The Right to Maintain Body Autonomy

[Bigbacardi]

Here we go....
Do I, as a right, have bodily autonomy?
Or is just an opinion, based on convenience?
At what point does my right to make my choices disappear, and others get to make my decisions?
There seems to be quite a gap.

[mexi cali]

As much as one would think that, as free thinking individuals we have complete autonomy over our bodies, in certain instances, we may not.

Abortion is an example.

When I mention this next one, I am not making a personal statement about my belief or not in our recent global situation but am merely making a point to your question.

While the burden of proof would be high in Canada, a Government could impose mandatory vaccinations for all citizens. This could prove to be extremely challenging but it could be done if the burden of proof could be met and the imminent need demonstrated.

It comes down to the needs of the many versus the rights of the one.

Patient care is another area where often times body autonomy is sacrificed for the "good" of the patient. Treatments requested can be refused for valid medical reasons and depending on the capacity of the patient, drugs that a patient has refused can be administered.

Maybe the most controversial example is the right to die. That is the ultimate breach of a persons ability to control his/her body but in many places in the world, people with no hope for a reasonable life are kept alive because of the wishes of the family or the laws of the land.

[spooker]

I understand where you're coming from, but I think the confusion comes from people not wanting to have consequences ...

Except for the fact that kids do not get a choice for the initial round of vaccinations there will always be a choice for an individual to choose what goes in ... but an authoritative body may be able to say what the consequences are depending on that choice ...

Governments say you shouldn't put drugs in your body, and the consequences for having the potential to do that can be severe ...

Governments have the power to deny abortions for women, and in the US the consequences vary from state to state ...

So yes, you have the right to body autonomy, but as with everything in life, decisions have consequences ... you may disagree with those consequences and that's also your right ... you have the right to protest and you have the right to vote ...

So many rights, so little time ...

[Boosted632]

I understand where you're coming from, but I think the confusion comes from people not wanting to have consequences ...

Except for the fact that kids do not get a choice for the initial round of vaccinations there will always be a choice for an individual to choose what goes in ... but an authoritative body may be able to say what the consequences are depending on that choice ...

Governments say you shouldn't put drugs in your body, and the consequences for having the potential to do that can be severe ...

Governments have the power to deny abortions for women, and in the US the consequences vary from state to state ...

So yes, you have the right to body autonomy, but as with everything in life, decisions have consequences ... you may disagree with those consequences and that's also your right ... you have the right to protest and you have the right to vote ...

So many rights, so little time ...

Yaaa except the consequences make zero sense, when your being told you cant do certain things because you wont get an experimental shot that doesn't stop you from getting or transmitting the cold where is the logic? There is none would be the correct answer.

[spooker]

I understand where you're coming from, but I think the confusion comes from people not wanting to have consequences ...

Except for the fact that kids do not get a choice for the initial round of vaccinations there will always be a choice for an individual to choose what goes in ... but an authoritative body may be able to say what the consequences are depending on that choice ...

Governments say you shouldn't put drugs in your body, and the consequences for having the potential to do that can be severe ...

Governments have the power to deny abortions for women, and in the US the consequences vary from state to state ...

So yes, you have the right to body autonomy, but as with everything in life, decisions have consequences ... you may disagree with those consequences and that's also your right ... you have the right to protest and you have the right to vote ...

So many rights, so little time ...

Yaaa except the consequences make zero sense, when your being told you cant do certain things because you wont get an experimental shot that doesn't stop you from getting or transmitting the cold where is the logic? There is none would be the correct answer.

If that's what you feel then you have the right to challenge it in court ... look! another right you can exercise!

[vinnied]

If that's what you feel then you have the right to challenge it in court ... look! another right you can exercise!

Yup, better get in line.
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-new ... -challenge
"COVID-19: Court rejects bid by B.C. government to throw out case against vaccination orders"

[spooker]

If that's what you feel then you have the right to challenge it in court ... look! another right you can exercise!

Yup, better get in line.
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-new ... -challenge
"COVID-19: Court rejects bid by B.C. government to throw out case against vaccination orders"

Already being discussed here: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=91188

[Silverstarqueen]

I understand where you're coming from, but I think the confusion comes from people not wanting to have consequences ...

Except for the fact that kids do not get a choice for the initial round of vaccinations there will always be a choice for an individual to choose what goes in ... but an authoritative body may be able to say what the consequences are depending on that choice ...
Governments say you shouldn't put drugs in your body, and the consequences for having the potential to do that can be severe ...
Governments have the power to deny abortions for women, and in the US the consequences vary from state to state ...
So yes, you have the right to body autonomy, but as with everything in life, decisions have consequences ... you may disagree with those consequences and that's also your right ... you have the right to protest and you have the right to vote ...

So many rights, so little time ...

Yaaa except the consequences make zero sense, when your being told you cant do certain things because you wont get an experimental shot that doesn't stop you from getting or transmitting the cold where is the logic? There is none would be the correct answer.

While Nuremberg ensures your right not to be experimented upon, the vaccine is not experimental so does not fall under that code.
Courts have upheld the right of government to put reasonable requirements (such as vaccines, masks, restricting access to non-essential locations, limiting entry to nursing homes and visiting hospitals) on citizens activities.
Some people are under the mistaken impression that we all can do whatever we want (unless a woman wants an abortion), but that is not true, never has been true, and probably never will be true.
People can chose to meet the requirements for any job, or not.The gov't could not impose an unreasonable requirement, but 15 min to get a shot is not excessive (in the courts opinion). It's not like they are asking people to cut off their leg.
AND the requirement is easily accessible, clinics in practically every town. More difficult for isolated locations such as some First nations, so acccomodation was made to get the vaccines out to those locations as well.(the main problem with the abortion debate, is that they are not accessible to everyone in every location).
What is the point of the shot? You must not follow the news, or the threads on these boards. The shot is not to prevent a sniffle, although it has done exactly that for many people. It is intended to prevent serious illness, hospitalization, ICU stays, and death, which also would have crippled our health care system. That's tens of thousands who did not end up in hospital, or at least had a shorter stay. And it has proven to do that in the vast majority of cases. The fact that you think that is not important, is irrelevant.
So no, you picked the wrong answer to your question.
What was the point of ALL our restrictions: Canada has 1/4 the covid mortality rate compared to some u.s. states. 1/6 the mortality rate compared to some countries like Peru, which did not get the vaccine till much later. Do you even care about that?
You have every right to refuse the vaccine if you choose. But then you should be happy with your choice, so make it carefully. If not happy, take it to the Court and convince them, also your right.

[Zedi]

Yaaa except the consequences make zero sense, when your being told you cant do certain things because you wont get an experimental shot that doesn't stop you from getting or transmitting the cold where is the logic? There is none would be the correct answer.

While Nuremberg ensures your right not to be experimented upon, the vaccine is not experimental so does not fall under that code.
Courts have upheld the right of government to put reasonable requirements (such as vaccines, masks, restricting access to non-essential locations, limiting entry to nursing homes and visiting hospitals) on citizens activities.
Some people are under the mistaken impression that we all can do whatever we want (unless a woman wants an abortion), but that is not true, never has been true, and probably never will be true.
People can chose to meet the requirements for any job, or not.The gov't could not impose an unreasonable requirement, but 15 min to get a shot is not excessive (in the courts opinion). It's not like they are asking people to cut off their leg.
AND the requirement is easily accessible, clinics in practically every town. More difficult for isolated locations such as some First nations, so acccomodation was made to get the vaccines out to those locations as well.(the main problem with the abortion debate, is that they are not accessible to everyone in every location).
What is the point of the shot? You must not follow the news, or the threads on these boards. The shot is not to prevent a sniffle, although it has done exactly that for many people. It is intended to prevent serious illness, hospitalization, ICU stays, and death, which also would have crippled our health care system. That's tens of thousands who did not end up in hospital, or at least had a shorter stay. And it has proven to do that in the vast majority of cases. The fact that you think that is not important, is irrelevant.
So no, you picked the wrong answer to your question.
What was the point of ALL our restrictions: Canada has 1/4 the covid mortality rate compared to some u.s. states. 1/6 the mortality rate compared to some countries like Peru, which did not get the vaccine till much later. Do you even care about that?
You have every right to refuse the vaccine if you choose. But then you should be happy with your choice, so make it carefully. If not happy, take it to the Court and convince them, also your right.

You keep spreading misinformation by saying the vaccine isn't experimental. I keep asking when has a covid-19 mrna injection been used before in history?

[hozzle]

While Nuremberg ensures your right not to be experimented upon, the vaccine is not experimental so does not fall under that code.
Courts have upheld the right of government to put reasonable requirements (such as vaccines, masks, restricting access to non-essential locations, limiting entry to nursing homes and visiting hospitals) on citizens activities.
Some people are under the mistaken impression that we all can do whatever we want (unless a woman wants an abortion), but that is not true, never has been true, and probably never will be true.
People can chose to meet the requirements for any job, or not.The gov't could not impose an unreasonable requirement, but 15 min to get a shot is not excessive (in the courts opinion). It's not like they are asking people to cut off their leg.
AND the requirement is easily accessible, clinics in practically every town. More difficult for isolated locations such as some First nations, so acccomodation was made to get the vaccines out to those locations as well.(the main problem with the abortion debate, is that they are not accessible to everyone in every location).
What is the point of the shot? You must not follow the news, or the threads on these boards. The shot is not to prevent a sniffle, although it has done exactly that for many people. It is intended to prevent serious illness, hospitalization, ICU stays, and death, which also would have crippled our health care system. That's tens of thousands who did not end up in hospital, or at least had a shorter stay. And it has proven to do that in the vast majority of cases. The fact that you think that is not important, is irrelevant.
So no, you picked the wrong answer to your question.
What was the point of ALL our restrictions: Canada has 1/4 the covid mortality rate compared to some u.s. states. 1/6 the mortality rate compared to some countries like Peru, which did not get the vaccine till much later. Do you even care about that?
You have every right to refuse the vaccine if you choose. But then you should be happy with your choice, so make it carefully. If not happy, take it to the Court and convince them, also your right.

Court cases are still pending re: mandates...
Collective agreements are being reviewed by Courts re: employee rights...
Vaccine efficacy has been misrepresented...
Canada had some of the most stringent mandates in the world... for what... a few percentage points difference than countries with less draconian tactics?

[Queen K]

People dressed as OFFred from the Handmaiden's Tale storm into a Cathedral in LA and disrupt services.

This right to maintain Body Autonomy is really heated up in the the USA.


https://www.foxnews.com/us/handmaids-ta ... -cathedral

"Demonstrations had been anticipated across the country," Diaz said. "The incident was handled accordingly by cathedral security ensuring limited disruption of Mass. We continue to join our prayers as an Archdiocese in solidarity with the US Catholic Bishops to pray for change in our laws to help all women in need in our communities."

[Silverstarqueen]

While Nuremberg ensures your right not to be experimented upon, the vaccine is not experimental so does not fall under that code.
Courts have upheld the right of government to put reasonable requirements (such as vaccines, masks, restricting access to non-essential locations, limiting entry to nursing homes and visiting hospitals) on citizens activities.
Some people are under the mistaken impression that we all can do whatever we want (unless a woman wants an abortion), but that is not true, never has been true, and probably never will be true.
People can chose to meet the requirements for any job, or not.The gov't could not impose an unreasonable requirement, but 15 min to get a shot is not excessive (in the courts opinion). It's not like they are asking people to cut off their leg.
AND the requirement is easily accessible, clinics in practically every town. More difficult for isolated locations such as some First nations, so acccomodation was made to get the vaccines out to those locations as well.(the main problem with the abortion debate, is that they are not accessible to everyone in every location).
What is the point of the shot? You must not follow the news, or the threads on these boards. The shot is not to prevent a sniffle, although it has done exactly that for many people. It is intended to prevent serious illness, hospitalization, ICU stays, and death, which also would have crippled our health care system. That's tens of thousands who did not end up in hospital, or at least had a shorter stay. And it has proven to do that in the vast majority of cases. The fact that you think that is not important, is irrelevant.
So no, you picked the wrong answer to your question.
What was the point of ALL our restrictions: Canada has 1/4 the covid mortality rate compared to some u.s. states. 1/6 the mortality rate compared to some countries like Peru, which did not get the vaccine till much later. Do you even care about that?
You have every right to refuse the vaccine if you choose. But then you should be happy with your choice, so make it carefully. If not happy, take it to the Court and convince them, also your right.

You keep spreading misinformation by saying the vaccine isn't experimental. I keep asking when has a covid-19 mrna injection been used before in history?

The vaccine is not experimental. It does not fall under the Nuremberg regulations.
Your opinion does not determine which vaccines are experimental or not.
But hey, don't take my word for it, ask the court.

[Bigbacardi]

Please show the studies done on the Vid Vax that were done before the entire population was subjected to the experiment?
IT WAS EXPERIMENTAL, it is just now coming out of the long term studies of under 2 years.
But alas this topic is about maintaining personal choice for health

[b7272]

Yaaa except the consequences make zero sense, when your being told you cant do certain things because you wont get an experimental shot that doesn't stop you from getting or transmitting the cold where is the logic? There is none would be the correct answer.

While Nuremberg ensures your right not to be experimented upon, the vaccine is not experimental so does not fall under that code.
Courts have upheld the right of government to put reasonable requirements (such as vaccines, masks, restricting access to non-essential locations, limiting entry to nursing homes and visiting hospitals) on citizens activities.
Some people are under the mistaken impression that we all can do whatever we want (unless a woman wants an abortion), but that is not true, never has been true, and probably never will be true.
People can chose to meet the requirements for any job, or not.The gov't could not impose an unreasonable requirement, but 15 min to get a shot is not excessive (in the courts opinion). It's not like they are asking people to cut off their leg.
AND the requirement is easily accessible, clinics in practically every town. More difficult for isolated locations such as some First nations, so acccomodation was made to get the vaccines out to those locations as well.(the main problem with the abortion debate, is that they are not accessible to everyone in every location).
What is the point of the shot? You must not follow the news, or the threads on these boards. The shot is not to prevent a sniffle, although it has done exactly that for many people. It is intended to prevent serious illness, hospitalization, ICU stays, and death, which also would have crippled our health care system. That's tens of thousands who did not end up in hospital, or at least had a shorter stay. And it has proven to do that in the vast majority of cases. The fact that you think that is not important, is irrelevant.
So no, you picked the wrong answer to your question.
What was the point of ALL our restrictions: Canada has 1/4 the covid mortality rate compared to some u.s. states. 1/6 the mortality rate compared to some countries like Peru, which did not get the vaccine till much later. Do you even care about that?
You have every right to refuse the vaccine if you choose. But then you should be happy with your choice, so make it carefully. If not happy, take it to the Court and convince them, also your right.

What you say if this all about WEF agenda. Conspiracy.

[Zedi]

You keep spreading misinformation by saying the vaccine isn't experimental. I keep asking when has a covid-19 mrna injection been used before in history?

The vaccine is not experimental. It does not fall under the Nuremberg regulations.
Your opinion does not determine which vaccines are experimental or not.
But hey, don't take my word for it, ask the court.

More deflection.
So..if it’s not experimental, when else in history have they used a Covid mRNA vaccine?