Strategic voting pitfalls

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Is anyone else surprised by this? Leadnow unmasked as just another arm of the NDP, wow never saw that coming. Apologies to Merry for not putting half of this article in big red bold letters, as apparently that's how you are supposed to cut and paste articles.

Leadnow accused of pro-NDP bias, conflict of interest

Organization defends its endorsement of Vancouver Granville candidate Mira Oreck


Leadnow, the highest-profile organization raising money and recruiting volunteers to encourage “strategic voting” aimed at defeating Prime Minister Stephen Harper, has been accused of a pro-NDP bias and an apparent conflict of interest.

That charge came after Leadnow endorsed on Thursday the NDP’s Mira Oreck over Liberal Jody Wilson-Raybould in Vancouver Granville, even though most current polling data suggests they are either in a statistical tie or that the Liberal has a clear lead.

The executive-director of Leadnow is Lyndsay Poaps, a Vancouver resident who is the founder of Frontrunner, a candidate school for young women. Oreck is a volunteer with that organization and the two are friends, Poaps confirmed in an interview.

One Vancouver Granville resident, who voted NDP in the 2011 election and plans to vote strategically for the Liberals on Monday, said Leadnow may be confusing voters due to an NDP bias.

The organization’s canvassers, who went to her door in August when the NDP had a big lead in B.C., said she was told residents should vote strategically to oust Harper and that Oreck was the best choice, according to Bernadine Bolton.

Now that momentum has switched to Justin Trudeau’s Liberals, she’s wondering if the endorsement of Oreck could confuse voters and split the anti-Harper vote.

“It makes me very concerned,” said Bolton, who wrote to the Elections Canada returning officer Thursday to register her concerns about fairness and the Poaps-Oreck connection.

“I just want things to be fair. This is a very important election for us. I want people to be informed, and there’s a lot of confusion out there.”

Bolton’s letter of complaint said Leadnow is purporting to be an “independent and non-partisan” organization trying to defeat Harper, yet is releasing information “that appears skewed in favour of the NDP candidate (who) may have strong ties to Leadnow.”

Another riding resident and a Liberal campaign volunteer, Dale Hunter, said in an email to The Sun: “None of this passes the sniff test.”

But Jean-Pierre Kingsley, Canada’s former chief electoral officer, said there’s no apparent violation as long as Leadnow, a registered third party in this campaign, stays within rules which, for instance, don’t allow per-riding spending in excess of $8,788.22.

Poaps, who said canvassers did not endorse candidates prior to the organization making an endorsement, rejected the notion her organization is showing favouritism.

She said that, based on their own recent poll showing Oreck and Wilson-Raybould are in a statistical tie, they left it to the 5,400 people who signed up with Leadnow to participate in strategic voting.

Roughly 2,000 responded to the email survey, with the overwhelming majority saying they believe Leadnow should endorse a candidate.

Of those who cast a vote, 61 per cent favoured Oreck and 39 per cent Wilson-Raybould.

The survey included the Liberal and NDP positions that Poaps said are important to her organization. That list noted that Trudeau has “ruled out working with the NDP and Greens” on a coalition or formal agreement to govern, whereas the NDP’s Mulcair has said he’s open to that idea.

It also said the Liberals have said they will “study” different electoral reform options, whereas the NDP has vowed to “pass proportional representation electoral reform.”


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logicalview wrote:Is anyone else surprised by this? Leadnow unmasked as just another arm of the NDP, wow never saw that coming. Apologies to Merry for not putting half of this article in big red bold letters, as apparently that's how you are supposed to cut and paste articles.

Leadnow accused of pro-NDP bias, conflict of interest

I just looked at their list, and I noticed two things right off the bat. First, they endorsed Lyin' Fin Donnelly, and 2nd, they have not release who to vote for in West Van and North Van, when we all know that the Liberals have a massive lead.
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Why the hell would any organization continue to support
the Liberal party that is NOT cooperating with them?

In fact the Liberals are actively campaigning in ridings
where they had agreed to support the second place NDP candidate.

They have assumed a majority, and laid on the patronage.

Monday just may be a surprise for them.
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Surprise George+ !!!! :)
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One thing for sure, we no longer can make fun of the Americans and Donald Trump, we have our own idiot in power now.
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rookie314 wrote:One thing for sure, we no longer can make fun of the Americans and Donald Trump, we have our own idiot in power now.


So, you're saying Stephen Harper was beaten to a pulp by a idiot?
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rookie314 wrote:One thing for sure, we no longer can make fun of the Americans and Donald Trump, we have our own idiot in power now.

lol our version of trump got booted out of power , whatch you talkin bout willis ?
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It looks like Albas will win a squeaker in Central Okanagan - Similkameen - Nicola and I wonder how many Liberal supporters took the faulty advice to vote NDP as part of the strategic voting campaign. I think back to the results of the study that I posted a few weeks ago that talked about strategic voting backfiring and it may have in this case.
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Strategic voting unseated Ron Cannan. Many voted Liberal that would have normally voted NDP based on the ABC movement.

Don't have to worry about that anymore. FPTP is on its way out now.
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Atomoa wrote:Don't have to worry about that anymore. FPTP is on its way out now.

Time will tell. Winning a strong majority because of FPTP could give the new Prime Minister a change of heart.
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Urbane wrote:It looks like Albas will win a squeaker in Central Okanagan - Similkameen - Nicola and I wonder how many Liberal supporters took the faulty advice to vote NDP as part of the strategic voting campaign. I think back to the results of the study that I posted a few weeks ago that talked about strategic voting backfiring and it may have in this case.

it worked on van isle.
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I wasn't going to vote at all because I hate the system & don't care for the choices available. But the day before I looked into vote swapping, and went for it. I voted Lib here for someone in Ontario, who voted NDP (best chance to beat the Cons there) and it worked out for both sides.

In essence, I hate the system & players, so I kinda cheated it so that a total idiot could get kicked out in favour of a goof.
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Woodenhead wrote: ..., so I kinda cheated it so that a total idiot could get kicked out .

and this morning the vast majority of your fellow Canadians thank you for doing your part.
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steven lloyd wrote:and this morning the vast majority of your fellow Canadians thank you for doing your part.


39.5% of them, anyway.
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In Kelowna Lake Country the NDP actually doubled their vote.

The Greens may have been part of the Liberal win.

But the vast majority were actuall deserting, former, Conservative voters.

Who'd have thunk?

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