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So, who are to to believe. Canada's own health website list's at the bottom, the 2nd most contributing factor to covid severity, after age. When it actually gets around to addressing it, it is merely just a single sentence with no respect to its obvious contribution to our burden and people's personal health. It also changes the guidelines that are similar between all other medical organizations for rating BMI. Drastically too.
BMI 40 or higher is the rating for obesity, as shown by health canada. WHO, CDC, Science.org, university studies, any other countries website list it at, 30.
So, our country, needs to change numbers to compensate for obvious fear of addressing its own countries citizens and dangerous factors to dealing with covid. So why does Canada need to ignore at all levels people's health and protection from disease? What's at play. So, this spring, multiple studies clearly show 77% of covid hospitalizations have the common proven contributing factor to severe covid. Vaccination does not change any of these findings. And we ignore it all.
Sounds political.

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But on its own, "BMI [body mass index] remains a strong independent risk factor" for severe COVID-19, according to several studies that adjusted for age, sex, social class, diabetes, and heart conditions, says Naveed Sattar, an expert in cardiometabolic disease at the University of Glasgow. "And it seems to be a linear line, straight up."

The impact extends to the 32% of people in the United States who are overweight. The largest descriptive study yet of hospitalized U.S. COVID-19 patients, posted as a preprint last month by Genentech researchers, found that 77% of nearly 17,000 patients hospitalized with COVID-19 were overweight (29%) or obese (48%). (The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention defines overweight as having a BMI of 25 to 29.9 kilograms per square meter, and obesity as a BMI of 30 or greater.)

Another study captured the rate of COVID-19 hospitalizations among more than 334,000 people in England. Published last month in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, it found that although the rate peaked in people with a BMI of 35 or greater, it began to rise as soon as someone tipped into the overweight category. "Many people don't realize they creep into that overweight category," says first author Mark Hamer, an exercise physiologist at University College London.

The danger of extra kilos
Among 334,000 people in England this spring, the chances of being hospitalized with COVID-19 increased steadily with their body mass index (BMI).
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Normal weightBMI 18.5–25 kg/square meter
OverweightBMI 25–<30
Stage 1 obesityBMI 30–<35
Stage 2 obesityBMI >35
20
10
30
40
50
COVID-19 hospital admissions per 10,000 people
HAMER ET AL., PNAS, 10.1073/PNAS.2011086117
The physical pathologies that render people with obesity vulnerable to severe COVID-19 begin with mechanics: Fat in the abdomen pushes up on the diaphragm, causing that large muscle, which lies below the chest cavity, to impinge on the lungs and restrict airflow. This reduced lung volume leads to collapse of airways in the lower lobes of the lungs, where more blood arrives for oxygenation than in the upper lobes. "If you are already starting [with] this mismatch, you are going to get worse faster" from COVID-19, Dixon says.

Other issues compound these mechanical problems. For starters, the blood of people with obesity has an increased tendency to clot—an especially grave risk during an infection that, when severe, independently peppers the small vessels of the lungs with clots. In healthy people, "the endothelial cells that line the blood vessels are normally saying to the surrounding blood: ‘Don't clot,'" says Beverley Hunt, a physician-scientist who's an expert in blood clotting at Guy's and St. Thomas' hospitals in London. But "we think that signaling is being changed by COVID," Hunt says, because the virus injures endothelial cells, which respond to the insult by activating the coagulation system.

Add obesity to the mix, and the clotting risk shoots up. In COVID-19 patients with obesity, Hunt says, "You've got such sticky blood, oh my—the stickiest blood I have ever seen in all my years of practice."

Immunity also weakens in people with obesity, in part because fat cells infiltrate the organs where immune cells are produced and stored, such as the spleen, bone marrow, and thymus, says Catherine Andersen, a nutritional scientist at Fairfield University. "We are losing immune tissue in exchange for adipose tissue, making the immune system less effective in either protecting the body from pathogens or responding to a vaccine," she says."
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Pfizer has been challenged by two countries to prove their product works.
They instead chose to withdraw mRNA from both to avoid proving anything. For a company so confident it works, why would they walk away so quickly from India and Uruguay?
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liisgo wrote: Jul 5th, 2022, 8:16 am So, who are to to believe. Canada's own health website list's at the bottom, the 2nd most contributing factor to covid severity, after age. When it actually gets around to addressing it, it is merely just a single sentence with no respect to its obvious contribution to our burden and people's personal health. It also changes the guidelines that are similar between all other medical organizations for rating BMI. Drastically too.
BMI 40 or higher is the rating for obesity, as shown by health canada. WHO, CDC, Science.org, university studies, any other countries website list it at, 30.
So, our country, needs to change numbers to compensate for obvious fear of addressing its own countries citizens and dangerous factors to dealing with covid. So why does Canada need to ignore at all levels people's health and protection from disease? What's at play. So, this spring, multiple studies clearly show 77% of covid hospitalizations have the common proven contributing factor to severe covid. Vaccination does not change any of these findings. And we ignore it all.
Sounds political.

"
But on its own, "BMI [body mass index] remains a strong independent risk factor" for severe COVID-19, according to several studies that adjusted for age, sex, social class, diabetes, and heart conditions, says Naveed Sattar, an expert in cardiometabolic disease at the University of Glasgow. "And it seems to be a linear line, straight up."

The impact extends to the 32% of people in the United States who are overweight. The largest descriptive study yet of hospitalized U.S. COVID-19 patients, posted as a preprint last month by Genentech researchers, found that 77% of nearly 17,000 patients hospitalized with COVID-19 were overweight (29%) or obese (48%). (The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention defines overweight as having a BMI of 25 to 29.9 kilograms per square meter, and obesity as a BMI of 30 or greater.)

Another study captured the rate of COVID-19 hospitalizations among more than 334,000 people in England. Published last month in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, it found that although the rate peaked in people with a BMI of 35 or greater, it began to rise as soon as someone tipped into the overweight category. "Many people don't realize they creep into that overweight category," says first author Mark Hamer, an exercise physiologist at University College London.

The danger of extra kilos
Among 334,000 people in England this spring, the chances of being hospitalized with COVID-19 increased steadily with their body mass index (BMI).
0
Normal weightBMI 18.5–25 kg/square meter
OverweightBMI 25–<30
Stage 1 obesityBMI 30–<35
Stage 2 obesityBMI >35
20
10
30
40
50
COVID-19 hospital admissions per 10,000 people
HAMER ET AL., PNAS, 10.1073/PNAS.2011086117
The physical pathologies that render people with obesity vulnerable to severe COVID-19 begin with mechanics: Fat in the abdomen pushes up on the diaphragm, causing that large muscle, which lies below the chest cavity, to impinge on the lungs and restrict airflow. This reduced lung volume leads to collapse of airways in the lower lobes of the lungs, where more blood arrives for oxygenation than in the upper lobes. "If you are already starting [with] this mismatch, you are going to get worse faster" from COVID-19, Dixon says.

Other issues compound these mechanical problems. For starters, the blood of people with obesity has an increased tendency to clot—an especially grave risk during an infection that, when severe, independently peppers the small vessels of the lungs with clots. In healthy people, "the endothelial cells that line the blood vessels are normally saying to the surrounding blood: ‘Don't clot,'" says Beverley Hunt, a physician-scientist who's an expert in blood clotting at Guy's and St. Thomas' hospitals in London. But "we think that signaling is being changed by COVID," Hunt says, because the virus injures endothelial cells, which respond to the insult by activating the coagulation system.

Add obesity to the mix, and the clotting risk shoots up. In COVID-19 patients with obesity, Hunt says, "You've got such sticky blood, oh my—the stickiest blood I have ever seen in all my years of practice."

Immunity also weakens in people with obesity, in part because fat cells infiltrate the organs where immune cells are produced and stored, such as the spleen, bone marrow, and thymus, says Catherine Andersen, a nutritional scientist at Fairfield University. "We are losing immune tissue in exchange for adipose tissue, making the immune system less effective in either protecting the body from pathogens or responding to a vaccine," she says."
Many athletes have a BMI of 30, it's not even a very good measure of obesity. So reasonable to set the "obesity" rate higher, because it's people at BMI 40 and up who are unquestionably obese, and also more importantly have a higher risk of death. You meantion nothing about the "obesity paradox" where people who are just moderately higher BMI actually have a higher rate of survival than would be predicted. Also for the vast majority at really high risk, the very frail, elderly, the whole "obesity vs covid outcomes" is not an issue.
"Well, if we just ignore the age risk factor, obesity is the real problem", is a silly argument because age (given it's common accumulation of health conditions) IS the main cause of serious cases, hospitalizations, ICU, death.
UNLESS, of course whether overweight or aged, heart condition or diabetes, people just stay up to date on their vaccinations, they can enjoy a much reduced chance of complications from Covid!
Still, we (Canada, the u.s. wherever) have shown that the vast majority of overweight people will NOT die from covid (get those vaccines folks!). Must be 150 million overweight people in Canada + u.s., and yet even in the u.s. they only have 1 million covid deaths (they can't all be obese either). So our countries' people must be doing something right.
Vaccination does indeed change the risks for people who are overweight, or have underlying risk factors, or are of higher risk age. So yes, vaccination does affect the findings greatly. Being UNvaccinated is a risk factor!
Oh, and that risk of clotting being higher in obese covid patients: I posted a study some time ago that showed if those patients were given anti-clotting medications in a timely way, their risk was similar to other people in same age/risk category.
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featfan wrote: Jul 5th, 2022, 12:17 pm Pfizer has been challenged by two countries to prove their product works.
They instead chose to withdraw mRNA from both to avoid proving anything. For a company so confident it works, why would they walk away so quickly from India and Uruguay?

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Because either the governments of those countries want the vaccine or they don't.

Any country without the vaccine as offered is going to end up just like North Korea.

Have you been watching the devastating effects that Covid is having on North Korea?
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featfan wrote: Jul 5th, 2022, 12:17 pm Pfizer has been challenged by two countries to prove their product works.
They instead chose to withdraw mRNA from both to avoid proving anything. For a company so confident it works, why would they walk away so quickly from India and Uruguay?

pfi.jpg
Article (which you didn't link) doesn't say that they walked away. Says a judge made an order asking for some very odd stuff.

Probably yet another poorly translated article
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LordEd wrote: Jul 5th, 2022, 1:44 pm
featfan wrote: Jul 5th, 2022, 12:17 pm Pfizer has been challenged by two countries to prove their product works.
They instead chose to withdraw mRNA from both to avoid proving anything. For a company so confident it works, why would they walk away so quickly from India and Uruguay?

pfi.jpg
Article (which you didn't link) doesn't say that they walked away. Says a judge made an order asking for some very odd stuff.

Probably yet another poorly translated article
What is odd about their request? Is it the proof of efficacy thats odd?
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LordEd wrote: Jul 5th, 2022, 1:44 pm
featfan wrote: Jul 5th, 2022, 12:17 pm Pfizer has been challenged by two countries to prove their product works.
They instead chose to withdraw mRNA from both to avoid proving anything. For a company so confident it works, why would they walk away so quickly from India and Uruguay?

pfi.jpg
Article (which you didn't link) doesn't say that they walked away. Says a judge made an order asking for some very odd stuff.

Probably yet another poorly translated article
Pfizer did their trials as required by the FDA. and FDA is publishing the tens of thousands of pages of documents related to the trials, as ordered by the courts. So any country which wants to analyze further data e.g. looking at Canada, or many other countries which used Pfizer, they can run their own studies, or analyses. India, I believe has it's own version of one of the covid vaccines, so why would they need pfizer's? If a country doesn't like the Pfizer vaccine, they have a choice of several others.
"The 95% efficacy rate is based on the finding that among the 18198 people who had received the vaccine, 8 among them had tested positive for Covid-19 a week after the second dose of the vaccine, compare to 162 people testing positive in the placebo group."
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Zedi wrote: Jul 5th, 2022, 1:58 pm
LordEd wrote: Jul 5th, 2022, 1:44 pm
Article (which you didn't link) doesn't say that they walked away. Says a judge made an order asking for some very odd stuff.

Probably yet another poorly translated article
What is odd about their request? Is it the proof of efficacy thats odd?
It's the demand for evidence of nanotechnology and graphine oxides.

But you didn't read that. Or bother to look. Or even verify that such an order exists.

Im not 100% sure it exists. Forced to go off unknown media.
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Zedi wrote: Jul 5th, 2022, 1:58 pm
LordEd wrote: Jul 5th, 2022, 1:44 pm
Article (which you didn't link) doesn't say that they walked away. Says a judge made an order asking for some very odd stuff.

Probably yet another poorly translated article
What is odd about their request? Is it the proof of efficacy thats odd?
The PROOF is in the results that are published and easily accessible to everyone.
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"Pfizer has been challenged by countries" LMAO
Every country has a process of negotiating terms of vaccine rollout, costs, timing, supply. The main "challenge" Pfizer has had is meeting the demand for BILLIONS of doses within the first year of rollout, to dozens of countries, in the middle of a pandemic with flight delays and cancellations, a pretty expensive and logistical nightmare. That last thing they want is the vaccine's quality control being affected by the vagaries of poorer countries refrigeration and delivery systems, expiry dates coming up, then claims the vaccine didn't work as advertised.
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LordEd wrote: Jul 5th, 2022, 2:20 pm
Zedi wrote: Jul 5th, 2022, 1:58 pm

What is odd about their request? Is it the proof of efficacy thats odd?
It's the demand for evidence of nanotechnology and graphine oxides.

But you didn't read that. Or bother to look. Or even verify that such an order exists.

Im not 100% sure it exists. Forced to go off unknown media.
Its a fair request. Wouldn't you want to know if there are unspecified material in the vaccine you are injecting into your body?
Oh ya, you take the experimental injection without question. I should have known better to ask you such a silly question.
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alanjh595 wrote: Jul 5th, 2022, 4:41 pm
Zedi wrote: Jul 5th, 2022, 1:58 pm

What is odd about their request? Is it the proof of efficacy thats odd?
The PROOF is in the results that are published and easily accessible to everyone.
Ya the trials Pfizer did. Don't forget they used RRR vs. ARR. But you don't care about how the study was done. You trust Pfizer. Are you pumped you will be taking an experimental shot every 9 months?
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Natural immunity is always better. Especially for children with a 99.99% survival rate

Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive spike-specific immune responses to SARS-CoV-2 infection

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-021-01089-8
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Austrian Minister of Health Confirms – Doctors Are Responsible for Vaccine Damage

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