BKR. Vaccine Hesitant

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Silverstarqueen wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 8:47 am
It seems we are winning the battle. Far fewer hospitalizations and deaths in those most vulnerable (if they are vaccinated). So the only ones NOT winning the battle are the unvaccinated, turning up in much higher percentage of their relatively smaller population, ending up in hospital/icu, dead.
If we are going to be exposed eventually to the virus (as it appears most of us more probably will), so much better to have that protective edge in that case. How is immunity derived from Covid infection without a vaccine, better than immunity derived from (potentially) a Covid infection WITH a vaccine? Simple, it isn't. If everyone had avoided the vaccine, as anti-vaxxers are suggesting, then all we'd have is some people becoming immune, at the expense of about 5% being hospitalized (and all the problems that entails) and 2% dying (unnecessarily).
The government didn't put us in a battle with Covid, but they have offered a way of mitigating the worst aspects of it. If some don't get the vaccine and unfortunately end up in disporportionate numbers in hospitals, they have no one to blame but themselves.
Nope, your totally wrong, silverqueen. It seems from the very beginning, even before your needed vaccine, that the people winning by a long shot were those that were not obese. Obviously not including elderly. I am not interested in shaming and blaming those. I would like to see us all take a direction to protect them and help them. All of us. But this shaming and blaming directed at others with every attempt to hide ones own poor decisions in the past is an absolute embarrassment and neglect.
Wonder how many of the poor souls that passed would prepare themselves differently in time for the next virus or just ignore it and continue on?
Oh, I know, lets all do nothing to look after ourselves and move away from being vulnerable before its too late, and instead just sit around and wait for a vaccine to be made. Oh, that makes a ton of sense doesnt it.
You know full well that obesity is one of the most contributing factors for ICU, severity and death to covid.
So, nice try trying so hard to hide the facts and separating groups of people based only on what you need it to appear like.
Fact is, if you what to be rude to anyone suffering covid, "winning the battle" as you state, its a war then between the un healthy and the healthy.
And very clearly as per every health organisation in the world, the majority of all death's and ICU victims are in a vulnerable group of obesity.
And nope, anti vaxxer's are talking only about themselves. Have already done their own due diligence and took measure long before you. If your vulnerable, then get the vaccine for yourself and stop pushing that as the only choice for others.
Before the vaccine, you had a choice. Some took it seriously, many didn't. To bad, its gonna happen again, you would think people would grow up and learn.
Doing absolutely nothing, but waiting around every time for your vax. certainly proves nothing to anyone. It definitely doesn't show your the one being committed to anything.
My, obese sister in law, screams and attack's anyone that doesnt believe in her vaccine. Seems she has volunteered herself to be 113% more likely to land in the hospital. Interesting she needs to hide from the truth, but sure enjoys attacking everyone else instead. These are the people that need to shut up.
Lets stop shaming and blaming and the grand standing and start looking in the mirror.
"Obesity Reviews, an international team of researchers pooled data from scores of peer-reviewed papers capturing 399,000 patients. They found that people with obesity who contracted SARS-CoV-2 were 113% more likely than people of healthy weight to land in the hospital, 74% more likely to be admitted to an ICU, and 48% more likely to die."


https://www.science.org/content/article ... eyre-young
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Fancy wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 5:58 pm
Kelownamade wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 4:24 pm
Why don't you do some research. Dubai cloud seeds once a week. This is well known...
Then you should be aware of a thread on cloud seeding. It’s not new technology and certainly not applicable here.
Haven't you heard? they are now planning to seed clouds with vaccine spike proteins. That will pretty much take care of those who are vaccine hesitant.
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Silverstarqueen wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 5:23 pm Kelownamade:
" you aren't well educated in all subjects required to see how this world is ran."

LOL.

How would you know? You're brainwashed. If you had knowledge of all relevant subjects required to see the truth, you wouldn't trust the media nor big pharma/government. You people act as if government hasn't always shown to be tyrannical and corrupt. You know nothing about humans and different personality traits. Weak people are poor. That's likely your position. Poor is having less than 300k in the bank. Go read the Laws of Human Nature and then you will see what elite people are like. They certainly aren't going to shut down the world in order to protect weak people.
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We know Pfizer, the media, and the government lie.

Yet still, somehow you've been conditioned to automatically dismiss the voices of thousands of doctors and experts who have nothing to gain by speaking out, while you continuously defend the known liars.

Fauci has lied, Henry has lied, Trudeau has lied, Biden has lied the list goes on and on. I have yet to see any of the people on here who are for the vaccine and anti choice speak up against these liars and their policies.
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Fortunately the vaccines work for people who are overweight/obese or diabetic too. So what was one risk factor (along with age, lung disease, heart disease etc), is far less of a risk if someone is fully vaccinated.
""Analysis of COVID-19 vaccine efficacy in certain disease sub-groups has been difficult because the number of trial participants with the disease was too small. This was not the case for obesity. Because the prevalence of obesity among trial participants was high, and because obesity is highly associated with hospital admission and death in COVID-19, the trial results were able to show that, contrary to concerns of reduced vaccine efficacy in people with obesity, that the vaccines were just as efficacious among persons with obesity compared with persons without obesity," said Alexandra M. Hajduk, Ph.D., MPH, an epidemiologist and associate research scientist in the Department of Internal Medicine (Geriatrics) at Yale School of Medicine in New Haven, Conn. Hajduk is one of the co-authors of the position statement."
Obesity is more of a risk for male covid patients than female.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-05- ... ovid-.html

People with a very low BMI were also at risk:
" People with a BMI under 23, which includes people who are underweight (BMI below 18.5) were also at risk of COVID-related hospital admission and death. ."
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Pappywinkle wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 10:36 am
jcdenton wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 10:34 am Because they know more than you.
Did the aliens tell you that? Or was it the lizard people?
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Fancy wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 10:36 am
jcdenton wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 10:34 am Ah yes call people a conspiracy theorist. Why? Because they know more than you....
Hardly - they are what they are.
Smarter than you, yeah, definitely
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Silverstarqueen wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 7:24 pm Haven't you heard? they are now planning to seed clouds with vaccine spike proteins. That will pretty much take care of those who are vaccine hesitant.
Someone will believe that.
Truths can be backed up by facts - do you have any?
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jcdenton wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 10:10 pm
Smarter than you, yeah, definitely
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OKkayak wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 10:52 pm
jcdenton wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 10:10 pm
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W105 wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 2:04 pm
alanjh595 wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 1:38 pm

What year was "Gain-of-Function Research" formed ?

Who provides their funding ?

Who is on the board of directors ?

Answers to those simple 3 questions should prove the validity of the the link.
Until that is done, the link should be disregarded.
^^ either google the info that you require or disregard it, I don't care...
That is just what I expected you to say. So therefore, you don't care about the source of the gossip that you add to these forums.

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A top NIH official admitted in a Wednesday letter that U.S. taxpayers funded gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses in Wuhan and revealed that EcoHealth Alliance, the U.S. non-profit that funneled NIH money to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, was not transparent about the work it was doing.
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jcdenton wrote: Nov 19th, 2021, 8:14 am Just a reminder that this plandemic was planned in advance for decades. They ran simulations like Event 201 back in 2019 which specifically simulated:
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“Media companies should commit to ensuring that authoritative messages are prioritized and that false messages are suppressed including though [sic] the use of technology” — Event 201 pandemic simulation (October, 2019)

Sound familiar yet? There is a reason they call it "the new normal". Its because its never going back to normal, it never was. They want you to get used to this new authoritarian system where everything you do is monitored, everwhere you go is tracked. The next step is implementing a digital dollar, which is well underway, and then everything you spend will be tracked too. Canada provinces have already began implementing a CBDC and digital ID's which will be used against you. The next step after that is a total reset of the entire financial system. Every single person who is going along with this plan voluntarily is either a criminal or is so stupid that they shouldn't leave the house without a helmet.

They now have you locked in to the perpetual vaccination schedule, linked to your covid passport and digital ID. With this they can indefinitely restrict and widen your freedoms as they please based on "health reasons", and they can do this perpetually forever because covid will never be gone, and they can introduce a new disease at any time. Welcome to the new normal.
So did Abbotsford plan their flood? Just another grab for overweaning government powers? Horrors! ordering people off their land? Exactly how do countries plan to meet the challenges of a pandemic, if they don't run simulations and have experts analyze them and build a plan? As unprepared as Canada was when SARS-2 arrived, they at least had some experience and preparations after seeing SARS-I in 2003. If there had not already been decades of research into coronaviruses and vaccines, there is no way they would have had a vaccine ready in 12 months. And just having a taste of SARS-I, they could see how easily a similar coronavirus could run loose thru the population, if not stalled until a vaccine arrived.
"The map above, commissioned by the city last year, shows a worst-case flooding scenario, with floodwater from the Nooksack River and dike and embankment breaches."
https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2021/11/18/ ... ord-Flood/
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