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Kroynon
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Re: Diabetes

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Silverstarqueen wrote: May 22nd, 2022, 10:23 am
Kroynon wrote: May 22nd, 2022, 10:09 am

You said if you spend a few short minutes to get injected you will then meet vaccination requirements for travel.

That is incorrect information as usual.
*removed* my comment is there for anyone to read, the information is correct, as usual.
You can say whatever you want, does not change the fact that the anyone could have gotten the vaccination in just a few short minutes, anytime in the last year. How do you think 80% or so of canadians managed to do it? Anyone who travels is responsible for finding out the requirements, and knows there are many requirements that have to be fulfilled before getting on a plane. You want the freedom to do whatever you want, but you don't want to live with your choices.
You want to force people to do what you want or take away their choices. You can say whatever you want but won't change that a few minutes is not enough to meet the requirements of vaccination for travel.
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Re: Diabetes

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zoo wrote: May 22nd, 2022, 3:35 pm
Silverstarqueen wrote: May 20th, 2022, 6:26 pm
I have not seen any study that showed the course of covid could be changed by taking people with, say, diabetes or obesity, and somehow magically reversing their condition, and therefore having a better outcome, mainly because if there is already a 99% survival rate after these people get covid, it would take a huge study to show that a) these conditions could be cured b) and then that this improved their survival rate by much. Yet, if they get vaccinated, and good hospital treatment(if needed), they have a survival rate compared to other covid patients.
This science to your statement above is absolutely proven and documented in pretty much every single medical website you can find. But we could just do a search through out WHO, WOF and CDC. There are many links and information clearly showing the direct link to covid that Diabetes and overweight/obese condition's have. Like the negative result a ventilator has when dealing with someone with these conditions.
Look, the magic has been in place all along. It's sometimes hard work. Takes a wack of commitment but as these medical site's state, its very possible for most people to change or at least assist in the horrible health complications that it contributes to.
Do as you like with the science. The absolute truth is, addresses your personal health can contribute overall drastically to everyone's covid vulnerability.
Like it or not, its the fact. And a lot of people have achieved success in adjusting their conditions to better protect themselves. What is the next virus going to be? Are you ready or are you dependant on waiting for pfizer?
Can you prove that you are more protected with the vaccine than say myself, being unvaccinated?

Please make my choice for me with facts and science.
Then post a study or studies which prove that people have reversed diabetes or obesity and had a better outcome from covid. You say it's proven, that doesn't show the evidence that it has been proven.
If there are sooooo many studies on this, let's have them.
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Re: Diabetes

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Kroynon wrote: May 22nd, 2022, 4:28 pm
Silverstarqueen wrote: May 22nd, 2022, 10:23 am

*removed* my comment is there for anyone to read, the information is correct, as usual.
You can say whatever you want, does not change the fact that the anyone could have gotten the vaccination in just a few short minutes, anytime in the last year. How do you think 80% or so of canadians managed to do it? Anyone who travels is responsible for finding out the requirements, and knows there are many requirements that have to be fulfilled before getting on a plane. You want the freedom to do whatever you want, but you don't want to live with your choices.
You want to force people to do what you want or take away their choices. You can say whatever you want but won't change that a few minutes is not enough to meet the requirements of vaccination for travel.
Please quote anywhere that I said I want to force people to do what I want. People have choices, I think that's great. I don't see a problem there at all. If they don't want to meet the requirements of the airlines, or the countries receiving them, or Canada upon entry, they they can see what the consequences are. Travelling requires some responsibility to make sure that a person has met the regulations. Getting the covid vaccine was quick and easy, so no excuse why anyone could not have got one. Most of the people I know have been fully vaccinated for almost a year, or longer.
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Re: Diabetes

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Silverstarqueen wrote: May 22nd, 2022, 5:14 pm
Kroynon wrote: May 22nd, 2022, 4:28 pm

You want to force people to do what you want or take away their choices. You can say whatever you want but won't change that a few minutes is not enough to meet the requirements of vaccination for travel.
Please quote anywhere that I said I want to force people to do what I want. People have choices, I think that's great. I don't see a problem there at all. If they don't want to meet the requirements of the airlines, or the countries receiving them, or Canada upon entry, they they can see what the consequences are. Travelling requires some responsibility to make sure that a person has met the regulations. Getting the covid vaccine was quick and easy, so no excuse why anyone could not have got one. Most of the people I know have been fully vaccinated for almost a year, or longer.
Please quote anywhere I said I want the freedom to do whatever I want, but I don't want to live with my choices. Sheesh, Some are quick to label and perhaps don't realize the lies they spread.
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Re: Diabetes

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Another study in Italy, risk factors of those who had ICU admission. Being male, aged, OR having COPD was a higher risk factor than having type 2 diabetes.
" Independent risk factors associated with mortality included older age (hazard ratio [HR], 1.75; 95% CI, 1.60-1.92), male sex (HR, 1.57; 95% CI, 1.31-1.88), high fraction of inspired oxygen (Fio2) (HR, 1.14; 95% CI, 1.10-1.19), high positive end-expiratory pressure (HR, 1.04; 95% CI, 1.01-1.06) or low Pao2:Fio2 ratio (HR, 0.80; 95% CI, 0.74-0.87) on ICU admission, and history of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (HR, 1.68; 95% CI, 1.28-2.19), hypercholesterolemia (HR, 1.25; 95% CI, 1.02-1.52), and type 2 diabetes (HR, 1.18; 95% CI, 1.01-1.39). No medication was independently associated with mortality (angiotensin-converting enzyme inhibitors HR, 1.17; 95% CI, 0.97-1.42; angiotensin receptor blockers HR, 1.05; 95% CI, 0.85-1.29).
Hypertension was the most common comorbidity (1643 [42.1%; 95% CI, 40.5%-43.6%]), followed by hypercholesterolemia (545 [16.5%; 95% CI, 15.3%-17.8%]) and heart disease (533 [16.2%; 95% CI, 14.9%-17.4%])."
No mention of hyperglycemia or hyperinsulinism as being in the highest risk factors.
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Re: Diabetes

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Silverstarqueen wrote: May 22nd, 2022, 6:44 pm Another study in Italy, risk factors of those who had ICU admission. Being male, aged, OR having COPD was a higher risk factor than having type 2 diabetes.
" Independent risk factors associated with mortality included older age (hazard ratio [HR], 1.75; 95% CI, 1.60-1.92), male sex (HR, 1.57; 95% CI, 1.31-1.88), high fraction of inspired oxygen (Fio2) (HR, 1.14; 95% CI, 1.10-1.19), high positive end-expiratory pressure (HR, 1.04; 95% CI, 1.01-1.06) or low Pao2:Fio2 ratio (HR, 0.80; 95% CI, 0.74-0.87) on ICU admission, and history of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (HR, 1.68; 95% CI, 1.28-2.19), hypercholesterolemia (HR, 1.25; 95% CI, 1.02-1.52), and type 2 diabetes (HR, 1.18; 95% CI, 1.01-1.39). No medication was independently associated with mortality (angiotensin-converting enzyme inhibitors HR, 1.17; 95% CI, 0.97-1.42; angiotensin receptor blockers HR, 1.05; 95% CI, 0.85-1.29).
Hypertension was the most common comorbidity (1643 [42.1%; 95% CI, 40.5%-43.6%]), followed by hypercholesterolemia (545 [16.5%; 95% CI, 15.3%-17.8%]) and heart disease (533 [16.2%; 95% CI, 14.9%-17.4%])."
No mention of hyperglycemia or hyperinsulinism as being in the highest risk factors.
Go figure, Most common comorbidity and its treatable. Seems the area of concern to all of us is being ignored yet it is one of the most related conditions to covid severity and death.
Wouldn't it be great if government and individuals could respect science. Looks like we need to stop being just plain stupid and actually treat this for what it is. Instead of busy mandating, removing freedoms of travel, shaming and blaming unvaccinated as the chosen attack group.
Surviving covid means making sure these select vulnerable groups get vaccinated, not worrying that your neighbour does.
Maybe our government needs to grow up and be responsible.


Can be dangerous or life threatening if untreated
How common is condition?
Very common (More than 500,000 cases per year in Canada)
Is condition treatable?
Treatable by a medical professional

The analysis reported a total of 130,468 deaths that had been registered, Italy. (For the latest data on the country, see the Reuters tracker, here )

Of those who died in hospital, data was available for 7,910 people on their comorbidities diagnosed before the SARS-CoV-2 infection (meaning having two or more diseases at the same time) ( here ): 2.9% presented with no comorbidities and 97.1% had one or more condition listed aside from COVID-19, such as ischemic heart disease, heart failure, type-2 diabetes, obesity or autoimmune disease (see Table 1 here).
Electing to define death from COVID-19 in this way may have resulted in an overestimation of the case-fatality rate. A subsample of 355 patients with COVID-19 who died in Italy underwent detailed chart review. Among these patients, the mean age was 79.5 years (SD, 8.1) and 106 (30.0%) were women. In this sample, 117 patients (30%) had ischemic heart disease, 126 (35.5%) had diabetes, 72 (20.3%) had active cancer, 87 (24.5%) had atrial fibrillation, 24 (6.8%) had dementia, and 34 (9.6%) had a history of stroke. The mean number of preexisting diseases was 2.7 (SD, 1.6). Overall, only 3 patients (0.8%) had no diseases, 89 (25.1%) had a single disease, 91 (25.6%) had 2 diseases, and 172 (48.5%) had 3 or more underlying diseases. The presence of these comorbidities might have increased the risk of mortality independent of COVID-19 infection.
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Re: Diabetes

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Silverstarqueen wrote: May 22nd, 2022, 10:09 am
Merry wrote: May 21st, 2022, 10:45 pm I don’t consider age to be a comorbidity. Age is a natural process that eventually affects everyone. So, although it’s true that advancing age is the greatest risk factor for a poor Covid outcome, diabetes is the most prevalent “comorbidity” associated with complications of Covid.

It should also be noted that advancing age alone was rarely responsible for severe Covid. Most of the old folks who succumbed also had 3 or more comordidities, of which diabetes was the most prevalent.

Of course, there are always exceptions to every commonality, but diabetes was, and is, a very great risk factor for severe Covid.
Aging is a natural process, but age is the greatest, and independent, risk factor for severe covid, every decade of additional years, increases a person's risk. So to ignore that as a contributing factor is really ignoring everything that our PHO's and the studies have shown us to date. Co morbidities multiply that risk again, so an aged person with the same level of heart disease (for example), as a younger person, will have a much higher risk of severe outcomes.
Over 3 million people in canada are living with diabetes, and at 1 million more undiagnosed, 40,000 Canadians died of covid (obviously not all diabetic). That means that about 1% of diabetics did not die of covid. Diabetes is certainly a risk factor, but it is not nearly the only risk factor. I posted yesterday a study which looked at the odds ratios for various comorbidities of people who died of covid.
I never said diabetes was the ONLY risk factor. I said it’s the comorbidity that is the greatest risk factor for developing complications of Covid.
People with diabetes were almost twice as likely to die from Covid and almost three times as likely ...
https://www.onmanorama.com/lifestyle/he ... study.html
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Re: Diabetes

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Bottom line, ignorance and commitment at all levels to address the so very proven, most contributing factor to covid death and severity is being ignored. The fact is, unhealthy is why and who covid focused its attack. Not dealing with this, not being able to acknowledge this is the failing of it all.
Stopping a healthy, young, fit individual from an airplane, gym, restaurant while allowing in societies weakest, most vulnerable is with out a doubt a poor excuse for dealing with this pandemic. Basing the decision on who is to be disciplined and punished in this society by taking a vaccine is a complete disgusting handling of this.
The cause of severe related covid and death is well proven to be a person's personal health status and weakness.
Not being whether or not someone took a vaccine.
If people do not want to focus their energy and address their own vulnerability to these concerns, then good luck at the next variant, the next virus.
Because you will be waiting and looking pretty stupid doing it, you can wait for the super rich to manufacture up a sync drug, and then you can start your vicious attack on the others.
The stupidity of so many, ignoring at all cost's the relevance of health in this is a pretty major disappointment for those that are expecting more. Expecting government and people to do the "right thing", to contribute. To at least try instead of having to be so damn politically correct over the safety of its people.

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