BKR. Vaccine Hesitant

[Poindexter]

I agree. It is absolutely their job to know what the effective treatments and drugs are, and to choose what they feel is appropriate. While you may feel differently, if my life was on the line, then I wouldn't want my doctor to be choosing my treatments based on what they read on facebook.

The regulatory with which Kelownamade says things that make you say hmm and their willingness to take the consequences of being so absurd makes me wonder if their entire persona is for giggles at the expense of those who take this seriously.

Fact is they keep the conversation going so not entirely bad but it does make this entire debate pointless.

[Silverstarqueen]

Yes, I would demand better studies for a drug which has does NOT have 40 years of success in treating covid.
At least the same standards of success as the vaccines have shown. There are people who have shown side effects to IM too, so all that still has to be investigated.
And, I don't know how I feel about giving the vaccine to 12 year olds, I haven't mulled the data on that, but I do think there are children at risk who right now cannot get the vaccine until further safety trials are completed. If I were a parent, I'd be very anxious to get those results as soon as possible.
The Ramirez story was not suppressed, I found it quite easily online. Whatever issues he had with Gofundme, are not clear. The boy is gone, so what are they raising money for? I don't know. If he was still alive, but disabled for life he could probably get some people to donate to him, even if he did not make it a battle over pfizer .

here's relevant data.
Frontline doctors are having success with ivermectin and the other products recommended in the protocol.
since the vaccines were administered cases and deaths have gone vertical.

There is no more data needed.

We already know the vaccine manufacturers are willing to lie for profit.

Time will tell. You are entitled to your opinion. I just cannot ignore the facts as well as the tyranny being used to push a dangerous product.

"There is no more data needed" lol, you will not find a single science base researcher who claims that.
This really shows a closed mind. No one knows the opitmal dose, not nearly enough data, precious few decent well-designed studies. so let's just throw further studies out the window and see if any country can beat Peru's unfortunately terrible death rate having used IM so widely. Why did Peruvian leader and health officials snatch the vaccine for themselves?
The facts are: the vaccine has shown very good results, you certainly don't have to take it if you don't want to, but IM definitely needs more research, and data to support it.

[liisgo]

Canada Food Guide. ParticipAction. Just two examples of government sponsored initiatives. Eat right and exercise. We all know that mantra. We all say meh..mañana...too busy. Too easy just to get take-out. We know it's loaded with salt and sugar and preservatives. But it's so good. And fast and easy. Maybe we'll make a resolution for next year. But for now...

All very laudable sentiments from you. But reality just isn't. So for this nightmare, if it just takes a shot to minimize ones chances of ending up in hospital...sign us up. We can do that.

We all look for the easy button. The silver bullet. Alas.

As seen in those posted links, Canada, like the US, is listed as one of the most vulnerable countries in the world to be effected by such flu's as Covid. It is clearly shown who is most vulnerable to this, who is needing ICU and who dies from this.
The obvious is that no one during this is looking at the real Pandemic, how vulnerable we have become. All because of the complete lack of respect we have put onto the health of our people.
During this all, no mention from the government, nothing from media, and definitely not from the covid Karens out there.
Yes, for a lot of people take your shot.
For all the Covid Karens out there, time to wake up and see how vulnerable you have become. Your children as well.
The answer for this and the future flu's is being completely ignored and not respected in place of a future of manufactured shots. This is very, very wrong. For media to ignore it is wrong. For government to ignore it in fear of shaming is wrong.
The reason we are in this pandemic is because of the real pandemic that we have been creating ourselves.
Shame on anyone condemning people who have been taking protective measures all long. Meaning taking their health seriousily.
I dont need a passport to go for fast food but I do to go to the gym?
I surely hope and would love to see us more towards acknowledging the poor position we have created for our selves and start dealing with actually protecting ourselves now and in the future.
Thanks for the word, "laudable", had to look it up. I'll use it now that I know what it means.

[harblz]

Being so absurd makes me wonder if their entire persona is for giggles at the expense of those who take this seriously.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

[I Think]

Anti vaxxers are collapsing our health care system for everyone. Alberta which has been promoting republican style responses to covid is now asking the military for help staffing hospitals which are being over run by anti vaxxers needing care for their covid.

[Jonrox]

There is no more data needed.

Some studies show Ivermectin causes impotency. I'd say maybe gathering a little more data is warranted, even if it's an effective treatment for Covid.

[DoubleB12]

https://www.castanet.net/news/West-Kelo ... -19#346227

Here is a story of an elderly couple that survived their C19 battle. At about the 30 second mark in the video it's revealed that they started to feel better after their 1st dose of the vaccine kicked in!! So as their story goes they are using their ordeal to encourage anyone not jabbed to get jabbed. Being a case of survival, this is a good thing and though (highly likely due to their age) they still feel some affects of the virus. We need the "pro-side" to go easy on this couple for their decision to not vax early on when they would have been part of the 1st groups to be inline at the start of the rollout.

Remember nothing was forced, they made a choice, thus had to go through that ordeal but they made it through. That is a positive outcome. All of this doom and gloom being shown on the media nowadays portraying the worst outcome is getting old. Yes I understand its 2-part meaning, show what may happen and the possible worst result, and an attempt to change the minds of those not vax'd to get vax'd. Everyone knows the risks involved, as did this couple and thankfully (but very unfortunate for others) they are now part of the 98% that survive!!

[Muzza]

^^^
It appears they got sick 6 months ago, so it may have been before they could get their shot. It's not really clear.....

[spooker]

There is no more data needed.

Some studies show Ivermectin causes impotency. I'd say maybe gathering a little more data is warranted, even if it's an effective treatment for Covid.

Not impotency but decreases sperm motility, effectively rendering a male infertile ... but the study has had some pushback as to methodologies and other inconsistencies so it's not as useful a way to push back on Ivermectin, first saw it a few weeks ago and hoped that it would help change some minds but couldn't quite find enough validation for these findings ...

The fact that it was given to prisoners without their knowledge is something even scarier with Ivermectin ...

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/covid-pat ... l-n1278729

[DoubleB12]

^^^
It appears they got sick 6 months ago, so it may have been before they could get their shot. It's not really clear.....

So that would have been about March 2021. First dose in BC was given in mid-dec.2020 so based on their age it's highly likely they would have been eligible for 1st and possibly 2nd.

[Muzza]

^^^
My 90 year old mother was not eligible until mid March, 2021, so no, 2020 is not likely.

[Silverstarqueen]

Yes, the happy dances in Dec.2020 were a bit deceptive (although they didn't plan on the production problems that arrived a little later). At any rate there were some in LTC homes, and some healthcare workers who were vaccinated first. That took a few months. Then they eventually got to the community elders, in March, April etc. So there were plenty of at risk elderly in the community who didn't get a crack at a vaccination till April-May.

So given all the seniors and elderly in the community, that would tally up to nearly 1 million. If even 10% of those were going to end up in hospital (without a vaccine), that would have been a heavy load for b.c. hospitals, especially if the hit had not been dragged out/delayed by the measures taken to slow the spread (tracking, tracing, etc). B.c.'s death rate would have been much higher. It's great when a couple of seniors manage to survive, but this would not have worked on a large scale without everything else that was being done for over a year.

[Zedi]

Well if folks are living that healthy life (and get vaccinated) their chance of ending up in a hospital is greatly reduced. They can stay home with no case of covid or a relatively mild case of covid and take all the vitamins or horse wormer they want.
Incidentally Ivermectin earned someone a Nobel prize for it's use as an anti-parasitic, not as a treatment for covid. I can't even find a trial where IM was great for any other viral disease either. So far there have been no large-ish random control studies which showed much if any benefit. Oh, maybe some people got better by a couple of days, who had a mild case anyway. (unless you count the trial that faked their data to make Ivermectin look good)

With a vaccine you won't likely end up in hospital anyway, but you can still take your horse wormer if you choose.(not that I am recommending it). Doctors who are treating covid now CAN use whatever drugs are effective. There is nothing stopping them. But they also arent' going to be using covid patients as guinea pigs (unless they are part of a trial and agree to it).

If your statement was factual, then the 16 year old boy who was healthy would not have died within a week. Once again you trust the studies which are bought and paid for. If Ivermectin wasn't highly effective in the real world, doctors would not be using it. You seem to refuse that there is large scale corruption. You are stuck in words on the internet over censored doctors telling you it works through the ability for zinc to enter the cell. You appears to be like many doctors. Its appears your mind isn't that of a problem solver rather a mind that repeats data and ends up with ineffective results. You clearly hate ivermectin as you still call it something the media labels it in order to discredit it. I am so surprised at the selfishness of some people. They would rather protect their poor decision then accept their mistakes and move to help support society.

What 16 year old boy are you talking about? This one in the mainstream media?
https://people.com/health/16-year-old-d ... -covid-19/
Any death is tragic and I feel for the family as we have all experienced the loss of a loved one. If you are obese you are not healthy! If you are obese you are more likely to end up in hospital or die than somebody with the recommended BMI and that lives a healthy lifestyle. Don't hear much of that talk from public health officials or the media. I wonder why? You think it would be a big part of the conversation.

[Silverstarqueen]

Public health education does indeed include a) school curricula about nutrition and exercise b) advertisments about participaction c) announcements about the dangers of street drugs and addiction d)lately a little more mention of mental health, not sure if there's an actual difference in services. Anyone who doesn't know that exercise and good diet, social networks, are key to better health must have been living under a rock for the last 60 years. Some doctors will mention it, but they generally wait for the patient to indicate that they want more information because they get accused of bugging their patients to exercise or lose weight.
I am not sure what you want public health to do about people moving toward better health choices, since each person's situation, physical abilities, nutritional needs are quite different.

[Kelownamade]

If your statement was factual, then the 16 year old boy who was healthy would not have died within a week. Once again you trust the studies which are bought and paid for. If Ivermectin wasn't highly effective in the real world, doctors would not be using it. You seem to refuse that there is large scale corruption. You are stuck in words on the internet over censored doctors telling you it works through the ability for zinc to enter the cell. You appears to be like many doctors. Its appears your mind isn't that of a problem solver rather a mind that repeats data and ends up with ineffective results. You clearly hate ivermectin as you still call it something the media labels it in order to discredit it. I am so surprised at the selfishness of some people. They would rather protect their poor decision then accept their mistakes and move to help support society.

What 16 year old boy are you talking about? This one in the mainstream media?
https://people.com/health/16-year-old-d ... -covid-19/
Any death is tragic and I feel for the family as we have all experienced the loss of a loved one. If you are obese you are not healthy! If you are obese you are more likely to end up in hospital or die than somebody with the recommended BMI and that lives a healthy lifestyle. Don't hear much of that talk from public health officials or the media. I wonder why? You think it would be a big part of the conversation.

No that is not the boy. The boy I am referring to was not obese.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ernest+ramire ... 042648.jpg

This is not rare and it's horrible that people think children dying is worth it when this vaccine is not effective. The people in Florida getting the Monoclodal antibody's are 50% vaccinated. Why? well they are getting ill and dying. This is pure insanity and the fact Pfizer is rushing to inject children under 12 is pure evil. Anyone who thinks this is good is purely delusional.