Bkr. Is heart disease increasing around the World?

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Chicken pox comes back years later as shingles, because the virus has been hiding in your body for years.
It has been shown that covid attacks more than just the lungs, it affects the heart, liver etc and we have no idea if it comes back in a few years as dementia, knock knees or club foot, strokes heart attacks or poverty.

My doctor told me when he got the vaccination & if he got it I wanted it.

If you do not care enough about your neighbors, family and friends to get the shot, do not expect the rest of us to care about you.
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How does caring for neighbors correlate to the vax?
As the vax has been PROVEN to not stop transmission?
Or are you still basing your opinion on outdated info readily available???
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Here's some current data:
Covid-19 Vaccine Effectiveness against the Omicron (B.1.1.529) Variant
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Primary immunization with two doses of ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 or BNT162b2 vaccine provided limited protection against symptomatic disease caused by the omicron variant. A BNT162b2 or mRNA-1273 booster after either the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 or BNT162b2 primary course substantially increased protection, but that protection waned over time ..........
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/N ... re%20weeks.
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Of course Haert disease is going up , it is of the 42,000 side effects of the vaccine.

At least its a real possibility after all that pyzer data was released. Dr John Campbell just released his analysis of some of the documents released by pfyzer, and by what he says "I wouldn't call this safe". You can google him and watch it on yotube if you want. :up:
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Mayotruck wrote: Mar 9th, 2022, 2:03 pm Of course Haert disease is going up , it is of the 42,000 side effects of the vaccine.

At least its a real possibility after all that pyzer data was released. Dr John Campbell just released his analysis of some of the documents released by pfyzer, and by what he says "I wouldn't call this safe". You can google him and watch it on yotube if you want. :up:
Your information is sometimes incorrect so by all means post a report from Dr. Campbell.
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Mayotruck wrote: Mar 9th, 2022, 2:03 pm Of course Haert disease is going up , it is of the 42,000 side effects of the vaccine.

At least its a real possibility after all that pyzer data was released. Dr John Campbell just released his analysis of some of the documents released by pfyzer, and by what he says "I wouldn't call this safe". You can google him and watch it on yotube if you want. :up:
So he hasn't even done a thorough analysis of the 10,000 pages so far (which only covers to about Feb 2021), but he's already decided that the vaccine isn't safe? Seems a teeny bit biased, doesn't it?
There are yet over 300,000 pages to be released (80,000 later this year), but he's reached his conclusions already, lol.
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Mayotruck wrote: Mar 9th, 2022, 2:03 pm Of course Haert disease is going up , it is of the 42,000 side effects of the vaccine.

At least its a real possibility after all that pyzer data was released. Dr John Campbell just released his analysis of some of the documents released by pfyzer, and by what he says "I wouldn't call this safe". You can google him and watch it on yotube if you want. :up:
the data did not show in increase in heart disease. It wasn't set up to do that (at least not the data available so far). Unless you can show a large-ish group of unvaccinated, and a comparable (for age, health risks) group of vaccinated, and show an increase in heart disease, in the vaccinated group, you got nada on that count.
I don't know what all 42,000 side effects were included, but if it was "sore arm", or "headache" or "fatigue" these are things that might be expected after a vaccine. So what we would be more interested in would be "serious adverse events" again a comparison between the two experimental and control groups.
So amongst these 42,000 side effects reported, there were things like 5000 cases of pain at injection site, or 5000 cases of chills, 5000 cases of fever, 7000 cases of fatigue, 5000 cases of nausea, 10,000 cases of headache, 5000 cases of myalgia (achey muscles) that's already 42,000 effects right there and we've only covered seven symptoms. So not exactly things that would make a vaccine "unsafe".
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Yup. the vaccine.. time will show.
Now lets all imagine the people that could see this coming because of their medical expertise, and what would have happened to them speaking out. They would have lost their jobs and careers because of a legitimate worry they had as a medical professional had the government already had in place whatever they're trying to do to combat what they call missnformation.
Who are they going to put in charge to decide what is misinformation.
The truth is what starts as conspiracies theories early in any situation a lot of time comes to be the truth. And you want to silence people that have legitimate concerns and worried about each of us when we know our government doesn't care one bit about us. Any proposals to the government brings to combat what they call missinformation should be rejected firmly by the Canadian public. I just pray the sheeple don't allow it to bring us all down because of their complacency.( hope I use the word properly but I'm sure you get the meaning of what I'm saying)
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Mayotruck wrote: Mar 9th, 2022, 2:03 pm Of course Haert disease is going up , it is of the 42,000 side effects of the vaccine.

At least its a real possibility after all that pyzer data was released. Dr John Campbell just released his analysis of some of the documents released by pfyzer, and by what he says "I wouldn't call this safe". You can google him and watch it on yotube if you want. :up:
Heart disease does not happen because of the vaccine or any other factor except nutrition. What we eat has the most effect on our hearts than any other thing. The biggest single factor in the development of heart disease is SUGAR. Sugar leads to the development of non alcoholic fatty liver disease, when the liver fills up beyond it's capacity to store the fat that is directly caused by the fructose in sugar that fat spills out into your abdomen as visceral fat and surrounds your other organs and your heart.
Electron microscopy has demonstrated that when the Glycocalyx, which are the microscopic hair like structures that line the blood vessels are contacted by sugar they rapidly shrink and expose the underlying lining and lead to the creation of plaques that constrict them and cause strokes. Heart disease can take decades of abuse to develop. Once you have atherosclerosis, heart disease, diabetes, kidney damage, high blood pressure fatty liver and the associated diseases of metabolic syndrome, contracting Covid 19 could be the death knell for you.
Decades of slow decline can rapidly deteriorate into severe illness because the body is so severely compromised. You simply cannot blame heart disease on Covid 19 because heart disease is a pre-existing condition that developed over decades of poor health choices. The majority of deaths and severe illness from covid 19 are amongst the obese and those with metabolic syndrome and typically are those over the age of 60.
No amount of exercise can correct this condition, only a well balanced diet free from sugar and highly processed food containing excess sugar and manufactured seed oils can do this. It will be unlikely to happen because most people are addicted to processed food and could not give it up.
So it is easier to blame Covid 19 for their woes than to face the truth about their poor dietary choices.
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common_sense_guy wrote: Mar 10th, 2022, 8:13 am Yup. the vaccine.. time will show.
Now lets all imagine the people that could see this coming because of their medical expertise, and what would have happened to them speaking out. They would have lost their jobs and careers because of a legitimate worry they had as a medical professional had the government already had in place whatever they're trying to do to combat what they call missnformation.
Who are they going to put in charge to decide what is misinformation.
The truth is what starts as conspiracies theories early in any situation a lot of time comes to be the truth. And you want to silence people that have legitimate concerns and worried about each of us when we know our government doesn't care one bit about us. Any proposals to the government brings to combat what they call missinformation should be rejected firmly by the Canadian public. I just pray the sheeple don't allow it to bring us all down because of their complacency.( hope I use the word properly but I'm sure you get the meaning of what I'm saying)
If any medical experts want to run a properly conducted study on any aspects of vaccines they certainly could do that (there are already many ongoing already). There is nothing to prevent them from submitting a well designed study for peer review and publication.
Conspiracy theories don't "become truth". Some are totally wrong, some are partly wrong, some have some grain of truth, maybe, but are unproven. There seems to be a weird kind of logic out there that if you can come up with a theory, no matter how far-fetched it's going to be proven true at some point. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. so let's not confuse everyone's crackpot theories and guesses, with diligent well constructed scientific studies. Show us studies, let us see in detail how they were condutcted, let us see the comments or critiques of other researchers.

Health care cannot be designed upon all these pet theories and then we all just vote on which one we think sounds good.
Just using the term "sheeple" really could apply to those who are following these theories which have little or no basis in actual fact.If Joe Rogan says it's so, then it must be so (which even he admits he knows little other than his own experience being infected and a few good stories). so Letters to editors, facebook shared experiences, are all wonderful for entertainment, but should not be used to make public health policy. Information about new variants, rates of transmission, rates of hospitalization, case fatality ratios, these are more helpful, but predicting which way they will go, works maybe in the short term, but have sometimes been inadequate in the long term. So yes numbers are looking better and better the last few weeks, but numbers world wide also have to be considered, to be able to look ahead a bit and see what the virus or vaccines are doing elsewhere.
Looking at data from Feb 2021, on how many thousands of people got a headache, a sore arm, muscle aches, nausea, diarrhea, fatigue, from a vaccine given over a year ago, is not going to help us much with what will be the result with the next, newer vaccine vs. the next variant. Hair-brained populat ideas like taking horse wormer for the last two years didn't work out so well for poor countries like Peru, their attempts at using that and "natural immunity" resulted in death rates far higher (five or so times higher) than other rich countries which had the vaccine. So just because an idea catches on with some, does not mean it actually works any better than snake oil ever did.
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I Think wrote: Mar 9th, 2022, 12:26 pm Chicken pox comes back years later as shingles, because the virus has been hiding in your body for years.
It has been shown that covid attacks more than just the lungs, it affects the heart, liver etc and we have no idea if it comes back in a few years as dementia, knock knees or club foot, strokes heart attacks or poverty.

My doctor told me when he got the vaccination & if he got it I wanted it.

If you do not care enough about your neighbors, family and friends to get the shot, do not expect the rest of us to care about you.
How is someone not getting the shot such a big danger to everyone else? Like if one person in the group is not vaccinated, they are some big threat to your health? It's very interesting that people see it that way. and do they see it that way or are they just saying that cause that is what our own health officer and prime minister are putting into people heads. Spreading hate. No wonder some people are so hateful when the leader of our country is the same way.
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Grandan wrote: Mar 10th, 2022, 8:26 am
The biggest single factor in the development of heart disease is SUGAR.
A few decades ago, your comment would have been considered anti-science misinformation.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... ct/2548255



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In case you forgot. Here is a breakdown of the pfizer vax trials and how effective the shot is. Remember you were duped/confused about efficacy when pfizer used RRR vs. ARR. There is a huge difference!

https://worldcouncilforhealth.org/multi ... is-pfizer/
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ekir8 wrote: Mar 10th, 2022, 10:45 am
Grandan wrote: Mar 10th, 2022, 8:26 am
The biggest single factor in the development of heart disease is SUGAR.
A few decades ago, your comment would have been considered anti-science misinformation.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... ct/2548255




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In his landmark book Pure White and Deadly, How Sugar is Killing us and What we can do to Stop it authored by John Yudkin in 1972 he made the case against sugar in our diet. He was soundly denounced for his views particularly by the big food industry and big sugar. As it turned out he has been proven correct by recent studies by Dr. Robert Lustig Jr who wrote the forward to the 2012 edition of Yudkin's book. Lustig goes so far as to say that sugar is a toxin.
The food industry has perpetrated a fraud against the American people and the rest of the world fell for the scam.
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marbles1979 wrote: Mar 10th, 2022, 10:18 am
I Think wrote: Mar 9th, 2022, 12:26 pm

If you do not care enough about your neighbors, family and friends to get the shot, do not expect the rest of us to care about you.
How is someone not getting the shot such a big danger to everyone else? Like if one person in the group is not vaccinated, they are some big threat to your health? It's very interesting that people see it that way. and do they see it that way or are they just saying that cause that is what our own health officer and prime minister are putting into people heads. Spreading hate. No wonder some people are so hateful when the leader of our country is the same way.
You seem to want to justify your anti vaxxer stance, save your fingers, there is no justification, and most folks (90% of us) think anti vaxxers are stupid and round shouldered.
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