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Just read this article :https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story--3-.htm
Seems like they can not get it together... just seems like Fraser Health, Interior Health and North Health all run independent and our Government just says oh well... !!!!
I seen some reports to the Shoe Lady from these bureaucratic empires that where careless with the truth..lol
Me thinks this costs us taxpayers big coin... and needs a shake up from the top down
I understand that all regions are different but at least have the same rules for all of BC !!!
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What's the problem? Most provinces have different health authorities that issue their own guidelines. Ontario has something like 19 and if I remember correctly, at least 10 Covid colour zones - each with a different set of guidelines depending on the severity of cases.
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Thank goodness for Canada’s universal public healthcare system. It’s not perfect, but when you inevitably get sick and are taken care of by our system, you likely won’t see medical bills forcing you into bankruptcy. Many for profit US hospitals are going bankrupt, in part because their patients are declaring bankruptcy due to massive healthcare bills. A large percentage in US have no health insurance, and many employer plans are minimal and a component of pay packages, if employed.
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Why, when people discuss our :cuss: up medical system, they can't help comparing it to the American system?

Our system is a mess. No if, ands or buts about it, and since Covid came on the scene it's gone even further downhill.

Yes, the American system has more than enough drawbacks, so why even discuss it.
Don't waste your time talking about it.

How about looking elsewhere at other superior medical systems.

A number of years ago I was hospitalized in Germany. Fast, efficient, modern and cheap.

More recently a family member was hospitalized in Mexico. Fast, efficient, not quite modern but cheap.

I have a family member who was in an accident six months ago. Incapacitated, can't drive, can barely walk, constant pain and just this month the injury was finally classified as requiring urgent surgery. The surgeon's comment " unfortunately surgery may not happen for three to six months, hopefully".
We are now in talks with a private surgical clinic.

Yes, our system is a dumpster fire.
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bb49: Yes Canada’s healthcare system is certainly flawed, but I’d rather have this than the US’. I agree that there are better systems, especially in some European and perhaps some Asian countries that would be better models. Perhaps there’s enough funding in our system, but the money is sometimes poorly managed, even locally.

There are likely insiders who know where the flaws are and how to fix them (Covid is an extraordinary time for all countries).
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Any ideas as to how to improve upon our Canadian system?
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nepal wrote: Jan 11th, 2022, 11:46 pm bb49: Yes Canada’s healthcare system is certainly flawed, but I’d rather have this than the US’. I agree that there are better systems, especially in some European and perhaps some Asian countries that would be better models. Perhaps there’s enough funding in our system, but the money is sometimes poorly managed, even locally.

There are likely insiders who know where the flaws are and how to fix them (Covid is an extraordinary time for all countries).
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Any ideas as to how to improve upon our Canadian system?
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Just jumping in here..
Nurses in Canada are discouraged from speaking about Covid or they get punished. Don't expect much feedback for their take on the pandemic. As far as the system as a whole, a really good start to making the system better is to bring back all the nurses our provinces fired now that the vaccines are about as useful as a screen door on a submarine for a virus that has a 99% survival rate. If the system is so swamped why haven't they brought out the covid tents and the covid arenas that were everywhere at the beginning of the pandemic? I mean every town across Canada pretty much had pop up overflow treatment centres complete with ventilators and nurses doing Tic-Tok dance videos. Why isn't that up and running again? Oh... ya. They fired all the heroes.
None of what we're seeing right now in Canada is about health and safety.
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bb49 wrote: Jan 11th, 2022, 10:33 pm Why, when people discuss our :cuss: up medical system, they can't help comparing it to the American system?

Our system is a mess. No if, ands or buts about it, and since Covid came on the scene it's gone even further downhill.

Yes, the American system has more than enough drawbacks, so why even discuss it.
Don't waste your time talking about it.

How about looking elsewhere at other superior medical systems.
A number of years ago I was hospitalized in Germany. Fast, efficient, modern and cheap.
More recently a family member was hospitalized in Mexico. Fast, efficient, not quite modern but cheap.
I have a family member who was in an accident six months ago. Incapacitated, can't drive, can barely walk, constant pain and just this month the injury was finally classified as requiring urgent surgery. The surgeon's comment " unfortunately surgery may not happen for three to six months, hopefully".
We are now in talks with a private surgical clinic.

Yes, our system is a dumpster fire.
I don't know how mexico's system works, is it equally available to all? and was that family member needing the same degree of complex care that your other family member required after accident? Do mexican health workers get paid as well as our workers? So I don't think you can compare health care systems which selectively treat well insured patients, to Canada's system which has to treat one and all.
Germany does have a good system, from what I have heard. To compare, we would have to know how much they put into it from their coffers to support it. Is Canada willing to increase its investment in health care for all?
And I doubt that most countries are providing the same level of service to all in the middle of a pandemic.
The demographics of our population is very different than countries with a higher population of young people (not sure where mexico for instance fall on that). So our big problem is that we have a large group of aging population in Canada, that coincides which a lot of nurses, doctors and other health care workers retiring. This has been going on for years, but just gradually gets worse. It used to be that nursing was one of the few options for women seeking a professional career, now they have so many other options for jobs that are less stressful, and less over-worked. Having workers regularly pull extra shifts is just going to burn out your workers.
Would Canadians really be willing to have a health system where family members need to help out with hospital care, or they have to pay up front, or on discharge, for procedures?
https://internationalliving.com/countri ... alth-care/
I would bet that even in Germany elective surgeries have taken a hit during the pandemic, as they have just about anywhere.
https://www.marwoodgroup.com/wp-content ... cation.pdf
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Silverstarqueen wrote: Jan 12th, 2022, 5:58 am
bb49 wrote: Jan 11th, 2022, 10:33 pm Why, when people discuss our :cuss: up medical system, they can't help comparing it to the American system?

Our system is a mess. No if, ands or buts about it, and since Covid came on the scene it's gone even further downhill.

Yes, the American system has more than enough drawbacks, so why even discuss it.
Don't waste your time talking about it.

How about looking elsewhere at other superior medical systems.
A number of years ago I was hospitalized in Germany. Fast, efficient, modern and cheap.
More recently a family member was hospitalized in Mexico. Fast, efficient, not quite modern but cheap.
I have a family member who was in an accident six months ago. Incapacitated, can't drive, can barely walk, constant pain and just this month the injury was finally classified as requiring urgent surgery. The surgeon's comment " unfortunately surgery may not happen for three to six months, hopefully".
We are now in talks with a private surgical clinic.

Yes, our system is a dumpster fire.
I don't know how mexico's system works, is it equally available to all? and was that family member needing the same degree of complex care that your other family member required after accident? Do mexican health workers get paid as well as our workers? So I don't think you can compare health care systems which selectively treat well insured patients, to Canada's system which has to treat one and all.
Germany does have a good system, from what I have heard. To compare, we would have to know how much they put into it from their coffers to support it. Is Canada willing to increase its investment in health care for all?
And I doubt that most countries are providing the same level of service to all in the middle of a pandemic.
The demographics of our population is very different than countries with a higher population of young people (not sure where mexico for instance fall on that). So our big problem is that we have a large group of aging population in Canada, that coincides which a lot of nurses, doctors and other health care workers retiring. This has been going on for years, but just gradually gets worse. It used to be that nursing was one of the few options for women seeking a professional career, now they have so many other options for jobs that are less stressful, and less over-worked. Having workers regularly pull extra shifts is just going to burn out your workers.
Would Canadians really be willing to have a health system where family members need to help out with hospital care, or they have to pay up front, or on discharge, for procedures?
https://internationalliving.com/countri ... alth-care/
I would bet that even in Germany elective surgeries have taken a hit during the pandemic, as they have just about anywhere.
https://www.marwoodgroup.com/wp-content ... cation.pdf
So...Why did they fire all the health care workers for not taking the vax? To prevent transmission? To prevent the hospital workers from having to go to the hospital? They should also fire those health care workers if they ride those scooters because the potential strain on the hospitals if they need orthopaedic surgery for injuries.

I say fire anybody who does anything that may force you to go to the hospital. Smoke, drink, drugs, pharmaceuticals, sports, carelessness, at fault automobile accidents.

This is how dumb these proposals sound.
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Silverstarqueen wrote: Jan 12th, 2022, 5:58 am
bb49 wrote: Jan 11th, 2022, 10:33 pm Why, when people discuss our :cuss: up medical system, they can't help comparing it to the American system?

Our system is a mess. No if, ands or buts about it, and since Covid came on the scene it's gone even further downhill.

Yes, the American system has more than enough drawbacks, so why even discuss it.
Don't waste your time talking about it.

How about looking elsewhere at other superior medical systems.
A number of years ago I was hospitalized in Germany. Fast, efficient, modern and cheap.
More recently a family member was hospitalized in Mexico. Fast, efficient, not quite modern but cheap.
I have a family member who was in an accident six months ago. Incapacitated, can't drive, can barely walk, constant pain and just this month the injury was finally classified as requiring urgent surgery. The surgeon's comment " unfortunately surgery may not happen for three to six months, hopefully".
We are now in talks with a private surgical clinic.

Yes, our system is a dumpster fire.
I don't know how mexico's system works, is it equally available to all? and was that family member needing the same degree of complex care that your other family member required after accident? Do mexican health workers get paid as well as our workers? So I don't think you can compare health care systems which selectively treat well insured patients, to Canada's system which has to treat one and all.
Germany does have a good system, from what I have heard. To compare, we would have to know how much they put into it from their coffers to support it. Is Canada willing to increase its investment in health care for all?
And I doubt that most countries are providing the same level of service to all in the middle of a pandemic.
The demographics of our population is very different than countries with a higher population of young people (not sure where mexico for instance fall on that). So our big problem is that we have a large group of aging population in Canada, that coincides which a lot of nurses, doctors and other health care workers retiring. This has been going on for years, but just gradually gets worse. It used to be that nursing was one of the few options for women seeking a professional career, now they have so many other options for jobs that are less stressful, and less over-worked. Having workers regularly pull extra shifts is just going to burn out your workers.
Would Canadians really be willing to have a health system where family members need to help out with hospital care, or they have to pay up front, or on discharge, for procedures?
https://internationalliving.com/countri ... alth-care/
I would bet that even in Germany elective surgeries have taken a hit during the pandemic, as they have just about anywhere.
https://www.marwoodgroup.com/wp-content ... cation.pdf
Socialized health care promotes abuse of the body. "I can get fat and sick and the system will pay for me" There should be requirements in order to be able to use the system. Within a certain body mass index and mandatory exercise. No vaccines would help drastically as well. That's likely what's happening now. THe system is being exposed and many will never get another vaccine. It's simply poison and the natural body with proper nutrition and lifestyle would eliminate diseases. So many cancers, autism, neurological issues, low IQ, obesity....all are from vaccines.
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Silverstarqueen wrote: Jan 12th, 2022, 5:58 am
bb49 wrote: Jan 11th, 2022, 10:33 pm .
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Yes, our system is a dumpster fire.
I don't know how mexico's system works, is it equally available to all? and was that family member needing the same degree of complex care that your other family member required after accident? Do mexican health workers get paid as well as our workers? So I don't think you can compare health care systems which selectively treat well insured patients, to Canada's system which has to treat one and all.
Germany does have a good system, from what I have heard. To compare, we would have to know how much they put into it from their coffers to support it. Is Canada willing to increase its investment in health care for all?
And I doubt that most countries are providing the same level of service to all in the middle of a pandemic.
The demographics of our population is very different than countries with a higher population of young people (not sure where mexico for instance fall on that). So our big problem is that we have a large group of aging population in Canada, that coincides which a lot of nurses, doctors and other health care workers retiring. This has been going on for years, but just gradually gets worse. It used to be that nursing was one of the few options for women seeking a professional career, now they have so many other options for jobs that are less stressful, and less over-worked. Having workers regularly pull extra shifts is just going to burn out your workers.
Would Canadians really be willing to have a health system where family members need to help out with hospital care, or they have to pay up front, or on discharge, for procedures?
https://internationalliving.com/countri ... alth-care/
I would bet that even in Germany elective surgeries have taken a hit during the pandemic, as they have just about anywhere.
https://www.marwoodgroup.com/wp-content ... cation.pdf
Anyone can walk into a Mexican hospital, public or private, and receive care.

The degree of complex care in Mexico in that instance was very severe. They were on deaths door.

The current issue is not complex in any way. Simply a shortage of specialists.

How does the pay of a Mexican health worker come into this? Completely irrelevant.
BTW, as far as I know, the majority of Mexican doctors receive their training in America.

Yes, covid has made our medical system worse, but it was bad before.

Calling it a dumpster fire is incorrect.
If ICBC is a dumpster fire, Canada's medical system is Mount St. Helens.

And we don't really need to increase funding that much, simply allocate it better.
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Socialized health care promotes abuse of the body. "I can get fat and sick and the system will pay for me" There should be requirements in order to be able to use the system. Within a certain body mass index and mandatory exercise. No vaccines would help drastically as well. That's likely what's happening now. THe system is being exposed and many will never get another vaccine. It's simply poison and the natural body with proper nutrition and lifestyle would eliminate diseases. So many cancers, autism, neurological issues, low IQ, obesity....all are from vaccines.
I've found that some of the unhealthiest people both physically and mentally are the authoritarian pro vaxxers. I think it has something to do with offloading personal responsibility onto the "other" or collective.
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Kelownamade wrote: Jan 12th, 2022, 11:13 am Socialized health care promotes abuse of the body. "I can get fat and sick and the system will pay for me" There should be requirements in order to be able to use the system. Within a certain body mass index and mandatory exercise.
Then why is the USA one of the fattest countries in the world???
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Popeye69 wrote: Jan 12th, 2022, 12:06 am Nurses in Canada are discouraged from speaking about Covid or they get punished. Don't expect much feedback for their take on the pandemic.
I don't believe any of the nurses are scared to talk about anything health related. Anytime there is a little hiccup or staff shortage the Nurses Union sure get their commercials plastered all over the TV. Granted they do deserve better treatment and better pay.
nepal wrote: Jan 11th, 2022, 11:46 pm Any ideas as to how to improve upon our Canadian system?
Considering that healthcare is a Top 3 concern for Canadian's during each federal and provincial election, you simply need to put the blame on those Canadians that keep supporting/voting a "certain" Govt into office for the past 8 years+. Until that changes any chance for improvement to our HC system falls on deaf ears!!
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whatwhat wrote: Jan 12th, 2022, 12:20 pm
Kelownamade wrote: Jan 12th, 2022, 11:13 am Socialized health care promotes abuse of the body. "I can get fat and sick and the system will pay for me" There should be requirements in order to be able to use the system. Within a certain body mass index and mandatory exercise.
Then why is the USA one of the fattest countries in the world???
Because they have health insurance companies who collude with big pharma. They want sick people to push up premiums which make all of them more money. They need to make health care really cheap for healthy people, remove all the toxic drugs used to fix toxic lifestyles. You cannot medicate health when you make poor choices.
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WESTman wrote: Jan 12th, 2022, 12:18 pm
Socialized health care promotes abuse of the body. "I can get fat and sick and the system will pay for me" There should be requirements in order to be able to use the system. Within a certain body mass index and mandatory exercise. No vaccines would help drastically as well. That's likely what's happening now. THe system is being exposed and many will never get another vaccine. It's simply poison and the natural body with proper nutrition and lifestyle would eliminate diseases. So many cancers, autism, neurological issues, low IQ, obesity....all are from vaccines.
I've found that some of the unhealthiest people both physically and mentally are the authoritarian pro vaxxers. I think it has something to do with offloading personal responsibility onto the "other" or collective.
Couldn’t agree more!

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