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Re: Vaccinations

Postby Fancy » Jan 24th, 2018, 3:25 pm

Thinktank wrote:So let's hear your explanations, people. What does it mean when a flu shot is 10% "effective?"

Ask your doctor instead of derailing the thread and it's 30%, not 10%. Get your facts right. Flu vaccines being discussed here:
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Re: Vaccinations

Postby the truth » Jan 24th, 2018, 3:26 pm

fyi its 10% you might want to read the facts
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Re: Vaccinations

Postby Fancy » Jan 24th, 2018, 3:29 pm

the truth wrote:fyi its 10% you might want to read the facts


I've kept up:

The CDC estimates that the vaccine will be effective against roughly 30% of H3 viruses this year.

on the flu thread.
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Re: Vaccinations

Postby Silverstarqueen » Feb 10th, 2018, 11:53 am

According to the latest FluWatch report of the Public Health Agency of Canada released Friday, five children under 16 have died of the flu in Canada as of Feb. 3.

The illness has also resulted in 511 pediatric hospital admissions.

In all, there have been 130 deaths and 3,108 hospital admissions in Canada due to flu this season.
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Re: Vaccinations

Postby kgcayenne » Feb 10th, 2018, 12:01 pm

Is it getting worse in recent years, or have flu deaths been historically showing up in these kinds of numbers?
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Re: Vaccinations

Postby Because_They_Lie » Feb 13th, 2018, 5:33 pm

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Re: Vaccinations

Postby Fancy » Feb 14th, 2018, 6:18 pm

Shouldn't this have been posted on this?:

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Post the study.
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Re: Vaccinations

Postby Because_They_Lie » Feb 15th, 2018, 6:14 pm

kgcayenne wrote:Is it getting worse in recent years, or have flu deaths been historically showing up in these kinds of numbers?


I don't think they have kgcayenne, its quite unsettling.

Two years ago I got "something" - the hospital said it was viral flu - it took me out for approx. a full month. I have never experienced anything as awful and deadly as this illness.

I had never feared the flu in my life, since that bout two years ago I take EVERY precaution.

Scary stuff indeed!
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Re: Vaccinations

Postby Fancy » Feb 15th, 2018, 6:22 pm

Since you don' believe in mandatory vaccinations, don't you think it would have been prudent to have taken one yourself?
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Re: Vaccinations

Postby Silverstarqueen » Feb 15th, 2018, 7:32 pm

Thinktank wrote:so on an average year.

100 people in one room all got flu shots. 2 of them got the flu. And five got alzheimers later in life.

100 people in another room never got flu shots. 3 of them got the flu. And one got alzheimers later in life.

Was the flu shot effective?


100 people in one room all got flu shots. 2 of them got the flu. And five got alzheimers later in life.
and none died.

100 people in another room never got flu shots. 3 of them got the flu. And one got alzheimers later in life.
and one died, of pneumonia and cardiovascular complications.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23474244
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lance ... 40-6736(18)30143-0/fulltext
Twice the death rate.
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Re: Vaccinations

Postby Thinktank » Feb 16th, 2018, 6:37 am

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Ukraine is broke, and undertook a war on that portion of the country that provided 30% of GDP. Now a draft, for an army, for a war, for a government that will - get this - implement IMF/EU *austerity*.

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Re: Vaccinations

Postby Fancy » Feb 16th, 2018, 7:19 am

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Re: Vaccinations

Postby Because_They_Lie » Feb 16th, 2018, 10:08 am

Swiss pharmaceutical Novartis bribed Greek politicians and thousands of doctors

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On January 27, 2018, a post I did, “This flu season is an epidemic: Some died just 2 days after onset of symptoms,” elicited a torrent of comments from readers critical of Big Pharma, including assertions that drug companies pay doctors to prescribe medications and popularize flu shots.

A reporter for The Guardian just confirmed some of our worst suspicions.

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In a Feb. 12, 2018 report, Helena Smith writes that Greece is rocked by an industrial-scale scandal involving senior government officials and physicians accepting bribes from the Swiss drugmaker Novartis. Deputy Justice Minister Dimitris Papangelopoulos calls it “the biggest scandal since the establishment of the Greek state” almost 200 years ago.

Note: Novartis International AG is a multinational pharmaceutical company based in Basel, Switzerland. One of the world’s largest drugmakers by both market capitalization and sales, Novartis manufactures flu vaccines and the drugs clozapine (Clozaril), diclofenac (Voltaren), carbamazepine (Tegretol), valsartan (Diovan), imatinib mesylate (Gleevec/Glivec), ciclosporin (Neoral/Sandimmun), letrozole (Femara), methylphenidate (Ritalin), terbinafine (Lamisil), and others.

According to a report compiled by Greek anti-corruption prosecutors with the help of U.S. authorities, between 2006 to 2015, Novartis bribed politicians to approve overpriced contracts, as well as paid thousands of doctors to boost sales.

The government officials who accepted bribes include:
◾Two former prime ministers Antonis Samaras and Panagiotis Pikrammenos.
◾Eight former ministers.
◾Governor of the Bank of Greece.
◾EU migration commissioner Dimitris Avramopoulos.

According to the Greek government, altogether, the kickbacks exceeded €50m ($61.97 million), at a cost to the Greek public health system of more than €4bn ($4.96 billion).

Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras has called for a parliamentary investigation, vowing there could be no cover-up: “We will make use of every power afforded by national and international law to recover the money stolen from the Greek people down to the last euro. We will do everything we can to reveal the truth.”

MPs will vote on establishing a committee of inquiry later this month. Only parliament has the power to investigate politicians for alleged infractions during their term in office.

The report’s reliance on three unnamed witnesses – who are currently under government protection – has been especially criticized, and legal experts contend that the claims would not stand up in court. The allegations have been rebutted vehemently by the accused:
◾EU commissioner Avramopoulos, accused of purchasing 16 million anti-flu vaccines from Novartis while health minister between 2006 and 2009, demanded that the identity of the witnesses be revealed. He said he is “disgusted” at the fabrications created by “sick minds”.
◾Vowing he would take legal action against PM Tsipras, former prime minister Samaras, who is accused of accepting suitcases stuffed with cash, calls the charges politically motivated and “the most ruthless and ridiculous conspiracy theory ever”.
◾Former PM Pikrammenos, who headed a caretaker government in May-June 2012, said he had never known anyone at Novartis.
◾Former deputy premier and finance minister Evangelos Venizelos denounced the claims as “a cheap political diversion”.

In a statement, Novartis said it was cooperating fully with Greek and US authorities: “We have also been conducting our own internal investigation. We are determined to fully understand the situation and accept responsibility for any actions that fell below our high standards of ethical business conduct. If any wrongdoing is found we will take fast and decisive action and do everything possible to prevent further misconduct.”

Novartis has faced similar investigations in recent years:
◾In 2017, South Korea fined the company $48m for offering kickbacks to doctors.
◾In April 2013, federal prosecutors filed two lawsuits against Novartis under the False Claims Act for off-label marketing and kickbacks. 27 states, the District of Columbia, and the cities of Chicago and New York joined the lawsuits. In both suits, prosecutors are seeking treble damages (source: Wikipedia): ◾The first suit accused Novartis of inducing pharmacies to switch thousands of kidney transplant patients to its immunosuppressant drug Myfortic in exchange for kickbacks disguised as rebates and discounts.
◾In the second suit, the Justice Department joined a whistleblower (qui tam) lawsuit brought by a former sales rep over off-label marketing of three drugs: hypertension drugs Lotrel and Valturna, and the diabetes drug, Starlix.
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Re: Vaccinations

Postby Fancy » Feb 16th, 2018, 10:40 am

They'll get that sorted out one way or the other and really nothing to do with vaccination programs here in Canada.

Funny though since that was in 2016 I think and aren't they still vaccinating?

http://venice.cineca.org/documents/greece_ip.pdf

Easy enough to find out:

https://vaccine-schedule.ecdc.europa.eu/
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Re: Vaccinations

Postby Jonrox » Feb 16th, 2018, 4:47 pm

84 kids in the US have died due to flu so far this season. 3 out of 4 of them were not vaccinated.
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