Health choices

[UnknownResident]

Bread making has been around for thousands of years. All you need is flour, water, yeast, and maybe sugar.

When you read the back of ANY store bought bread there are at least 10 ingredients and half of them are chemicals or other preservatives. UnknownResident is correct in how they "enrich" bread.

I've baked my own bread for years. Not only does it taste better, and is better for me, but it probably costs about 10 cents a loaf instead of $4.

Avoid anything "enriched". It's a marketing gimmick not a reality.

That being said I consider Subway to be the only real 'healthy' fast food option. Worrying about carb intake is ridiculous, and the fact that you can at least get some vegetables with the meal is important. If you want to eat healthy just avoid processed foods - that's all.

This is either a matter of you don't really get it, or you don't really care. (store bought) Bread is processed to the max! How do you knock on processed bread and then turn around and say subway is healthy? That makes no sense. Literally 75% of a meal at subway is processed bread, and just because there's some veggies doesn't mean it's evens out to a plus for your health. You're blood sugar is still on track to diabetes.

Besides that, yes we have been eating bread for thousands of years, we've been evolving for millions. A few thousands years on our evolutionary track is really a very short time. And just because people before us did it doesn't make it the right thing to do.

[RR24K]

Here is my "golden rule" everything in moderation, except this 2 items sugars & salt less is better.

Home-made over purchased is better, reason is you know what you put in so you know what you should get out.

[Lycoming]

Bread making has been around for thousands of years. All you need is flour, water, yeast, and maybe sugar.

When you read the back of ANY store bought bread there are at least 10 ingredients and half of them are chemicals or other preservatives. UnknownResident is correct in how they "enrich" bread.

I've baked my own bread for years. Not only does it taste better, and is better for me, but it probably costs about 10 cents a loaf instead of $4.

Avoid anything "enriched". It's a marketing gimmick not a reality.

That being said I consider Subway to be the only real 'healthy' fast food option. Worrying about carb intake is ridiculous, and the fact that you can at least get some vegetables with the meal is important. If you want to eat healthy just avoid processed foods - that's all.

This is either a matter of you don't really get it, or you don't really care. (store bought) Bread is processed to the max! How do you knock on processed bread and then turn around and say subway is healthy? That makes no sense. Literally 75% of a meal at subway is processed bread, and just because there's some veggies doesn't mean it's evens out to a plus for your health. You're blood sugar is still on track to diabetes.

Besides that, yes we have been eating bread for thousands of years, we've been evolving for millions. A few thousands years on our evolutionary track is really a very short time. And just because people before us did it doesn't make it the right thing to do.

Wow literacy is at an all time low. I'm agreeing with you, champ. Store bought bread sucks, and while Subway falls into this category it's the lesser of many evils. To claim that eating Subway bread will put you on track for diabetes makes you sound like an Atkins diet nut. It's way better than a greaseburger with fries which has zero vegetables in it and a load of fat.

Only fools worry about carbs and sugar. Sugar is energy and if you use it all then it doesn't matter how much you take in. Basic math, basic biochemistry. It's obvious you're a university student trying to prove something, and you're doing it all wrong.

If Subway bread is bad, and you claim that the bread humans have made for 1000's of years isn't the right thing to eat, what kind of bread is good then? Atkins nut. And no, that's not a type of bread : /

[V-Rated]

Very informative but the fact remains that if I am not able to get home to eat (I'm Type 2 Diabetic) Subway is one of the healthier choices for me to eat.

Well that's debatable. I'm studying all this stuff right now and I'm not quite at the diabetes part yet. Type 2 diabetes basically is insulin resistance. So you're already there, from years of eating processed carbohydrates and sugars. You're insulin is knocking on the cells door, but that cell ain't answering very easy! That's why you need that massive splash in your blood sugar aka a harder knock on the cell's door. That's what it takes for your cells to open up. That's the way I view it anyways, but like I said I'm not quite there yet.

How is this debatable?!?! He said it is one of the healthier choices for him to eat. I don't think it is fair to tell especially a diabetic what is right for them until as you said you are there yet

Off to the stupid people thread you go.

[Glacier]

Here is my "golden rule" everything in moderation, except this 2 items sugars & salt less is better.

Home-made over purchased is better, reason is you know what you put in so you know what you should get out.

Quite right, except, I would say that sugar and salt can be taken moderation; what is moderation for one is excess for another, if you know what I mean.

Also, overeating even the most healthy of foods is still unhealthy.

[Catz]

Very informative but the fact remains that if I am not able to get home to eat (I'm Type 2 Diabetic) Subway is one of the healthier choices for me to eat.

Well that's debatable. I'm studying all this stuff right now and I'm not quite at the diabetes part yet. Type 2 diabetes basically is insulin resistance. So you're already there, from years of eating processed carbohydrates and sugars. You're insulin is knocking on the cells door, but that cell ain't answering very easy! That's why you need that massive splash in your blood sugar aka a harder knock on the cell's door. That's what it takes for your cells to open up. That's the way I view it anyways, but like I said I'm not quite there yet.

How is this debatable?!?! He said it is one of the healthier choices for him to eat. I don't think it is fair to tell especially a diabetic what is right for them until as you said you are there yet

Off to the stupid people thread you go.

He/she is studying this right now, hence the 'I know everything cause it says so in the book'.
IMO, take some of the info, but realise they are studying it.
When I graduated many moons ago, I thought I knew everything...now that I am older and wiser...I know squat...LOL
I'll take subway anyday over fast food.

[UnknownResident]

You know, yes I am studying some aspects, I believe in constantly learning and growing. That being said I've worked in the health field for some time now. And even if my knowledge comes from books, that's how we learn you know? I've heard people say that a lot " well he's book smart" I think that applies a lot more to engineers and people like that. Either way, I'm pretty sure I have more book smarts, and more experience on diet related issues then most (or all) of you. Clearly somebody like V-Rated doesn't quite understand the subject - Yes I know less about diabetes then I would like too, but I know more then you. Before you say something dumb why don't you try to make a valid point, or do you not have any knowledge on this subject? Besides that, I didn't tell anyone what to eat, I explained why they are where they are. I'm not claiming to know everything, very far from it, I am however giving you the points against subway, and why it's not as healthy as people think it is. These are important points people should know, the fact is Subway is small bump above Burger King.

Bread->High Blood Sugar->High Insulin->Number of problems, stores fat, diabetes....

[Catz]

Ya...I agree, I know nothing, 26 years in health care, over 20 being an RN....pretty silly of me

[RR24K]

Here is my "golden rule" everything in moderation, except this 2 items sugars & salt less is better.

Home-made over purchased is better, reason is you know what you put in so you know what you should get out.

Quite right, except, I would say that sugar and salt can be taken moderation; what is moderation for one is excess for another, if you know what I mean.

Also, overeating even the most healthy of foods is still unhealthy.

Since salt intake is more than double the recommended amount and sugar is worst it no wonder. That heart disease, type 2 diabetes and high blood pressure numbers are so high. Cut your salt & sugar by 1/2 for a month and see how you feel.
I hear this a lot natural sugar is better than refined, guess what sugar is sugar.

[Catz]

Here is my "golden rule" everything in moderation, except this 2 items sugars & salt less is better.

Home-made over purchased is better, reason is you know what you put in so you know what you should get out.

Quite right, except, I would say that sugar and salt can be taken moderation; what is moderation for one is excess for another, if you know what I mean.

Also, overeating even the most healthy of foods is still unhealthy.

Since salt intake is more than double the recommended amount and sugar is worst it no wonder. That heart disease, type 2 diabetes and high blood pressure numbers are so high. Cut your salt & sugar by 1/2 for a month and see how you feel.
I hear this a lot natural sugar is better than refined, guess what sugar is sugar.

That's it...life is about balance.
There are 'text book' ways and then reality.
The best diet so to speak was a diabetic diet I had to do during training.
Following a diabetic/cardiac diet...within reason and exercise is amazing.

[UnknownResident]

Ya...I agree, I know nothing, 26 years in health care, over 20 being an RN....pretty silly of me

Don't get me wrong here, your profession is very important and admirable BUT honestly you don't know much about nutrition from being an RN. Even doctors know very little about nutrition, most of them will even admit to that. Not i'm not sure what went into your training so maybe i'm off base.\, or maybe you did some other training prior or something. But you can't possibly defend Subway. This topic is laughable for health experts. There's reality of how people can eat sure, but I'm saying for optimal health Subway isn't going to be a part of that diet. Is it going to kill you if you have it once or twice a year? Absolutely not, but for someone going there 4, 5, 6 times a week, this is stuff they gotta know. I think we've beaten this topic to death by now though. Some people love their bread too much to give it up.

[Glacier]

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[JLives]

Where did anyone say they ate Subway for optimal health? My understanding is it is a better choice for convenience food.

[Bsuds]

Absolutely not, but for someone going there 4, 5, 6 times a week, this is stuff they gotta know. I think we've beaten this topic to death by now though. Some people love their bread too much to give it up.

I don't remember anyone stating they went there that often. My statement was if I'm not able to get home to eat that it was my healthier choice compare to other fast foods. I only eat the whole grain breads because white causes my blood sugars to spike.
I think you are being a little over the top about this. Subway may not be the best but it is far from the worst.

[wthwyt]

But you can't possibly defend Subway. This topic is laughable for health experts. There's reality of how people can eat sure, but I'm saying for optimal health Subway isn't going to be a part of that diet. Is it going to kill you if you have it once or twice a year? Absolutely not, but for someone going there 4, 5, 6 times a week, this is stuff they gotta know. I think we've beaten this topic to death by now though. Some people love their bread too much to give it up.

Compared to McDonalds, Burger King, KFC & A&W etc etc etc

Subway is looking good, and yes eating at any of places for your daily intake "not good". Then you look at their value meals and if your in a low income it can be very tempting. Healthier choices need to be made available to those in lower income brackets, how that's the thing.