BKR. Vaccine Hesitant

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BKR. Vaccine Hesitant

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What these people wouldn’t give to be in the position to make a different decision. This vaccine is a God-given opportunity to avoid this pain. Keep your loved ones from having to bury you before your time.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8169434/vacc ... -covid-19/
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Kellyo wrote: Sep 7th, 2021, 11:17 am This vaccine is a God-given opportunity
This vaccine is a Scientism-given opportunity....

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ekir8 wrote: Sep 7th, 2021, 11:27 am
This vaccine is a Scientism-given opportunity....

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So what are you saying? It was Satan who invented science? Most theologists would suggest that god also gave us science. That way when modern medicine saves a life they can still claim that god saved the life or at least had a hand in it.

As an atheist I really don't care who religious folks attribute to something, just find this word play all very fascinating.

Or perhaps I'm looking into this too deeply and it's simply a matter of:
Pro-vaccine + believes in god = God gave it to us
Anti-vaccine + believes in god = Science or someone else who isn't god provided the vaccine.
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TylerM4 wrote: Sep 7th, 2021, 11:57 am
ekir8 wrote: Sep 7th, 2021, 11:27 am
This vaccine is a Scientism-given opportunity....

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So what are you saying? It was Satan who invented science? Most theologists would suggest that god also gave us science. That way when modern medicine saves a life they can still claim that god saved the life or at least had a hand in it.

As an atheist I really don't care who religious folks attribute to something, just find this word play all very fascinating.

Or perhaps I'm looking into this too deeply and it's simply a matter of:
Pro-vaccine + believes in god = God gave it to us
Anti-vaccine + believes in god = Science or someone else who isn't god provided the vaccine.
Maybe you're just reading in to it too much. I would say that "god" or "nature" or whatever descriptor you want to put on it has provided us with an immune system and "man" or "science" or whatever descriptor you want to put on it has given us vaccines and pharmaceuticals and other interventions that are supposed cheat-codes to remedy the mistake that is the human condition that god or nature allegedly left us in. I do find it interesting that we now worship unquestioningly at the alter of Scientism just as people worshipped unquestioningly at the alter of religion. Scientism is the new priest-class, to question the "experts" is modern day heresy. The inability to question Science ironically runs counter to the Scientific method itself which is built upon questioning.
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God gave us an immune system, unfortunately it's not perfect. But as a back up, God also gave some of us the intelligence and diligence to come up with an alternative that works pretty well in the vaccines which help the immune system work better, unfortunately still not perfect. so we can't save everyone, but we can try to save most.
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When that intelligence and diligence is directly correlated to astronomical spikes in the rates of cancer, heart disease, autoimmune disorders, mental health disorders, childhood disease, autism, birth defects, learning disabilities and fertility issues, when do we cross the rubicon out of supposed intelligence and into hubris?

When all we have to fall back on is Small Pox and Polio "eradication" (the former being related to nutrition and sanitization and the latter being related to DDT) I'd say we're standing on some pretty weak footing and it's probably time we address the elephant in the room. Or not, idc. Either way, good luck, it's going to take a lot more than daily prayers to lab coats to dig ourselves out of the hole we've found ourselves in.
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There is a lot of things humans do to bring on things like flus and viruses like Covid, but they care so much but just won’t stop the habits
One is air traveling. This is an unnatural way for humans to travel. Spread the disease. Flying around the world in your Covid rockets just to enjoy yourself.
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TylerM4 wrote: Sep 7th, 2021, 11:57 am Most theologists would suggest that god also gave us science.
Sorry I have to chuckle when the word god and science are mentioned together or in the same context!! [icon_lol2.gif]
Silverstarqueen wrote: Sep 7th, 2021, 12:35 pm God gave us an immune system, unfortunately it's not perfect. But as a back up, God also gave some of us the intelligence and diligence
Sorry but again, my chuckle has turned into a laugh [icon_lol2.gif] [icon_lol2.gif] .....It's either science or god...cant believe in both unless your a hypocrite... :smt045
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ekir8 wrote: Sep 7th, 2021, 12:25 pm The inability to question Science ironically runs counter to the Scientific method itself which is built upon questioning.
Questioning from a position of knowledge, not ignorance.
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DoubleB12 wrote: Sep 7th, 2021, 1:34 pm
TylerM4 wrote: Sep 7th, 2021, 11:57 am Most theologists would suggest that god also gave us science.
Sorry I have to chuckle when the word god and science are mentioned together or in the same context!! [icon_lol2.gif]
Silverstarqueen wrote: Sep 7th, 2021, 12:35 pm God gave us an immune system, unfortunately it's not perfect. But as a back up, God also gave some of us the intelligence and diligence
Sorry but again, my chuckle has turned into a laugh [icon_lol2.gif] [icon_lol2.gif] .....It's either science or god...cant believe in both unless your a hypocrite... :smt045
God works in mysterious ways, which are also called Science. This is not hypocritical. Albert Einstein: "The more I study Science, the more I believe in God." There are/were many famous scientists who believed in God.
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ekir8 wrote: Sep 7th, 2021, 12:25 pmI do find it interesting that we now worship unquestioningly at the alter of Scientism just as people worshipped unquestioningly at the alter of religion. Scientism is the new priest-class, to question the "experts" is modern day heresy. The inability to question Science ironically runs counter to the Scientific method itself which is built upon questioning.
I for one am not worshipping at the altar of 'Scientism', if that's even a thing. We do rely on experts as you say, but these experts have spent their lives studying the world to push knowledge forward. I think it's pretty important to take them seriously.

Improvements in science are definitely built upon questioning. But they are also built on knowledge gained through other scientific discoveries, grounded in a quite simple and repeatable process. You can't just stand around yelling that the world is flat without any proof, and demand to be taken seriously. You need evidence to back up your assertions.

Thanks for clearly pointing out the problem many face when confusing correlation with causation. Rates of cancer, diabetes, kidney failure, etc. did clearly increase alongside technological advancements. But hey, so did life expectancy. The former correlated to technological advance, the latter is widely seen as the cause of the increased prevalence of these health issues.
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Silverstarqueen wrote: Sep 7th, 2021, 2:43 pm
DoubleB12 wrote: Sep 7th, 2021, 1:34 pm
Sorry I have to chuckle when the word god and science are mentioned together or in the same context!! [icon_lol2.gif]

Sorry but again, my chuckle has turned into a laugh [icon_lol2.gif] [icon_lol2.gif] .....It's either science or god...cant believe in both unless your a hypocrite... :smt045
God works in mysterious ways, which are also called Science. This is not hypocritical. Albert Einstein: "The more I study Science, the more I believe in God." There are/were many famous scientists who believed in God.
I had to pull some info in regards to your quote....but okay!!

Einstein spoke of his spiritual outlook in a wide array of original writings and interviews.[173] He said he had sympathy for the impersonal pantheistic God of Baruch Spinoza's philosophy.[174] He did not believe in a personal god who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings, a view which he described as naïve.[175] He clarified, however, that "I am not an atheist",[176] preferring to call himself an agnostic,[177][178] or a "deeply religious nonbeliever".[175] When asked if he believed in an afterlife, Einstein replied, "No. And one life is enough for me."[179]
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DoubleB12 wrote:.....It's either science or god...cant believe in both ..
Not true at all. Many scientists believe in something they'd call God for lack of a better term. There is literally no contradiction between science and the idea of an underlying universal force that is currently (and will probably forever be) beyond our understanding. Stephen Hawking was an agnostic who conceded science could not disprove the idea, and went as far as to suggest time started with the Big Bang and didn’t exist before supporting the idea of an infinite force that has always been here, is here now, and will be here long after we are gone. Throughout history different cultures and different people have tried to explain this idea in ways that were meaningful to them and what they could understand, and this is why we get the contradictions. If you want to talk about religion specifically, well that's another story. Anyways, cheers.
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Here's what they did to the "vaccine hesitant" in France in 1939... I mean 2021.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_atta ... bf12d9.mp4
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Ka-El wrote: Sep 7th, 2021, 4:44 pm
DoubleB12 wrote:.....It's either science or god...cant believe in both ..
Not true at all. Many scientists believe in something they'd call God for lack of a better term. There is literally no contradiction between science and the idea of an underlying universal force that is currently (and will probably forever be) beyond our understanding. Stephen Hawking was an agnostic who conceded science could not disprove the idea, and went as far as to suggest time started with the Big Bang and didn’t exist before supporting the idea of an infinite force that has always been here, is here now, and will be here long after we are gone. Throughout history different cultures and different people have tried to explain this idea in ways that were meaningful to them and what they could understand, and this is why we get the contradictions. If you want to talk about religion specifically, well that's another story. Anyways, cheers.
I guess I should not have said....cant believe in both. That is obviously a choice, however only one of those (science) is actual fact...the other is....well....not based on facts!!

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