10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

[caffeine]

that's where people like you get terribly confused. The people never died from the flu. The people
died because they were too unhealthy to withstand the flu ( bad immun system) and some of them
died because doctors probably went berzerk on them with the wrong treatments.

If you are terrified of dieing from the flu, you have two choices.

CHOICE #1 - go and quickly get a flu shot that cost $2.00 to manufacture. It's easy. Taxpayers pay most of the cost. It's simple. And it's efficient. Long term- it's useless for your immune system.

CHOICE #2 - go out slowly, and make huge lifestyle changes to improve your health and improve
your immune system so the threat of dieing from the flu is no longer a big problem. It's not easy. It's
definitely not cheap. Taxpayers won't pay a cent. It's not very efficient. But long term - it's miraculous for your health
and your immune system.

THE CHOICE IS YOURS.

THE CHOICE IS YOURS.

The second choice is not really all that practical for the elederly lady who is in a care home relying on others to care for her. It's difficult to reverse the aging process in order to boost your immune system. Is that a bad choice on her part? Or the immune-compromised kids who might have cerebral palsy, or an illness that compromises them. Is it a bad choice for these people to not make "lifestyle changes?" Is it better for tax payers to not pay a cent on prevention, but pay for inflated acute health care costs when these people get sick?

You say "do your own studies" because you don't trust the studies of the pharmaceutical companies. Your "study," is nothing more than digging through web pages on the internet to find information that supports your belief and then calling it "a study." This does not make it a "study" just because you call it so, yet you compare it to scientific studies as though equal. It is not, but the good thing about science is that it does not care one way or another about yours or anyone else's "beliefs." It is unfortunate though that you use your mis-understanding of science and terms like "study" to try and bolster your claims from the status of opinion or belief to fact. What you claim is not fact, it is only your belief. You are clearly heavily invested in your belief, but that does not make it anywhere close to fact.




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[Thinktank]

... but the good thing about science is that it does not care one way or another ...


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That's where you're wrong. It's big business. It's $billions of dollars.
the science is corrupted by greed.

[Urbane]

I have a lot of respect for Dr. Andrew Weil. For those interested, here's what he has to say about flu shots:

Q
Thimerosal: Can Flu Shots Lead to Alzheimer's?

My parents, who are in their 50's, want to get flu shots this year. However, they are concerned about the thimerosal present in vaccines as a risk factor for Alzheimer's disease. Should they be concerned about thimerosal in flu shots and other vaccines?

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Answer (Published 12/14/2010)

No. Thimerosal, a preservative that contains minute amounts of mercury, has been safely used in some vaccines and other products since the 1930's. No convincing evidence suggests that any harm has been caused by the low doses of mercury in vaccines. Despite scare stories linking flu shots with Alzheimer's disease, scientific studies suggest just the opposite: Alzheimer's risk declines among those vaccinated against diphtheria, tetanus, polio, and influenza. Moreover, a study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association on Nov. 3, 2004, showed that annual flu shots for older adults were associated with a reduced risk of death from all causes.

Most adverse effects of flu shots today are minor local reactions such as redness and swelling at the injection site. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), thimerosal is used to prevent the growth of bacteria and fungi should they get into a vaccine. This can happen when a needle enters a vial as a vaccine is being prepared for administration. Contamination can cause severe reactions, including systemic illness and death.

You should be aware that today's flu vaccines are available with or without thimerosal. You can find out whether or not a particular brand of vaccine has it by logging onto the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's website and scrolling down to Table 3, which lists influenza (and other) vaccines and their thimerosal content, if any. Alternatively, you can ask your health care professional or pharmacist for a copy of the vaccine package insert, which will tell you whether or not thimerosal is present.

For the record, thimerosal does not remain in the body long enough to build up and reach harmful levels. It breaks down into ethylmercury and thiosalicylate, both of which are easily eliminated. I wouldn't worry about the small amount of thimerosal that may still be in some flu vaccines. The health risks of influenza are much greater than any small risk thimerosal may present. Remember, the flu is more than a bad cold. It is a significant disease that can lead to pneumonia, which can be deadly, especially in the elderly. Each year, more than 100,000 people are hospitalized and 20,000 die as a result of the flu and its complications.

I recommend flu shots for those over 65, as well as anyone with a weakened immune or respiratory system, nursing home residents, and health care workers who have regular contact with patients.

Andrew Weil, M.D.

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That's where you're wrong. It's big business. It's $billions of dollars.
the science is corrupted by greed.

No, I am not wrong. science can be mis-used or used incorrectly for other agendas. But the scientific method, when used correctly is sound. I see science being corrupted and mis-represented by "natural" products and therapies as much or more than any other organizations. They do the same things they accuse others of. Science does not corrupt itself.

[the truth]

where i work last year .all the staff i work with got the flu shot and still got sick. i never got the flu shot and never got sick
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[Amarow121]

I get the flu shot every year.
I do not have side effects from it, and I don't get the flu.
I also don't give the flu to my patients, and they don't give it to me.

All in all, it's working out wonderfully.

Also, yes, tetanus shots hurt. They are well known for the fact that they will cause pain in the injection site for a few days after. Put some ice on it and don't do any strenuous activity for a day or two.

[Thinktank]

I do not have side effects from it, and I don't get the flu.

Did you know 70% of people do not get the flu each year and the flu
shot is only 60% effective - so that means you have just as good a chance
of NOT getting the flu if you DON'T get a flu shot, as you do if you DO get the flu shot?

Did you know that?

[caffeine]

Did you know 70% of people do not get the flu each year and the flu
shot is only 60% effective - so that means you have just as good a chance
of NOT getting the flu if you DON'T get a flu shot, as you do if you DO get the flu shot?

Did you know that?

Well, you are partially correct, but you are actually arguing against yourself by saying this. The 60% efficacy number is correct (from the CDC). But that number pertains to a 60% decreased risk of getting the flu in the overall population during flu season when there is a vaccine program in place. On an individual basis, efficacy is actually variable depending on a number of different factors such as age, general health, accuracy of the vaccine developed for the current season etc.

So, don't get the shot, and you are less likely to get the flu thanks to those who have been immunized. (On behalf of those that do get the immunization, you are welcome... ). If you do get the shot, your risk is further reduced.

[Thinktank]

If you do get the shot, your risk is further reduced.

...short term benefit - for a long term ...... toxins in the blood - with no long
term studies ever done. Mercury in the blood? Long term? Not good.

When it comes to health - I'll take the more difficult short term, for a long
term healthier immune system any day.

[caffeine]

...short term benefit - for a long term ...... toxins in the blood - with no long
term studies ever done. Mercury in the blood? Long term? Not good.

When it comes to health - I'll take the more difficult short term, for a long
term healthier immune system any day.

Yes - short term - that's why it's called "seasonal flu," it changes every year. Unlike other viruses and associated vaccines like polio - for which immunity lasts long term. The decreased risk to the population for seasonal flu is most helpful for those at risk (elderly, asthma etc etc) for which the complications from the flu can be deadly.

And yes, the choice is yours, as it is for everyone else. your arguments against immunization though are flawed.

[Urbane]

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  ...short term benefit - for a long term ...... toxins in the blood - with no long
  term studies ever done. Mercury in the blood? Long term? Not good.
  
  When it comes to health - I'll take the more difficult short term, for a long
  term healthier immune system any day.

Dr Weil:

For the record, thimerosal does not remain in the body long enough to build up and reach harmful levels. It breaks down into ethylmercury and thiosalicylate, both of which are easily eliminated. I wouldn't worry about the small amount of thimerosal that may still be in some flu vaccines. The health risks of influenza are much greater than any small risk thimerosal may present.

[the truth]

no one needs to take a flu shot,there are some many things ,people can buy and take during the winter months at the health food store with antiviarl,antibacterial properties with ZERO side effects its not even funny

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no one needs to take a flu shot,there are some many things ,people can buy and take during the winter months at the health food store with antiviarl,antibacterial properties with ZERO side effects its not even funny

Oh dear......

[the truth]

quote="flamingfingers"]

no one needs to take a flu shot,there are some many things ,people can buy and take during the winter months at the health food store with antiviarl,antibacterial properties with ZERO side effects its not even funny

Oh dear......[/quote]


really,why????????????????????????

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