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rustled wrote: Sep 8th, 2021, 7:41 am
Silverstarqueen wrote: Sep 8th, 2021, 6:40 am The residents have a choice because you can't throw someone out of their home if they don't vaccinate. Freedoms/Rights, remember?
Employees however, can certainly have certain requirements for employment, which they either meet, or they choose employement which has different requirements.
That's not addressing the elephant in the room.

There's already a labour shortage - not enough care workers.

As binky11 pointed out, when some of the current workers say they'd rather exercise their right to find other employment than comply with this newly imposed requirement for their continued employment, the shortage will become more acute. People seem indifferent to this consequence.
I am concerned. It could have a serious impact on an already understaffed medical community. But again, what is the answer?

I suspect that many will change their minds about leaving their jobs when they realize that no other medical facility will hire them if they aren't vaccinated.
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mexi cali wrote: Sep 8th, 2021, 9:12 am
rustled wrote: Sep 8th, 2021, 7:41 am

That's not addressing the elephant in the room.

There's already a labour shortage - not enough care workers.

As binky11 pointed out, when some of the current workers say they'd rather exercise their right to find other employment than comply with this newly imposed requirement for their continued employment, the shortage will become more acute. People seem indifferent to this consequence.
I am concerned. It could have a serious impact on an already understaffed medical community. But again, what is the answer?
When the most obvious answer doesn't suit the narrative, perhaps it's time to examine the narrative.
mexi cali wrote: I suspect that many will change their minds about leaving their jobs when they realize that no other medical facility will hire them if they aren't vaccinated.
Perhaps - although there may be a significant number who choose instead to change careers or retire early.
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cv23 wrote: Sep 5th, 2021, 6:46 pm How much sense does it make to make an employee responsible to check for vaccinations when that very employee doesn’t have to be vaccinated to be in the very establishment they are restricting entrance to only vaccinated people????
Very few seem to be concerned about this it seems... but I was wondering the same thing. A waiter for example can work an 8 hour shift in a restaurant, but cannot then dine at that very same restaurant? Or would they be exempt since they work there and as a guest they would be permitted regardless of vaccination status?
Also, if this is about anti-bodies and health, what about those who were vaccinated and did not amount an immune response? They are okay, but people who have anti-bodies from natural infection are not okay? If this about keeping people safe and healthy, shouldn't we be concentrating more on actually immunity?
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SensibleOne wrote: Sep 8th, 2021, 10:21 am
cv23 wrote: Sep 5th, 2021, 6:46 pm How much sense does it make to make an employee responsible to check for vaccinations when that very employee doesn’t have to be vaccinated to be in the very establishment they are restricting entrance to only vaccinated people????
Very few seem to be concerned about this it seems... but I was wondering the same thing. A waiter for example can work an 8 hour shift in a restaurant, but cannot then dine at that very same restaurant? Or would they be exempt since they work there and as a guest they would be permitted regardless of vaccination status?
Also, if this is about anti-bodies and health, what about those who were vaccinated and did not amount an immune response? They are okay, but people who have anti-bodies from natural infection are not okay? If this about keeping people safe and healthy, shouldn't we be concentrating more on actually immunity?
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Word goes around each province gets huge cash from the feds if the start the vax passport program. I’ve heard a billion dollars
No wonder they are doing it

Cash before science.
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samsquench07 wrote: Sep 8th, 2021, 11:07 am Word goes around each province gets huge cash from the feds if the start the vax passport program. I’ve heard a billion dollars
No wonder they are doing it

Cash before science.
This funding was part of Health Gateway planning before COVID hit. We were already going to a digital vaccination repository. COVID just accelerated the funding.
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mexi cali wrote: Sep 8th, 2021, 9:12 am
rustled wrote: Sep 8th, 2021, 7:41 am That's not addressing the elephant in the room. There's already a labour shortage - not enough care workers.

As binky11 pointed out, when some of the current workers say they'd rather exercise their right to find other employment than comply with this newly imposed requirement for their continued employment, the shortage will become more acute. People seem indifferent to this consequence.
I am concerned. It could have a serious impact on an already understaffed medical community. But again, what is the answer?
My guess is the issue is overblown. You won't find LTC or other nursing staff quitting in droves.

I am also gonna guess that those who are accountable for ensuring care delivery (aka, those requiring vaccines for their staff) have a far clearer gauge on the staffing impacts related to those who choose to quit or retire.

All in all, just more evidence countering the claim that there are 'many' nurses out there who refuse to get vaccinated. Sounds like a pretty small percentage.
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marooned wrote: Sep 8th, 2021, 11:27 am
mexi cali wrote: Sep 8th, 2021, 9:12 am
I am concerned. It could have a serious impact on an already understaffed medical community. But again, what is the answer?
My guess is the issue is overblown. You won't find LTC or other nursing staff quitting in droves.

I am also gonna guess that those who are accountable for ensuring care delivery (aka, those requiring vaccines for their staff) have a far clearer gauge on the staffing impacts related to those who choose to quit or retire.

All in all, just more evidence countering the claim that there are 'many' nurses out there who refuse to get vaccinated. Sounds like a pretty small percentage.
But currently even a "small percentage" could make all the difference. Todays headline about patient dying whilst waiting for treatment in Kamloops hospital will no doubt be blamed on over capacity due to unvaccinated COVID patients yet staffing shortages have long been an issue. Many of those nursing staff and care home staff constantly complaining of long hours, feeling burnt out and more so it would be no surprise if we saw many head off to other careers or early retirement.
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dodgerdodge wrote: Sep 8th, 2021, 6:35 pm
marooned wrote: Sep 8th, 2021, 11:27 am

My guess is the issue is overblown. You won't find LTC or other nursing staff quitting in droves.

I am also gonna guess that those who are accountable for ensuring care delivery (aka, those requiring vaccines for their staff) have a far clearer gauge on the staffing impacts related to those who choose to quit or retire.

All in all, just more evidence countering the claim that there are 'many' nurses out there who refuse to get vaccinated. Sounds like a pretty small percentage.
But currently even a "small percentage" could make all the difference. Todays headline about patient dying whilst waiting for treatment in Kamloops hospital will no doubt be blamed on over capacity due to unvaccinated COVID patients yet staffing shortages have long been an issue. Many of those nursing staff and care home staff constantly complaining of long hours, feeling burnt out and more so it would be no surprise if we saw many head off to other careers or early retirement.

I have a family member who works at a care home in West Kelowna. She says if they only lose 1 care aid, it will be bad. But they won’t lose just one, it will be anywhere from 5-30. Sure, some might be coerced into getting it. ( a terrible shame) but most who have not got it by now, simply won’t. Yes, they are short staffed now and burnt out. They can’t do the work of 5 care aids. The residents will suffer. Thanks Bonnie, shows how much you care about these residents. The care aids that are left will also be forced to leave as their work loads increase behind their capacity. They were in the midst of training more care aids, they are 1/2 way through being certified. More of the tax payers money down the drain as this course was being offered at YOUR expense because they were already so short staffed. Yes, losing even just one of them will have an impact.
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flamingfingers wrote: Sep 9th, 2021, 12:52 pm ^^^
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A well written letter to the editor. About sums it up.


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