Diabetes

[Silverstarqueen]

Looking at the graph comparing vit D supplemented or not, I'm not seeing this huge benefit. Maybe taking a bunch of pills for four years, didn't encourage people to work on changing diet, exercise, medication or whatever else would make a bigger dent in their risk for diabetes. There's a lot more research now than there was 20 or 30 years ago on what works, it seems a lot of people don't know about it, or are not following it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... betes.html

Researchers found that over a four-year span, pre-diabetics who regularly used vitamin D supplements (dotted line) were 15 percent less likely to have their condition convert into diabetes than those who did not (solid line)

Fifteen percent is a pretty good reduction, IMO. Shows promise.

Doesn't have to be either/or:

Diet and exercise are the usual tips for preventing the next stage from developing, but scientists believe they have found a new tool for preventing the disease.

and the suggestion they were taking "a bunch of pills" instead of using diet and exercise seems to show a misunderstanding of the study:

Because the studies were looking at other factors, none gave an explanation as to why the vitamin helped combat high blood sugar.

But, experts have long suspected vitamin D could be a treatment to prevent diabetes.

Seems Dr. Campbell was helping get useful information about new developments in research out to people after all.

If he wanted "useful information" then he should have used data from randomised controlled trials.
Vit D has not been shown to be a "treatment" to prevent diabetes.
Prediabetics have a rate of about 10% conversion to diabetes per year which can be greatly influenced by change in diet and excercise,and judicious use of medication. So a 15% difference is not that impressive.

[Old Sailor]

If he wanted "useful information" then he should have used data from randomised controlled trials.
Vit D has not been shown to be a "treatment" to prevent diabetes.
Prediabetics have a rate of about 10% conversion to diabetes per year which can be greatly influenced by change in diet and excercise,and judicious use of medication. So a 15% difference is not that impressive.

It sometimes just amazes me how much misinformation people believe when it can be so easily proven one way or another.

(I'm not pointing at you SSQ)

[rustled]

Fifteen percent is a pretty good reduction, IMO. Shows promise.

Doesn't have to be either/or:
and the suggestion they were taking "a bunch of pills" instead of using diet and exercise seems to show a misunderstanding of the study:

Seems Dr. Campbell was helping get useful information about new developments in research out to people after all.

If he wanted "useful information" then he should have used data from randomised controlled trials.

Fortunately for the rest of us, he doesn't rely on random posters on Castanet to tell him which studies he should review, and which ones he shouldn't.

Vit D has not been shown to be a "treatment" to prevent diabetes.
Prediabetics have a rate of about 10% conversion to diabetes per year which can be greatly influenced by change in diet and excercise,and judicious use of medication. So a 15% difference is not that impressive.

That's a misrepresentation of what he actually said.

Some of us may think it would be sensible to determine whether or not upping one's intake of vitamin D can reduce the need for "the judicious use of medication".

It's interesting to see these complaints against Dr. Campbell, and against the piece you'd posted, which shares the same good news! Especially after complaining

There's a lot more research now than there was 20 or 30 years ago on what works, it seems a lot of people don't know about it, or are not following it.

[countmeout]

A study needs to be completed where there are 20,000 pre diabetics.

5,000 get vitamin D and all the meds.

5,000 get the meds

5,000 get vitamin d, no meds.

5,000 get nothing (might be able to omit based on previous controls in other studies, brining the total to 15,000).

Without this study, it's impossible to say the impact vitamin d has. However this doesn't discredit that proper intake of vitamins helps ones body. Best to be getting the best nutrition possible.

[hozzle]

Fifteen percent is a pretty good reduction, IMO. Shows promise.

Doesn't have to be either/or:
and the suggestion they were taking "a bunch of pills" instead of using diet and exercise seems to show a misunderstanding of the study:

Seems Dr. Campbell was helping get useful information about new developments in research out to people after all.

If he wanted "useful information" then he should have used data from randomised controlled trials.
Vit D has not been shown to be a "treatment" to prevent diabetes.
Prediabetics have a rate of about 10% conversion to diabetes per year which can be greatly influenced by change in diet and excercise,and judicious use of medication. So a 15% difference is not that impressive.

Unless someone has diabetes then their knowledge is limited... for example if someone was told they have Type 2 diabetes / insulin resistance / metabolic syndrome they would listen to their doctor and perhaps due to a lack of understanding they take what is prescribed to them and continue with their life... perhaps a shortened life if they don't educate themselves and how their body reacts to what works best for them.

Now if they were told they have "Chronic Carbohydrate Overdose Syndrome" then perhaps they could have a better understanding of what may be happening to them and reverse the situation.
I am fully aware that everyone is different and should remedy by limiting or avoiding carbohydrate consumption to various degrees combined with lifestyle changes then I wouldn't dismiss the fact that Vit D could be a strategy for someone out there... and to dismiss it is self indulgent.

So the choice is yours... alter your diet and lifestyle, take drugs to help if you have to, or any combination in between... regardless, those diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes should look into what caused the earlier metabolic syndrome that affected their body usually much earlier in their life than the last indicator of insulin resistance and high blood sugars.

So, who am I to spout out all this stuff? I am not a doctor or claim to be but I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes in 2001. Initially I took the prescriptions and carried on with my life. My condition worsened over several years until I learned more about diet and lifestyle choices that affected my metabolic condition rather than trying to treat high blood glucose. Fast forward to today I am not taking Metformin and my A1C is in the mid 5 mmol/L.
Some may scoff and say this is radical crud I am posting, but isn't taking drugs with patented ingredients that I have no idea what is in it and how it affects my liver and kidneys just as radical, if not more.

Anyone diagnosed with Type 2 keep looking into tailoring the best combination for your body and look into it safely, but don't dismiss it because it could be the link to you getting back to better health with or in combination to diets, lifestyle, pharmaceuticals, or any combination of... just don't reside to listening to those that say this isn't this or that doesn't do... you are the best monitor of your condition.

[Silverstarqueen]

Another metaanalysis of Vit D for diabetes, which found: drum roll...
A 5mg/dl reduction in FPG (fasting glucose) . Normal is 91-99,

Most of this difference was found in : Asians, who were Vit D deficient (not just low but deficient), diabetic AND obese. Doses had to be high-ish to get that result.
So if someone doesn't fit that profile, the difference would be minimal to zero. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9841647/

(I am not pointing back at you O.S.)

[Silverstarqueen]

If he wanted "useful information" then he should have used data from randomised controlled trials.
Vit D has not been shown to be a "treatment" to prevent diabetes.
Prediabetics have a rate of about 10% conversion to diabetes per year which can be greatly influenced by change in diet and excercise,and judicious use of medication. So a 15% difference is not that impressive.

Unless someone has diabetes then their knowledge is limited... for example if someone was told they have Type 2 diabetes / insulin resistance / metabolic syndrome they would listen to their doctor and perhaps due to a lack of understanding they take what is prescribed to them and continue with their life... perhaps a shortened life if they don't educate themselves and how their body reacts to what works best for them.

Now if they were told they have "Chronic Carbohydrate Overdose Syndrome" then perhaps they could have a better understanding of what may be happening to them and reverse the situation.
I am fully aware that everyone is different and should remedy by limiting or avoiding carbohydrate consumption to various degrees combined with lifestyle changes then I wouldn't dismiss the fact that Vit D could be a strategy for someone out there... and to dismiss it is self indulgent.

So the choice is yours... alter your diet and lifestyle, take drugs to help if you have to, or any combination in between... regardless, those diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes should look into what caused the earlier metabolic syndrome that affected their body usually much earlier in their life than the last indicator of insulin resistance and high blood sugars.

So, who am I to spout out all this stuff? I am not a doctor or claim to be but I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes in 2001. Initially I took the prescriptions and carried on with my life. My condition worsened over several years until I learned more about diet and lifestyle choices that affected my metabolic condition rather than trying to treat high blood glucose. Fast forward to today I am not taking Metformin and my A1C is in the mid 5 mmol/L.
Some may scoff and say this is radical crud I am posting, but isn't taking drugs with patented ingredients that I have no idea what is in it and how it affects my liver and kidneys just as radical, if not more.

Anyone diagnosed with Type 2 keep looking into tailoring the best combination for your body and look into it safely, but don't dismiss it because it could be the link to you getting back to better health with or in combination to diets, lifestyle, pharmaceuticals, or any combination of... just don't reside to listening to those that say this isn't this or that doesn't do... you are the best monitor of your condition.

People take away different things from an diagnosis.
For instance if diagnosed with "chronic carbohydrate overdose syndrome" they might presume they have to cut carbohydrates to a minimum in their diet. Some even go as low as 25g carbohydrate per day. (Try that sometime) What they probably don't know is that one of the longest lived people on the face of the earth, traditional Okinawans, were studied, their diet, and lifestyle. They eat about 85% carbohydrate, low fat, and lowish protein. Pretty much the opposite of the ketogenic diet that a lot of dieters have turned to. So how do they live so long? They have one of the highest rates of centinarians, and live a fairly active healthy life even into their nineties. No Vit D supplement, but they do get sunshine and exercise on a regular basis. Some who are looking at all this, are theorizing that maybe direct sun exposure and a walk outdoors has some benefits that cannot be found in a bottle or a gym. A lot of people seem to be trying to exercise their way out of a bad diet. Doesn't work. So jogging down to get a cheeseburger and fries is probably not the solution.

[rustled]

Unless someone has diabetes then their knowledge is limited... for example if someone was told they have Type 2 diabetes / insulin resistance / metabolic syndrome they would listen to their doctor and perhaps due to a lack of understanding they take what is prescribed to them and continue with their life... perhaps a shortened life if they don't educate themselves and how their body reacts to what works best for them.

Now if they were told they have "Chronic Carbohydrate Overdose Syndrome" then perhaps they could have a better understanding of what may be happening to them and reverse the situation.
I am fully aware that everyone is different and should remedy by limiting or avoiding carbohydrate consumption to various degrees combined with lifestyle changes then I wouldn't dismiss the fact that Vit D could be a strategy for someone out there... and to dismiss it is self indulgent.

So the choice is yours... alter your diet and lifestyle, take drugs to help if you have to, or any combination in between... regardless, those diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes should look into what caused the earlier metabolic syndrome that affected their body usually much earlier in their life than the last indicator of insulin resistance and high blood sugars.

So, who am I to spout out all this stuff? I am not a doctor or claim to be but I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes in 2001. Initially I took the prescriptions and carried on with my life. My condition worsened over several years until I learned more about diet and lifestyle choices that affected my metabolic condition rather than trying to treat high blood glucose. Fast forward to today I am not taking Metformin and my A1C is in the mid 5 mmol/L.
Some may scoff and say this is radical crud I am posting, but isn't taking drugs with patented ingredients that I have no idea what is in it and how it affects my liver and kidneys just as radical, if not more.

Anyone diagnosed with Type 2 keep looking into tailoring the best combination for your body and look into it safely, but don't dismiss it because it could be the link to you getting back to better health with or in combination to diets, lifestyle, pharmaceuticals, or any combination of... just don't reside to listening to those that say this isn't this or that doesn't do... you are the best monitor of your condition.

Thanks for this perspective, hozzle. I find it so odd to see people working so hard to push back against the suggestion of increasing our vitamin D intake as part of our efforts to protect our health. Your more thoughtful approach makes good sense.

[Fancy]

Posters have been talking about vitamin D for over 15 years on the forums. There’s no questioning the reason to take them.

[hozzle]

Unless someone has diabetes then their knowledge is limited... for example if someone was told they have Type 2 diabetes / insulin resistance / metabolic syndrome they would listen to their doctor and perhaps due to a lack of understanding they take what is prescribed to them and continue with their life... perhaps a shortened life if they don't educate themselves and how their body reacts to what works best for them.

Now if they were told they have "Chronic Carbohydrate Overdose Syndrome" then perhaps they could have a better understanding of what may be happening to them and reverse the situation.
I am fully aware that everyone is different and should remedy by limiting or avoiding carbohydrate consumption to various degrees combined with lifestyle changes then I wouldn't dismiss the fact that Vit D could be a strategy for someone out there... and to dismiss it is self indulgent.

So the choice is yours... alter your diet and lifestyle, take drugs to help if you have to, or any combination in between... regardless, those diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes should look into what caused the earlier metabolic syndrome that affected their body usually much earlier in their life than the last indicator of insulin resistance and high blood sugars.

So, who am I to spout out all this stuff? I am not a doctor or claim to be but I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes in 2001. Initially I took the prescriptions and carried on with my life. My condition worsened over several years until I learned more about diet and lifestyle choices that affected my metabolic condition rather than trying to treat high blood glucose. Fast forward to today I am not taking Metformin and my A1C is in the mid 5 mmol/L.
Some may scoff and say this is radical crud I am posting, but isn't taking drugs with patented ingredients that I have no idea what is in it and how it affects my liver and kidneys just as radical, if not more.

Anyone diagnosed with Type 2 keep looking into tailoring the best combination for your body and look into it safely, but don't dismiss it because it could be the link to you getting back to better health with or in combination to diets, lifestyle, pharmaceuticals, or any combination of... just don't reside to listening to those that say this isn't this or that doesn't do... you are the best monitor of your condition.

People take away different things from an diagnosis.
For instance if diagnosed with "chronic carbohydrate overdose syndrome" they might presume they have to cut carbohydrates to a minimum in their diet. Some even go as low as 25g carbohydrate per day. (Try that sometime) What they probably don't know is that one of the longest lived people on the face of the earth, traditional Okinawans, were studied, their diet, and lifestyle. They eat about 85% carbohydrate, low fat, and lowish protein. Pretty much the opposite of the ketogenic diet that a lot of dieters have turned to. So how do they live so long? They have one of the highest rates of centinarians, and live a fairly active healthy life even into their nineties. No Vit D supplement, but they do get sunshine and exercise on a regular basis. Some who are looking at all this, are theorizing that maybe direct sun exposure and a walk outdoors has some benefits that cannot be found in a bottle or a gym. A lot of people seem to be trying to exercise their way out of a bad diet. Doesn't work. So jogging down to get a cheeseburger and fries is probably not the solution.

The failed logic is assuming the misunderstanding a chronic carb would cause harm.... then the diagnosis of type 2 (unexplained) is just as damaging.

... and yes jogging in the sun is helpful, but all the UV warnings & mandates in the recent past has forced the younger generation to play catch up.

[Fancy]

Can’t get enough sun in the winter around here anyway.

[Bsuds]

Can’t get enough sun in the winter around here anyway.

You can if you try!

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[Fancy]

Awe!!!!

[Silverstarqueen]

Can’t get enough sun in the winter around here anyway.

You can if you try!

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I was out for a lovely walk in the sunshine today, and met some others along the way walking their kiddos, so yes, I think people are getting the message. Vit D /sunshine/exercise is important for everyone, not just those with diabetes. Vit D is an essential hormone has many functions, for those who are light skinned it's easier to get it in just 10-15 min a day. Those with darker skin are more likely to need a supplement in winter.

[Fancy]

I have an active dog. Nuff said.