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10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby the truth » Jan 17th, 2018, 3:44 pm

only 10% effective this year people :200: not worth the side effects it comes with https://qz.com/1143420/the-2017-2018-fl ... han-usual/

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1714916
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby alanjh595 » Jan 17th, 2018, 4:05 pm

only 10% effective this year people :200: not worth the side effects it comes with https://qz.com/1143420/the-2017-2018-fl ... han-usual/

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1714916


How reliable is the source of the information? Considering the very next headline on that very same page, reads:

The best border wall is a legal marijuana market
Economists say medical marijuana laws cut violent crime in border states


That's enough of that website that I feel like I have to shower and run my virus software on the computer. Yeah, good luck using that as a selling point.
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby the truth » Jan 17th, 2018, 4:24 pm

-wow-- :200: :200: :200: new england journal of medicine not good enough for ya http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1714916 you people kill me
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby Fancy » Jan 17th, 2018, 4:31 pm

Both sites agreed:

Even if the outlook is bleak, you should still definitely get a flu shot if you haven’t already, as it does provide effective protection against several strains, and a quick shot with minimal side effects is worth it to avoid days of being stuck in bed.


However imperfect, though, current influenza vaccines remain a valuable public health tool, and it is always better to get vaccinated than not to get vaccinated. In this regard, the CDC estimates that influenza vaccination averted 40,000 deaths in the United States between the 2005–2006 and 2013–2014 seasons.2 Yet we can do better. Although targeted research to improve current vaccine antigens, platforms, and manufacturing strategies may in the short term lead to enhanced effectiveness of seasonal influenza vaccines, to achieve the ultimate objective of a universal influenza vaccine, a broad range of expertise and substantial resources will be required to fill gaps in our knowledge and develop a transformative approach to influenza-vaccine design
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby Jonrox » Jan 17th, 2018, 4:37 pm

the truth wrote:-wow-- :200: :200: :200: new england journal of medicine not good enough for ya http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1714916 you people kill me

It would appear you value the opinion and validity of the NEJM, so here’s a quote from the link you posted...
The cornerstone of influenza prevention and epidemic control is strain-specific vaccination.

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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby Thinktank » Jan 17th, 2018, 4:43 pm

Everyone remember 2009? It was so obscene. Watch this video with Ian Hanomansing, Gloria Macarenko
and Tanya Beja - see how they act so worried as if the swine flu was a serious thing that was going to
wipe out humanity. We now know the whole H1N1 thing was a scam.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/swine-flu-vaccine-1.1807844

^ watch that video to refresh your memory on how obscene the media can be, by acting as if it's serious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHr90s4 ... xKWZ8MjVRc

watch that video to see how corrupt the W.H.O. (World Health Organization) is. That vaccine was untested and more than 50% of doctors (probably 90%) absolutely REFUSED to take it themselves.
Ukraine is broke, and undertook a war on that portion of the country that provided 30% of GDP. Now a draft, for an army, for a war, for a government that will - get this - implement IMF/EU *austerity*.

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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby Fancy » Jan 17th, 2018, 4:46 pm

Something else that was overlooked by the truth:

The consequences of the wrong assessment of the flu vaccine effectiveness
Authors of this article forecast the flu vaccine effectiveness (VE) of 10% for the North Hemisphere. This prediction is based on assumption that H3N2 viruses circulating in Australia in the flu season 2017 will be similar to viruses in the North Hemisphere. Comparison of Australian H3N2 viruses and viruses isolated in US in the beginning of the flu season 2017/2018 showed significant difference between these two groups of viruses (https://f1000research.com/articles/6-2067/v1). This result suggests that the flu vaccine in US could work as well as in last flu season (according to CDC this VE was 42%). In addition, CDC reported that viruses isolated in US until the end of December 2017 were well-inhibited by ferret antisera raised against the vaccine virus (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm). In spite of these data and the warning of CDC that real VE can be defined only at the end of the flu season, media aggressively quoted predicted VE of 10% from this article. As a consequence of this misinformation about the low VE, many people refused to get vaccinated and this could significantly worsened the flu season 2017/2018 in US.
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby alanjh595 » Jan 17th, 2018, 4:56 pm

From the link provided a couple of posts prior to this one, (not wanting to name names).......
Seasonal influenza epidemics cause 3 million to 5 million severe cases and 300,000 to 500,000 deaths globally each year, according to the World Health Organization (WHO). The United States alone sees 140,000 to 710,000 influenza-related hospitalizations and 12,000 to 56,000 deaths each year, with the highest burden of disease affecting the very young, the very old, and people with coexisting medical conditions


If you fall within any of these categories......get the shot, it might save your life.
If you have any contact with tour loved ones that might fit into any one of these categories......get the shot, it might save their life.
If you work in any area that you have contact with anyone that might fit into these categories, get the shot.
If you live a hermit's life and have no contact with others, don't get the shot and Good Luck.

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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby Catsumi » Jan 17th, 2018, 10:15 pm

1968-69. Hong Kong flu. Spread like wildfire, right to me. I was so sick I wanted to die. No vaccinations at that time but now there is.

I avail myself of same annually. I have a long memory.
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby Fancy » Jan 19th, 2018, 8:26 pm

Interesting the comment in the link the truth provided (I posted it above) proved to be correct:

The flu shot is tweaked each year in an attempt to target what are projected to be the most prevalent strains of the disease, but the process isn’t foolproof. The CDC estimates that the vaccine will be effective against roughly 30% of H3 viruses this year.

That said, the CDC still recommends that you get vaccinated if you haven’t already, as there could be as many as 13 weeks of flu season still to come. Plus, the shot may protect against influenza B strains, which typically come out later in the season.


http://time.com/5105929/why-is-the-flu-so-bad-2018/
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby Omnitheo » Feb 8th, 2018, 12:04 pm

I work in medical clinics and a doctor offered to give me the shot. As I spend a lot of time in clinics and airplanes, I am exposed quite a bit to the flu. I, glad I got it the shot this year as several people around me came down with a nasty flu that I managed to avoid the entire time.

A 10% immunity is better than a 0% immunity.
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby the truth » Feb 8th, 2018, 2:17 pm

https://www.passporthealthusa.com/2016/ ... -flu-shot/ if you want to put this poision in your blood stream :200: fill your boots

if you people want to believe these ingredients are harmless go ahead

https://medium.com/@andreangelantoni/th ... fc196afd9b
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby Fancy » Feb 8th, 2018, 2:22 pm

Already discussed the ingredients at the beginning of this thread. No need for fear mongering.
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby the truth » Feb 8th, 2018, 2:25 pm

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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby Fancy » Feb 8th, 2018, 2:38 pm

Current information:
Can the flu vaccine provide protection even if the flu vaccine is not a “good” match?
Yes, antibodies made in response to vaccination with one flu virus can sometimes provide protection against different but related flu viruses. A less than ideal match may result in reduced vaccine effectiveness against the flu virus that is different from what is in the flu vaccine, but it can still provide some protection against flu illness.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/fl ... 7-2018.htm
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