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Re: Venezuela

Postby The Green Barbarian » Aug 29th, 2018, 9:49 am

Omnitheo wrote:Pro-tip. Socialism isn’t the cause of Venezuela’s problems.


Even pro-er tip. It's not the only cause, but it's the biggest one. Where is Naomi Klein?
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Re: Venezuela

Postby The Green Barbarian » Aug 29th, 2018, 9:57 am

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Where are these people now? Michael Moore - time to make a documentary on just what a fat idiot you are.
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Re: Venezuela

Postby Omnitheo » Aug 29th, 2018, 9:58 am

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Re: Venezuela

Postby The Green Barbarian » Aug 29th, 2018, 10:10 am

Leftist political commentators continue to be in denial about Venezuela.

On his show, Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, comedian John Oliver recently covered Venezuela’s current economic crisis.

Like any leftist analysis of Venezuela’s economic disaster, Oliver’s segment completely misses the mark.

To rationalize Venezuela’s catastrophic state, Oliver engaged in a series of mental gymnastics that could easily qualify him for the 2020 Olympics. This entire episode was an empty display of leftist journalism hiding behind the guise of comedy.

And, sadly, it was filled with many of the same excuses socialist apologists use to rationalize the failures of their nasty experiments.

Yet Again, We're Indulging in the "No True Scotsman" Fallacy

Starting at 2:46, Oliver asserts that there are “Plenty of socialist countries that look nothing like Venezuela.”

What countries is he actually be referring to?

North Korea and Cuba? Some of the most durable communist regimes in the modern era, and possible scenarios that Venezuela will face if it continues along this economically destructive path.

Or is he referring to the supposedly socialist Scandinavian countries? The same countries featuring mixed economies that originally became wealthy through capitalism before the welfare state came along.

Vague in details and actual research, Oliver starts off by avoiding any direct discussion of socialism’s horrid track record.

But that’s to be expected from leftist intellectuals that quickly dismisses any blatant case of socialist failure as “not true socialism”.

The No True Scotsman Fallacy has just entered the building.

The Mismanagement Cop-Out

In the same vein, Oliver downplays the Venezuelan crisis by claiming it’s not a question about socialism but rather a case of “epic mismanagement”.

A convenient excuse to explain away the natural consequences of central planning, Oliver fails to recognize that mismanagement is an inherent feature of socialism.

Venezuela’s notorious shortage crisis is the result of a country with no functioning market to freely determine prices. Oliver at least acknowledges the negative impact of price controls at 9:07, but he embellishes this with the claim that Venezuela’s price controls “were unrealistic”.

Basic economics demonstrates that price controls are unrealistic by default.

Under a free market, consumers and producers use prices as signals to determine how much of a product must be demanded or supplied.

However, when price controls enter the equation, the entire price system is thrown out of whack. Artificially low prices incentivize consumers to demand more of a good than producers are able to supply. When demand exceeds supply, shortages emerge.

Make no mistake it about it, price controls are part and parcel of the socialist system.

Economist Ludwig von Mises acknowledged this in his essay Middle-of-the-Road Policy Leads to Socialism :

“No branch of industry can be omitted from this all-round fixing of prices and wages and from this obligation to produce those quantities which the government wants to see produced. If some branches were to be left free out of regard for the fact that they produce only goods qualified as non-vital or even as luxuries, capital and labor would tend to flow into them and the result would be a drop in the supply of those goods, the prices of which government has fixed precisely because it considers them as indispensable for the satisfaction of the needs of the masses.

But when this state of all-round control of business is attained, there can no longer be any question of a market economy. No longer do the citizens by their buying and abstention from buying determine what should be produced and how. The power to decide these matters has devolved upon the government. This is no longer capitalism; it is all-round planning by the government, it is socialism.”

Still Don’t Believe Venezuela is a Socialist Country?

For those that remain skeptical about Venezuela’s socialist status, they can look no further than the second section of the Communist Manifesto, "Proletarians and Communists," to understand the government’s true nature. Marx sums up with the socialist program with ten essential tenets:

1. Abolition of Property in Land and Application of all Rents of Land to Public Purpose.

Under Hugo Chávez’s regime, the Venezuelan government has expropriated over 6 million acres of farmland and has extended this crusade to large supermarket chains and factories, putting property rights in jeopardy.

2. A Heavy Progressive or Graduated Income Tax.

Venezuela features a progressive income tax, topping out at 34% for the highest income earners.

3. Abolition of All Rights of Inheritance.

While rights of inheritance are not completely abolished in Venezuela, the government still taxes the largest inheritances at a hefty rate of 55% .

4. Confiscation of the Property of All Emigrants and Rebels.

The Venezuelan government has expropriated the assets of foreign companies such as ExxonMobil and ConocoPhillips.

5. Centralization of Credit in the Hands of the State, by Means of a National Bank with State Capital and an Exclusive Monopoly.

Founded in 1939, the Venezuelan Central Bank has played a substantial in Venezuela’s collapse by monetizing its debt and increasing the money supply at unprecedented rates. The result? Hyperinflation .

6. Centralization of the Means of Communication and Transport in the Hands of the State.

Venezuela’s National Commission of Telecommunications (CONATEL) regulates and controls all media in the country. It has gained notoriety for its censorship campaigns , which has earned Venezuelan media the classification of “ not free” according to Freedom House.

7. Extension of Factories and Instruments of Production Owned by the State.

Government-sponsored labor organizations have taken over abandoned factories in the name of the state. Foreign conglomerates weren’t exempt from this as Chávez’s government took over Argentine and Japanese owned factories for state purposes.

8. Equal Liability of All to Labor. Establishment of Industrial Armies, Especially for Agriculture.

In response to food shortages, Nicolás Maduro signed a forced labor law requiring "all workers from the public and private sector with enough physical capabilities and technical know-how" to help the government boost food production.

9. Combination of Agriculture with Manufacturing Industries; Gradual Abolition of the Distinction Between Town and Country by a More Equable Distribution of the Population over the Country.

Originating in Cuba, the Venezuelan government attempted to implement organoponics , a system of urban agriculture using organic gardens, with the aim of achieving agricultural self-sufficiency in urban centers like Caracas.

10. Free Education for All Children in Public Schools.

Compulsory education was established by decree in 1880. Public schools in Venezuela now function as indoctrination centers, where millions of youth read the works of Communist figures like Che Guevera and Fidel Castro in order to “cleanse” themselves of capitalist thought.

In sum, Venezuela meets the majority of the requirements that Marx spelled out for a country to be on the path to socialism.

Sadly, many will continue to ignore this unbearable truth.

How many more failed socialist experiments will it take for the Left to recognize socialism’s penchant for destruction?



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Re: Venezuela

Postby The Green Barbarian » Aug 29th, 2018, 10:20 am

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You post this video of a communist *bleep* ripping on Megan Mccain right after her dad just died? Pathetic. Almost as pathetic as this pinhead barfing up a ton of failed leftist talking points while trying to excuse the role socialism played in destroying Venezuela. Just gross.
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Re: Venezuela

Postby Omnitheo » Aug 29th, 2018, 10:23 am

Why are you so full of hate?

This video was made before her dad died. While he receiving attention from the VA which his own daughter is attacking. She’s the disgusting one in this video. But thanks for not actually addressing the content of the video.

Not to mention it’s pretty rich for Trumpettes to accuse others of disrespecting McCains...
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Re: Venezuela

Postby The Green Barbarian » Aug 29th, 2018, 10:29 am

Omnitheo wrote:Why are you so full of hate?


Why are you so full of hate? So much so that you are trying to deflect from the disastrous effects that socialism has had on Venezuela and outright lie about it too. Why do you hate everything that doesn't involve making the world burn? Why so consumed by such jealousy and hatred? So full of hate, that you post this nonsensical attack on Meghan McCain. This kind of hate is just gross.
Not to mention it’s pretty rich for Trumpettes to accuse others of disrespecting McCains...


I don't know what a Trumpette is or what this has to do with brainless socialist *bleep* destroying Venezuela, but I will just chalk it up to general stupidity and desperation.
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Re: Venezuela

Postby Omnitheo » Aug 29th, 2018, 10:38 am

so much hate and vitriol coming from you. It’s not healthy man.

We just want people to have healthcare. That’s not what destroyed Venezuela. A single resource petro state under a dictatorial government brought about by foreign meddling and followed up with sanctions.

Doesn’t matter what kind of government you have when you’re under those pressures. Again look at Somalia, a decentralized fully capitalist state. Why are you so quiet on Somalia?
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Re: Venezuela

Postby Jflem1983 » Aug 29th, 2018, 10:40 am

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Venezuela should be richest country in South America by a long shot.

Venezuela ruined by socialism and economic hitmen sent to Venezuela due to Venezuela being socialist. One beast brings another.

Venezuela has been very keen to keep control of Citgo. I am surprised the USA hasnt taken it over as part of sanctions. Already they do not allow any money to be repatiriated to Venezuela.

Canadian miner owed 1.4 Billion. Conoco Phillips owed 2 Billion. Im sure there are many many more companies who had assets seized by Chavez and Maduro. Once you kick out all the businesses. Whats left
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Re: Venezuela

Postby The Green Barbarian » Aug 29th, 2018, 2:52 pm

Omnitheo wrote:so much hate and vitriol coming from you. It’s not healthy man.


Right back at you man. Your seething hatred is just not cool.

just want people to have healthcare. That’s not what destroyed Venezuela. A single resource petro state under a dictatorial government brought about by foreign meddling and followed up with sanctions.


This is apologist nonsense and deflection. Socialism isnt the only reason but it's the biggest reason Venezuela failed. It's why all the idiot celebrities have gone quiet.

Doesn’t matter what kind of government you have when you’re under those pressures.


They wouldn't have been under those pressures if they had had a democratic non-socialist government. Chavez was an evil socialist scumbag.

Again look at Somalia, a decentralized fully capitalist state. Why are you so quiet on Somalia?


Again look at Somalia??? What? This is the same red herring brought up by the commie idiot in that awful Meghan McCain hit piece you inappropriately posted. Why not talk about Cuba and North Korea too?

Such desperation. Such sadness. Socialism sucks and the whole world can see it.
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Re: Venezuela

Postby JagXKR » Aug 29th, 2018, 2:53 pm

Omnitheo wrote:so much hate and vitriol coming from you. It’s not healthy man.

We just want people to have healthcare. That’s not what destroyed Venezuela. A single resource petro state under a dictatorial government brought about by foreign meddling and followed up with sanctions.

Doesn’t matter what kind of government you have when you’re under those pressures. Again look at Somalia, a decentralized fully capitalist state. Why are you so quiet on Somalia?


What a crock. You have no idea what went wrong and the denial is putrid. Shameful and disgusting. It's like an episode of Hoarders where the denial is rampart and no amount of facts will dissuade the hoarder from the truth. Go ahead and deflect.

Venezuela was the richest nation in all of Latin America before socialism and now millions have fled. Of course just shift the blame elsewhere as the doctrine of Socialism could not possibly be the real reason.

The socialist government killed the oil industry and the busy port of Maracaibo. A place where many Canadians used to work. That place is dead and the blame is solely on a socialist government with a socialist agenda. Myopic dogma that has no business existing in the real world. Ideological mumbo jumbo at the expense of millions suffering from this failed ideology.
Why use a big word when a diminutive one will suffice.

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Re: Venezuela

Postby Omnitheo » Aug 29th, 2018, 3:33 pm

It’s not a red herring. Somalia is exactly as relevant as Venezuela. If you wish to pin all the problems in Venezuela on socialism, as though it’s completely black and white, then Somalia, as a stark contrast should be looked at in the same light.

Fact is, there are many nations with socialism which are doing quite well with high standards of living, such as the Scandinavian Nations, and even Canada.

We get that you grew up during the Cold War when “socialism” and “communism” were bad words and heavily propagandized against, however now we can look at actual real world examples where a solid in-corrupt government with socialist policies lead to a strong economy and high standards of living for its people’s. Every attempt to bring up Venezuela is just as relevant as bringing up Somalia when the discussion revolves around capitalist or right wing ideologies.

Just take a deep breath and relax. The commies aren’t coming for you, and if you haven’t already, you’re a few years from reaping the rewards of our socialized systems in this country.
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Re: Venezuela

Postby Rjamer » Aug 29th, 2018, 4:27 pm

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Re: Venezuela

Postby Jflem1983 » Sep 1st, 2018, 6:43 am

Another week of suffering for Venezuelans wonder how many thousands managed to escape this week. Life is cheap for Venezuelans. Kill you for your lunch money.
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Re: Venezuela

Postby Ka-El » Sep 1st, 2018, 7:32 am

Jflem1983 wrote: Unfortunately in Canada we are headed down a dark path. Every day we get softer. Soon we will all be worthless and starving.

You should get out while you can :smt045
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