contributing the most to the moderate slide in Canada’s score.

Nonetheless, Canada remains one of the world’s most stable business climates and an attractive investment destination. With the world’s second-best property rights regime buttressing openness to global commerce, Canada has a solid foundation of economic freedom. The financial sector is competitive, and its efficiency is supported by prudent lending practices and sound oversight.


the loss of thousands of good paying jobs, almost $200 billion in extra accumulated debt and the fact Canada is the only nation of all the G7 nations to be heading into another recession

To imply another party could\would have done better is speculation at best.

The 2008 recession was a terrible one. Canada was touted as doing a admiral job recovering from that recession and having the most prosperous middle class of the g7.
As for heading into another recession, (you cannot be in two recessions at the same time) that has yet to be determined. Canada is now a commodities based society, so we will naturally be hit harder than other countries when downturns arrive. Ontario which used to be the power house in manufacturing, is in the process of destroying what's little left of the manufacturing sector due to their own policies -- high electrical costs and provincial taxes, not by the federal gov't. unless we want to keep spending billions propping up failed private industries.

As for the almost $200 billion accumulated debt, yeah I don't like it. Compared to the U.S., not even close. A population of 350,000,000 with almost 10 trillion of new debt -- Canada 35,000,000 almost $200 billion.
I would say we've fared way better.
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identifing with the rightwing in northamerica is lining up with the likes of sarah palin , michelle bachman of the world . lol
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Re: The end of the Conservatives?

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Hurtlander wrote:http://www.theodora.com/
The Theodora appears to be as accurate as anything else on the net. And as you proudly pointed out in red letters, any mistakes that may be in the article are due to miscalculations by the CIA...


Let's do this again . . . from the original website you linked to not the one you link to above.
NOTE: The information regarding Canada on this page is re-published from the 2015 World Fact Book of the United States Central Intelligence Agency. No claims are made regarding the accuracy of Canada Economy 2015 information contained here. All suggestions for corrections of any errors about Canada Economy 2015 should be addressed to the CIA.


The Theodora appears to be as accurate as anything else on the net


So the author of this Theodora website makes no claims regarding the accuracy of his website as shown above, and yet you claim it appears to be as accurate as anything on the net.
The Bank of Canada website is on the net, yet you imply it is a unreliable source because of the current conservative gov't in power . . . either your just being disingenuous or stupid -- I'm being polite.

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