BKR. Vaccine Hesitant

[Bsuds]

Based upon the comments and from people I know, the death rate is far higher than what's being reported. This is what you would expect if this was a depopulation event. They wouldn't report factual data. The people I know who died were under 50 years old. We are also seeing the NIH protocol is killing covid patients. They refuse to use vitamins and they also do not treat you until you are in extremely bad shape. The plan to use booster shots is what is going to cause more and more deaths. They do have 4 versions of each vaccine. One is a placebo, one is 33% one is 66% and the other is full strength. This is what causes more diverse reactions resulting in many people simply dismissing vaccine dangers. Do you see any weird data that concerns you? There was a video of a army doctor and she said there were 20 military that died from covid and already more than that who died from the vaccine. She also said she saw 1700% rise in leukemia and other cancers. I'm wondering why you seem to trust a new form of vaccine which they skipped the human trials with. The monkeys they tested all died. Are you concerned that they do not consider you vaccinated until 15 days after being vaccinated... This is causing the deaths soon after being injected to be counted as unvaccinated.

You might need one of these.

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[two_shoes1mit]

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You might need one of these.


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Not nice at all. This forum is titled: Vaccine Hesitant.
If all you can do is insult someone for sharing their thoughts, go start another forum. Maybe name it, "Bashing the Vaccine Hesitant." I'm sure it would be popular, there are others like you.

I find that these vaccinated, aggressive people are now functioning on straight FEAR.
Your vaccinated, apparently by your standards, you are safe.
Some of us others are not................do you see us throwing stones???????

[rustled]

"FUNERAL DIRECTOR JOHN O'LOONEY BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON COVID"

https://www.bitchute.com/video/St20sTrdlMRx/

"Funeral Directors in COVID-19 Epicenter Doubt Legitimacy of Deaths Attributed to Pandemic"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5f_6ltv7oI



Dare any of those on the pro vaccine side to call some local funeral homes and inquire.

I'm not sure it would be similar here. Was any local funding tied to stats?

Padding statistics to access greater funding isn't much of a stretch in the US, though - and we often find it helpful to follow the money, particularly when we're not sure whether we're being told the full truth or being manipulated.

We know for certain some cases that were initially attributed to covid turned out not to be. Here's an example:
https://cbs12.com/news/local/autopsy-sh ... t-covid-19

We don't know how common that is. Here's some discussion:
https://www.medpagetoday.com/meetingcoverage/cap/89142

What's important vis a vis the topic of vaccine hesitancy, I think, is to be willing to engage in open and honest discussion about whether or not the statistics have been padded, complications downplayed, etc. rather than give the appearance of trying to distract from these issues, which generally tends to give the appearance of a cover-up.

Covid can not only increase damage to kidneys, but increase the damage from pre-existing kidney disease, including mortality.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33150973/
She may or may not have had covid, a negative test is not always definitive, depending.

In early April 2020, in the u.s., there was also a shortage of tests for covid, so I would not be surprised if doctors missed some cases of covid and attributed death to something else, or had to make an educated guess in some cases which looked like covid, but perhaps were not. Was there a large scale effort to mislead or mislable deaths? well, we'd have to see some evidence before making a leap to a conclusion like that. Certainly not just based on some ancecdotal comments.

This is the kind of response I've been pointing to as suggestive of trying to distract from any discussion that involves questioning the preferred narratives around covid, which generally tends to give the appearance of a cover-up.

It seems to me you are unwilling to accept what's presented in the news, unless it agrees with the preferred narrative.

Here, you also seem to be trying to suggest we shouldn't trust what the autopsy says - presumably because of the inconclusive test prior to her death. (Or, are you suggesting that her autopsy result should be dismissed as anecdotal?) Seems definitive to me:

A report from the Palm Beach County Medical examiner obtained by CBS12 News shows that a young Wellington nurse believed to have passed from COVID-19, was never infected with the virus at all.

The report shows that 33-year-old Danielle DiCenso died from "complications of acute pyelonephritis," otherwise known as a kidney infection.

Trust the science, right?

We know hers wasn't the only case:
https://cbs12.com/news/local/i-team-dea ... ach-county

The link I provided earlier discusses the over and under reporting of covid deaths, and yes, we'd have to see some good evidence to come to a conclusion there was intentional padding of statistics. Often, evidence comes to light because people are discussing it. Discussing it is not the same thing as "leaping to a conclusion".

It seems to me the vaccine hesitant folk I talk to genuinely prefer honest discussion of the questions being raised, rather than insinuations that this discussion is somehow the equivalent of leaping to conclusions "based on some anecdotal comments".

[Thinktank]

...rise in leukemia and other cancers....

You might need one of these.
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I wouldn't be mocking people if I were you.

I guarantee you there will be a rise in diabetes in the kids after these vaccines. Guarantee.

How do I know this? There has already been a rise in diabetes among children who got vaccinated according
to Gabriel Cousens in his book Cure for Diabetes. Want me to quote exactly?

[Silverstarqueen]

...rise in leukemia and other cancers....

You might need one of these.
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I wouldn't be mocking people if I were you.
I guarantee you there will be a rise in diabetes in the kids after these vaccines. Guarantee.
How do I know this? There has already been a rise in diabetes among children who got vaccinated according
to Gabriel Cousens in his book Cure for Diabetes. Want me to quote exactly?

Sure if he has actual evidence that the rate is higher than what might occur anyway in children.i.e. his source for this information.

[Kelownamade]

Based upon the comments and from people I know, the death rate is far higher than what's being reported. This is what you would expect if this was a depopulation event. They wouldn't report factual data. The people I know who died were under 50 years old. We are also seeing the NIH protocol is killing covid patients. They refuse to use vitamins and they also do not treat you until you are in extremely bad shape. The plan to use booster shots is what is going to cause more and more deaths. They do have 4 versions of each vaccine. One is a placebo, one is 33% one is 66% and the other is full strength. This is what causes more diverse reactions resulting in many people simply dismissing vaccine dangers. Do you see any weird data that concerns you? There was a video of a army doctor and she said there were 20 military that died from covid and already more than that who died from the vaccine. She also said she saw 1700% rise in leukemia and other cancers. I'm wondering why you seem to trust a new form of vaccine which they skipped the human trials with. The monkeys they tested all died. Are you concerned that they do not consider you vaccinated until 15 days after being vaccinated... This is causing the deaths soon after being injected to be counted as unvaccinated.

You might need one of these.


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Are you suggesting that seeking data and analyzing it to find truth is a bad thing? Do you honestly believe Fauci and the mainstream narrative? They lie constantly and Fauci has been caught funding this virus. I'm trying to figure out why some people trust the government and extremely wealthy and ruthless people. These people in charge are crazy, Bezos literally runs his company as if his employees are slaves. Gates has done horrible things to business partners and his employees hated him. Have you ever met stuck up wealthy people? They believe they are far superior than people with less money. Do you agree that they are pushing human caused global warming? Don't you see the connection to all these points? They are basically killing off millions or billions of people for the "Greater good" Have you heard that statement before? If you aren't at least questioning whether this is possible, you are being irresponsible. These things have happened before and at least this time we have the internet to stay educated. Funny thing is, some people are lazy and they are literally walking themselves into the slaughter house.

[Bsuds]

How do I know this? There has already been a rise in diabetes among children who got vaccinated according
to Gabriel Cousens in his book Cure for Diabetes. Want me to quote exactly?

I did a bit of research on this Guy and wouldn't give much credence to anything he says.

[Bsuds]

Are you suggesting that seeking data and analyzing it to find truth is a bad thing?

No, it's finding the truth part that many seem to have trouble with.

The conspiracy theories are rampant on the internet and on here.

[Silverstarqueen]

Based upon the comments and from people I know, the death rate is far higher than what's being reported. This is what you would expect if this was a depopulation event. They wouldn't report factual data. The people I know who died were under 50 years old. We are also seeing the NIH protocol is killing covid patients. They refuse to use vitamins and they also do not treat you until you are in extremely bad shape. The plan to use booster shots is what is going to cause more and more deaths. They do have 4 versions of each vaccine. One is a placebo, one is 33% one is 66% and the other is full strength. This is what causes more diverse reactions resulting in many people simply dismissing vaccine dangers. Do you see any weird data that concerns you? There was a video of a army doctor and she said there were 20 military that died from covid and already more than that who died from the vaccine. She also said she saw 1700% rise in leukemia and other cancers. I'm wondering why you seem to trust a new form of vaccine which they skipped the human trials with. The monkeys they tested all died. Are you concerned that they do not consider you vaccinated until 15 days after being vaccinated... This is causing the deaths soon after being injected to be counted as unvaccinated.

https://www.facebook.com/wxyzdetroit/po ... 967261135/

Without a source for some of your claims e.g. the military one, just telling stories is not evidence of anything. There were no monkey trials where a bunch died, but if you have a legitamate source for that, let's have a look. Just you saying these things really smacks of spinning tales, or repeating falsehoods (which you might believe) from random websites with no verification. There a scientific studies that cover things like side effects of medical treatments, that would be fine too if you have the source for those. Unless I read the study myself, I tend to be very skeptical of any claims for or against something like a vaccine or treatment for covid. There's just been so much false information, that no one can just take these statements at face value without seeing the evidence.

The military would also have to weight the risks/benefits of a covid vaccine, against the risks of actually contracting the disease in its members.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pent ... accinated/

[Bsuds]

There's just been so much false information, that no one can just take these statements at face value without seeing the evidence.

I would wager they don't have any real believable evidence.

[Kelownamade]

Based upon the comments and from people I know, the death rate is far higher than what's being reported. This is what you would expect if this was a depopulation event. They wouldn't report factual data. The people I know who died were under 50 years old. We are also seeing the NIH protocol is killing covid patients. They refuse to use vitamins and they also do not treat you until you are in extremely bad shape. The plan to use booster shots is what is going to cause more and more deaths. They do have 4 versions of each vaccine. One is a placebo, one is 33% one is 66% and the other is full strength. This is what causes more diverse reactions resulting in many people simply dismissing vaccine dangers. Do you see any weird data that concerns you? There was a video of a army doctor and she said there were 20 military that died from covid and already more than that who died from the vaccine. She also said she saw 1700% rise in leukemia and other cancers. I'm wondering why you seem to trust a new form of vaccine which they skipped the human trials with. The monkeys they tested all died. Are you concerned that they do not consider you vaccinated until 15 days after being vaccinated... This is causing the deaths soon after being injected to be counted as unvaccinated.

https://www.facebook.com/wxyzdetroit/po ... 967261135/

Without a source for some of your claims e.g. the military one, just telling stories is not evidence of anything. There were no monkey trials where a bunch died, but if you have a legitamate source for that, let's have a look. Just you saying these things really smacks of spinning tales, or repeating falsehoods (which you might believe) from random websites with no verification. There a scientific studies that cover things like side effects of medical treatments, that would be fine too if you have the source for those. Unless I read the study myself, I tend to be very skeptical of any claims for or against something like a vaccine or treatment for covid. There's just been so much false information, that no one can just take these statements at face value without seeing the evidence.

The military would also have to weight the risks/benefits of a covid vaccine, against the risks of actually contracting the disease in its members.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pent ... accinated/

It appears that you aren't looking for the truth as if you were, you would be listening to the doctors and experts who are being censored and at least listen to their opinion. We are dealing with an unknown experiment and the actions are very tyrannical. Doesn't that concern you? Do you honestly believe that after vaccinating 70% of the population, that is when cases should rise? This is completely contradictory science. I am not going to spend time finding all the links. I have invested 100s of hours listening to both sides of this debate and I don't want to waste more by providing links which you will likely claim are not accurate because the media said so. Just like the drugs that are shown effective when used but the studies say otherwise. Who paid for those studies? Have studies been fraudulent before? Why are the media calling ivermectin horse deworming paste when it was created and used in humans first? This type of propaganda is highly suspicious. Just remember that if you do not listen to experts who are banned, you are being mind controlled. Anyone who wants the truth would at least listen to experts on both sides. Unless that individual isn't confident in making a decision themselves.

[Kelownamade]

There's just been so much false information, that no one can just take these statements at face value without seeing the evidence.

I would wager they don't have any real believable evidence.

I'm just glad I don't have to live around you. Your arrogance and attitude is that of a negative person who would likely be toxic and unhappy.

[Silverstarqueen]

Sometimes there's a grain of half truth, then it gets passed around and embellished. eg. there was a report of about 23 military personnel who developed myocarditis. It was mild and they recovered, but it could get passed on as a story where someone thinks these guys died of some heart condition.
Same goes for the stories of Kids getting diabetes from the vaccine. Diabetes can occur in children, and sometimes it can occur after a viral infection (covid has been known to cause diabetes in adults). so without seeing the actual what happened and how it was determined, I'd take these claims with a grain of salt.

[Silverstarqueen]

Without a source for some of your claims e.g. the military one, just telling stories is not evidence of anything. There were no monkey trials where a bunch died, but if you have a legitamate source for that, let's have a look. Just you saying these things really smacks of spinning tales, or repeating falsehoods (which you might believe) from random websites with no verification. There a scientific studies that cover things like side effects of medical treatments, that would be fine too if you have the source for those. Unless I read the study myself, I tend to be very skeptical of any claims for or against something like a vaccine or treatment for covid. There's just been so much false information, that no one can just take these statements at face value without seeing the evidence.

The military would also have to weight the risks/benefits of a covid vaccine, against the risks of actually contracting the disease in its members.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pent ... accinated/

It appears that you aren't looking for the truth as if you were, you would be listening to the doctors and experts who are being censored and at least listen to their opinion. We are dealing with an unknown experiment and the actions are very tyrannical. Doesn't that concern you? Do you honestly believe that after vaccinating 70% of the population, that is when cases should rise? This is completely contradictory science. I am not going to spend time finding all the links. I have invested 100s of hours listening to both sides of this debate and I don't want to waste more by providing links which you will likely claim are not accurate because the media said so. Just like the drugs that are shown effective when used but the studies say otherwise. Who paid for those studies? Have studies been fraudulent before? Why are the media calling ivermectin horse deworming paste when it was created and used in humans first? This type of propaganda is highly suspicious. Just remember that if you do not listen to experts who are banned, you are being mind controlled. Anyone who wants the truth would at least listen to experts on both sides. Unless that individual isn't confident in making a decision themselves.

You are not giving me any expert evidence, you just saying you heard about something means nothing. If you can give us the links, we can assess for ourselves how credible these sources are. I am not saying they are true or untrue. I am saying they are just your words, until there is actual evidence, and you are not providing it.
A good example was someone yesterday who posted a video by a doctor who did a review of studies of ivermectin for covid. But the guy who did the review relied quite heavily on a study which has been since proved to have used fabricated data. So that study is toast. 'the review is toast. The video will be passed around hundreds of times, but it's useless now as support for Ivermectin.That doesn't mean I'm not open to reading a good study , large scale, random controlled on the use of ivermectin for covid, if one turns up. But I would need the link.
A few days ago someone posted that 90% of the seirious covid cases in Israelis hospitals were fully vaccinated. When I looked it up for myself, the fact was 90% of the serious covid cases in Israel were UNvaccinated. So you can see my problem. we can't find the truth just by sharing stories without the actual information.

[nanita]

Without a source for some of your claims e.g. the military one, just telling stories is not evidence of anything. There were no monkey trials where a bunch died, but if you have a legitamate source for that, let's have a look.

The funny thing is, I posted a video of a pediatrician testifying to congress about the vaccines - she made available to the members documentation regarding the disastrous animal trials. They weren't monkeys, I believe they were ferrets.

You refused to watch the video because it was posted on a platform you are 'suspicious' of - IIRC it was BitChute. To repeat, it was a US government hearing, but you just. didn't. like. the hosting platform.

Anyway. My point is, and I think it's pretty obvious, that you desperately want the vaccines to be Good. Effective. Necessary.

It's also pretty obvious WHY that is so important to you (Covid arm, anyone?).

The thing is, even YOUR narrative has shifted. A few months ago you made multiple posts about the vaccines stopping you from getting Covid. You've made many posts about 99% of patients being unvaccinated. You've made countless posts stating that the vaccines are incredibly safe.

And you've had to walk back each and every one of those assertions. Which is awesome! Frankly, I find your posts fascinating, and look forward to seeing where you are going to go from here.

When people look up the term 'sunk cost fallacy' in the dictionary, your photo should appear. And one day, when this is all a distant memory, and a) my activities are permitted to resume or b) I start my new life in the re-education camps, I will remember your posts and all the hours you spent finding and interpreting statistics and posting them even with a bad arm. Amazing.