BKR. Vaccine Hesitant

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I listened, I still don't think we can ignore the huge price health care workers have paid in lives lost, weeks in ICU, families infected, the patients they infected, the worry, and having to treat people and watch them die who could have prevented turning up in hospital if only they had had a vaccine.

Thanks for watching it.

I added to my post - "If you did listen, perhaps you'd be willing to discuss what he actually said - what's needed to overcome vaccine hesitancy, from his perspective, which is more informed than ours. He's dealing with the patients people are dismissing as ill-informed."

Are you interested in discussing what he said, or shall we all just ignore it in the usual haste to support the preferred narrative?

[Silverstarqueen]

I didn't ignore it, I posted my response, you don't have to accept that either. You can stick with your less preferred narrative if you wish.

[nanita]

Why surprised? that they let anyone make a presentation, so negating the false narrative that cautionary tales about vaccines are being suppressed?

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So the FDA will listen to one and all, and will make their decisions based on the science and the good of society in general.

Ah, these posts always make me smile. So the FDA lets 'anyone' speak. Any rando who crawled out of his basement with a MAGA hat.
These are scientists and physicians with a background in virology and immunology!
The FDA is informed about each speaker's presentation before the meeting - they need to be approved.
But according to this bizarre narrative, the FDA has decided to give this precious time to 'conspiracy theorists' and 'liars'.

Then, they publish the full, unabridged presentation on their YouTube channel.

Gave me a good laugh this morning, thank you, and Bonnie Henry, Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci thank you as well, no doubt. It's very brave that you've stuck with your position despite your own adverse reaction to the gene therapy drug.

[Silverstarqueen]

"FUNERAL DIRECTOR JOHN O'LOONEY BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON COVID"
https://www.bitchute.com/video/St20sTrdlMRx/
"Funeral Directors in COVID-19 Epicenter Doubt Legitimacy of Deaths Attributed to Pandemic"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5f_6ltv7oI
Dare any of those on the pro vaccine side to call some local funeral homes and inquire.

So an embalmer (funeral director) is pointing out that he hasn't caught an airborne infection from people who died of covid. Has it ocurred to him that unless his dead clients are breathing (presumably they weren't), they would not be coughing, talking, spraying aerosolizing the virus? He wouldn't need a mask. No doubt he took basic precautions not to be exposed to bodily fluids, and in early 2020 no one knew for sure whether the virus could be transmitted that way yet he questions why health officials took precautions against that.
This funeral director may not have seen an increase of covid patients in a surge, others have and have stated as much. It would really depend on how quickly the virus was spreading in a particular community, and amongst which age groups.
If our funeral directors in b.c. typically see x number of patients in a week, and suddenly there's a covid outbreak in a nursing home and 20 people die whereas normally 3 died before covid, someone would have noticed that increase, or possibly the bodies were sent to different funeral homes. Certainly the long term care homes, or the hospital ER/ICUs have said they had sudden increases in numbers dying (or hospitalized) during a surge. Are they all crazy or are they lying?

[Silverstarqueen]

Why surprised? that they let anyone make a presentation, so negating the false narrative that cautionary tales about vaccines are being suppressed?
........
So the FDA will listen to one and all, and will make their decisions based on the science and the good of society in general.

Ah, these posts always make me smile. So the FDA lets 'anyone' speak. Any rando who crawled out of his basement with a MAGA hat.
These are scientists and physicians with a background in virology and immunology!
The FDA is informed about each speaker's presentation before the meeting - they need to be approved.
But according to this bizarre narrative, the FDA has decided to give this precious time to 'conspiracy theorists' and 'liars'.

Then, they publish the full, unabridged presentation on their YouTube channel.
Gave me a good laugh this morning, thank you, and Bonnie Henry, Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci thank you as well, no doubt. It's very brave that you've stuck with your position despite your own adverse reaction to the gene therapy drug.

No where did I say the FDA was listening to "conspiracy theorists" and "liars", or "randos who crawled out of their basement". so the "bizarre narrative" that you speak of is a figment of your imagination. Some of the presentations were, basically cautionary tales, with no hard data to back them up. There was no debate, analysis of evidence presented, no scientific weighing of data. So it was like a hearing before senate, as I said.

So someone like Dr. Andre Hill (who we discussed yesterday) could have presented his review of Ivermectin's use to treat covid (if that was the topic), and included a study like the Elgazzar trial, which was later found to include false and fabricated data. That doesn't make him a conspiracy theorist or a liar, or stupid or undeducated. it makes him a victim of the same misinformation that many educated and not so educated people have been.
So the FDA hears all these "things to consider" and then they go and consider them and do the real work that they have to do. But no one can say that alternative theories or ideas were suppressed, they werent'.

[Kelownamade]

Ah, these posts always make me smile. So the FDA lets 'anyone' speak. Any rando who crawled out of his basement with a MAGA hat.
These are scientists and physicians with a background in virology and immunology!
The FDA is informed about each speaker's presentation before the meeting - they need to be approved.
But according to this bizarre narrative, the FDA has decided to give this precious time to 'conspiracy theorists' and 'liars'.

Then, they publish the full, unabridged presentation on their YouTube channel.
Gave me a good laugh this morning, thank you, and Bonnie Henry, Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci thank you as well, no doubt. It's very brave that you've stuck with your position despite your own adverse reaction to the gene therapy drug.

No where did I say the FDA was listening to "conspiracy theorists" and "liars", or "randos who crawled out of their basement". so the "bizarre narrative" that you speak of is a figment of your imagination. Some of the presentations were, basically cautionary tales, with no hard data to back them up. There was no debate, analysis of evidence presented, no scientific weighing of data. So it was like a hearing before senate, as I said.

So someone like Dr. Andre Hill (who we discussed yesterday) could have presented his review of Ivermectin's use to treat covid (if that was the topic), and included a study like the Elgazzar trial, which was later found to include false and fabricated data. That doesn't make him a conspiracy theorist or a liar, or stupid or undeducated. it makes him a victim of the same misinformation that many educated and not so educated people have been.
So the FDA hears all these "things to consider" and then they go and consider them and do the real work that they have to do. But no one can say that alternative theories or ideas were suppressed, they werent'.

Can you go to this link and read the comments? It will show you how much damage the vaccine is causing and then please let me know why the media isn't reporting on this. I would like to hear your theory on why there were 10x less cases prior to vaccination. This is completely impossible in nature. What would it take for you to believe this is a nefarious plan to lower the population which will help the planet with over population. This is the top priority for the elites. Global warming caused by humans is only solved by removing people. They used this method as people are making the decision on their own. Curious if you will ever consider this as a possibility.

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I didn't ignore it, I posted my response, you don't have to accept that either. You can stick with your less preferred narrative if you wish.

What you posted had nothing to do with what he said about what needs to be done to reduce vaccine hesitancy, though - which is fine, I accept that you'd rather not discuss it.

I thought he made a very valid point.

[harblz]

So the FDA lets 'anyone' speak. Any rando who crawled out of his basement with a MAGA hat.
These are scientists and physicians with a background in virology and immunology!
The FDA is informed about each speaker's presentation before the meeting - they need to be approved.
But according to this bizarre narrative, the FDA has decided to give this precious time to 'conspiracy theorists' and 'liars'.

Then, they publish the full, unabridged presentation on their YouTube channel.

Yes, that's exactly it. If you're a member of the public with something on topic to say, then they are obligated to allow you to say it. That's how a public hearing works.

https://www.fda.gov/patients/about-offi ... ee-meeting

[nanita]

So the FDA lets 'anyone' speak. Any rando who crawled out of his basement with a MAGA hat.
These are scientists and physicians with a background in virology and immunology!
The FDA is informed about each speaker's presentation before the meeting - they need to be approved.
But according to this bizarre narrative, the FDA has decided to give this precious time to 'conspiracy theorists' and 'liars'.

Then, they publish the full, unabridged presentation on their YouTube channel.

Yes, that's exactly it. If you're a member of the public with something on topic to say, then they are obligated to allow you to say it. That's how a public hearing works.

https://www.fda.gov/patients/about-offi ... ee-meeting

So the FDA hearing was hijacked by physician conspiracy theorists who submitted their presentations beforehand and the FDA then uploaded the session in its entirety to YouTube.
Wow.

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So the FDA hearing was hijacked by physician conspiracy theorists who submitted their presentations beforehand and the FDA then uploaded the session in its entirety to YouTube.
Wow.

I don't know why you find that so hard to accept. It's in black and white in the link I posted above. Anyway, I've made my point so I'm going to disengage now.

[Silverstarqueen]

"FUNERAL DIRECTOR JOHN O'LOONEY BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON COVID"
https://www.bitchute.com/video/St20sTrdlMRx/
"Funeral Directors in COVID-19 Epicenter Doubt Legitimacy of Deaths Attributed to Pandemic"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5f_6ltv7oI
Dare any of those on the pro vaccine side to call some local funeral homes and inquire.

So back to the funeral director:
He mentioned rhesus monkeys (presumably being used in experiments). I could not find a study referring to them dying from the vaccine, if anyone can, I'd love to see the link.

but I checked out a couple of studies on monkeys and covid (these were available).
Covid definitely infected them as it would humans, and cause a pneumonia, pretty much like covid does in humans.
In another study Covid infection caused vascular disease and thrombosis (as it often does in humans).

So if Covid was just a fabrications, why did it cause such serious health effects in these monkeys. Why then did giving them a vaccine seem to greatly reduce serious disease when later infected with covid if the vaccine wasn't effective?
" Postmortem examinations showed a variable degree of consolidation, edema, hemorrhage and necrosis throughout the lower respiratory tract, indicating the interstitial pneumonia. The section of the inferior lobe of the right lung is dark red with large patchy hemorrhage accounting for ~15% of the lung tissue on day 3, and the animal had two red dark foci in the right upper lobe and right lower lobe accounting for ~10% of the lung tissue on day 6 (Fig. 2b, c). However, the surface and section of the lungs were gray and white with consolidation, and the inferior lobes of lungs were firmer than the upper lobes in dark red with patchy hemorrhage. After necropsy, the tissues and organs were harvested for quantification of viral RNA. RT-qPCR analysis was performed for both respiratory tract tissues and other organs. The data revealed the widespread presence of SARS-CoV-2 in the respiratory tract. The amount of the viral RNA ranged from 3.0 × 104 to 1.5 × 107 copies/g in trachea and bronchus tract at both 3 (Fig. 2d) and 6 d.p.i. (Fig. 2e). In the lungs, viral RNA was detected with titer up to 2.0 × 107 copies/g and mainly localized in the lower lobes of lungs, but no specific viral RNA could be detected in heart, liver, spleen, kidney, intestine, stomach and reproductive tract on day 3 and 6 post infection (Supplementary information, Fig. S3). Taken together, we presume that the respiratory tract is the preliminary target of SARS-CoV-2 infection, while other organs might not be the direct targets."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7364749/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7546181/

[Silverstarqueen]

Can you go to this link and read the comments? It will show you how much damage the vaccine is causing and then please let me know why the media isn't reporting on this. I would like to hear your theory on why there were 10x less cases prior to vaccination. This is completely impossible in nature. What would it take for you to believe this is a nefarious plan to lower the population which will help the planet with over population. This is the top priority for the elites. Global warming caused by humans is only solved by removing people. They used this method as people are making the decision on their own. Curious if you will ever consider this as a possibility.

I don't see the link you refer to. Comments? there are lots of comments, but I can read some more. Anyone can make a comment and there seems to be A LOT of fabrication going on, so comments are not that believable. Pro or con.

As far as the vaccine, I have read quite a few studies, articles about the vaccines, and side effects.
A nefarious plan to lower the population has also been discussed on these threads before. If there was such a plan, it would have a much higher death rate since the current vaccine has a really rare cause of death incidence. And it would have to have a high death rate for all ages, to really put a dent in world population. Just killing 80-90 year olds ten years before their due date is not going to reduce world population much, since the younger generations are mostly still left and will just have four babies instead of two, or six babies instead of three. Can't reduce population without killing a lot of 20-40 year olds. The vaccine is not doing that. So it would have to kill 25-30% of those of reproductive age, we have only seen very rare instances of death.

A disease would be a way better way to reduce the world population, and even Covid doesn't cut it for that since it only has a case fatality rate of about 2% in many countries. So a vaccine that cuts down this death rate, wouldn't be too helpful for this purpose. Vaccinated people are still becoming pregnant, and still having babies, so it's not working in that department to reduce population.
No we would need a disease like Mers (always possible that that could be weaponized), or Ebola (but I think they just about have a vaccine for that now).

[rustled]

"FUNERAL DIRECTOR JOHN O'LOONEY BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON COVID"

https://www.bitchute.com/video/St20sTrdlMRx/

"Funeral Directors in COVID-19 Epicenter Doubt Legitimacy of Deaths Attributed to Pandemic"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5f_6ltv7oI



Dare any of those on the pro vaccine side to call some local funeral homes and inquire.

I'm not sure it would be similar here. Was any local funding tied to stats?

Padding statistics to access greater funding isn't much of a stretch in the US, though - and we often find it helpful to follow the money, particularly when we're not sure whether we're being told the full truth or being manipulated.

We know for certain some cases that were initially attributed to covid turned out not to be. Here's an example:
https://cbs12.com/news/local/autopsy-sh ... t-covid-19

We don't know how common that is. Here's some discussion:
https://www.medpagetoday.com/meetingcoverage/cap/89142

What's important vis a vis the topic of vaccine hesitancy, I think, is to be willing to engage in open and honest discussion about whether or not the statistics have been padded, complications downplayed, etc. rather than give the appearance of trying to distract from these issues, which generally tends to give the appearance of a cover-up.

[Silverstarqueen]

Covid can not only increase damage to kidneys, but increase the damage from pre-existing kidney disease, including mortality.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33150973/
She may or may not have had covid, a negative test is not always definitive, depending.

In early April 2020, in the u.s., there was also a shortage of tests for covid, so I would not be surprised if doctors missed some cases of covid and attributed death to something else, or had to make an educated guess in some cases which looked like covid, but perhaps were not. Was there a large scale effort to mislead or mislable deaths? well, we'd have to see some evidence before making a leap to a conclusion like that. Certainly not just based on some ancecdotal comments.

[Kelownamade]

Can you go to this link and read the comments? It will show you how much damage the vaccine is causing and then please let me know why the media isn't reporting on this. I would like to hear your theory on why there were 10x less cases prior to vaccination. This is completely impossible in nature. What would it take for you to believe this is a nefarious plan to lower the population which will help the planet with over population. This is the top priority for the elites. Global warming caused by humans is only solved by removing people. They used this method as people are making the decision on their own. Curious if you will ever consider this as a possibility.

I don't see the link you refer to. Comments? there are lots of comments, but I can read some more. Anyone can make a comment and there seems to be A LOT of fabrication going on, so comments are not that believable. Pro or con.

As far as the vaccine, I have read quite a few studies, articles about the vaccines, and side effects.
A nefarious plan to lower the population has also been discussed on these threads before. If there was such a plan, it would have a much higher death rate since the current vaccine has a really rare cause of death incidence. And it would have to have a high death rate for all ages, to really put a dent in world population. Just killing 80-90 year olds ten years before their due date is not going to reduce world population much, since the younger generations are mostly still left and will just have four babies instead of two, or six babies instead of three. Can't reduce population without killing a lot of 20-40 year olds. The vaccine is not doing that. So it would have to kill 25-30% of those of reproductive age, we have only seen very rare instances of death.

A disease would be a way better way to reduce the world population, and even Covid doesn't cut it for that since it only has a case fatality rate of about 2% in many countries. So a vaccine that cuts down this death rate, wouldn't be too helpful for this purpose. Vaccinated people are still becoming pregnant, and still having babies, so it's not working in that department to reduce population.
No we would need a disease like Mers (always possible that that could be weaponized), or Ebola (but I think they just about have a vaccine for that now).

Based upon the comments and from people I know, the death rate is far higher than what's being reported. This is what you would expect if this was a depopulation event. They wouldn't report factual data. The people I know who died were under 50 years old. We are also seeing the NIH protocol is killing covid patients. They refuse to use vitamins and they also do not treat you until you are in extremely bad shape. The plan to use booster shots is what is going to cause more and more deaths. They do have 4 versions of each vaccine. One is a placebo, one is 33% one is 66% and the other is full strength. This is what causes more diverse reactions resulting in many people simply dismissing vaccine dangers. Do you see any weird data that concerns you? There was a video of a army doctor and she said there were 20 military that died from covid and already more than that who died from the vaccine. She also said she saw 1700% rise in leukemia and other cancers. I'm wondering why you seem to trust a new form of vaccine which they skipped the human trials with. The monkeys they tested all died. Are you concerned that they do not consider you vaccinated until 15 days after being vaccinated... This is causing the deaths soon after being injected to be counted as unvaccinated.


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