BC - Mandatory vaccination policy RESCINDED for provincial public servants

[A Concerned Citizen]

I wore a mask when it was not mandated, because there were elderly customers just getting their groceries or medications, who did not need to be afraid facing strangers who did not have the courtesy to wear a mask.

Plenty of us wore masks before they were mandated, for various reasons. Very few people were unkind to employees just doing their jobs. Human nature.

What some of us as individuals did (and didn't do) does not change how confusing and illogical the governments' messaging around masks and their vaccine mandates were/are.

The fallout from the governments' confusing and illogical mandates will be with us for quite some time to come.

Not one health authoritarian has produced a single study showing that masks (or for that matter any of the barbaric non-pharmaceutical interventions) work. Check out their websites. Zilch. Nada. That's among the reasons they are delaying court cases on procedural and other legal technicalities.

Further, if you have followed the lawsuit filed by the Honourable Brian Peckford, Shaun Richard, et al on toxic injections travel mandates, one of the reasons the federal government moved to have the case deemed moot is because not one health official recommended the mandates to the politicians during the examinations for discovery.

[the truth]

if masks worked china would have no covid

[rustled]

Plenty of us wore masks before they were mandated, for various reasons. Very few people were unkind to employees just doing their jobs. Human nature.

What some of us as individuals did (and didn't do) does not change how confusing and illogical the governments' messaging around masks and their vaccine mandates were/are.

The fallout from the governments' confusing and illogical mandates will be with us for quite some time to come.

Not one health authoritarian has produced a single study showing that masks (or for that matter any of the barbaric non-pharmaceutical interventions) work. Check out their websites. Zilch. Nada. That's among the reasons they are delaying court cases on procedural and other legal technicalities.

Further, if you have followed the lawsuit filed by the Honourable Brian Peckford, Shaun Richard, et al on toxic injections travel mandates, one of the reasons the federal government moved to have the case deemed moot is because not one health official recommended the mandates to the politicians during the examinations for discovery.

I'm not interested in campaigning against the use of masks by those who want to use them. It seems to me they have their place, and there may be times when we will be better off if people feel comfortable choosing to wear them in public.

My point continues to be how the Western governments' responses to the pandemic have been counterproductive to our long-term best interests. Their responses were confusing and illogical (mandatory vaccines in particular), relied on fear and on pack mentality, and encouraged both our best and our worst human instincts to fuel disharmony - along with significantly exacerbating distrust in both vaccines AND government.

[A Concerned Citizen]

Not one health authoritarian has produced a single study showing that masks (or for that matter any of the barbaric non-pharmaceutical interventions) work. Check out their websites. Zilch. Nada. That's among the reasons they are delaying court cases on procedural and other legal technicalities.

Further, if you have followed the lawsuit filed by the Honourable Brian Peckford, Shaun Richard, et al on toxic injections travel mandates, one of the reasons the federal government moved to have the case deemed moot is because not one health official recommended the mandates to the politicians during the examinations for discovery.

I'm not interested in campaigning against the use of masks by those who want to use them. It seems to me they have their place, and there may be times when we will be better off if people feel comfortable choosing to wear them in public.

My point continues to be how the Western governments' responses to the pandemic have been counterproductive to our long-term best interests. Their responses were confusing and illogical (mandatory vaccines in particular), relied on fear and on pack mentality, and encouraged both our best and our worst human instincts to fuel disharmony - along with significantly exacerbating distrust in both vaccines AND government.

I get it. And spent considerable time in Asian countries where wearing a mask when one is extremely ill is a sign of respect for those that are healthy.

It's important to note though that masks were one part of the conditioning leading to mandates for the toxic jabs, despite extensive evidence to the contrary, that was suppressed and otherwise censored. Evidence such as https://www.meehanmd.com/blog/post/1736 ... nd-harmful is among the many examples of critical information that was being withheld from the public and ignored by the government's response.

There's no doubt that there was an eruption of fear when the declaration of the global pandemic was announced. Many people thought it was greatly out of proportion. As time went on people started to recognize contradictory 'factual' information and asked questions like Who is most at risk? Why aren't the protections targeted to just the most vulnerable? Many of those that had the qualifications to question the programs were de-platformed as part of the censorship campaign, social media companies and search engines like google modified their algorithms to push their content lower down in search results, etc.

Your point is very well taken. The level of trust in government, the medical community and several other professions has tanked and will go even lower until the whole truth is revealed.

[Queller]

Given information in these recent, peer-reviewed, published scientific studies...

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lani ... 5/fulltext
"Previous (Covid) infection was found to provide higher protection against reinfection and more
sustained protection against hospital admission or severe disease than vaccination alone."

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanr ... 2/fulltext
"Estimates of baseline vaccine effectiveness against omicron were not considered adequate for neither infections nor hospitalisations."
"(for Omicron) baseline levels of vaccine effectiveness were noticeably lower and did not meet the WHO criteria for an adequate vaccine response."

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 5/fulltext
"although protection from past infection wanes over time, the level of protection against re-infection, symptomatic disease, and severe disease appears to be at least as durable, if not more so, than that provided by two-dose vaccination with the mRNA vaccines for ancestral, alpha, delta, and omicron BA.1 variants, which is also seen from studies directly comparing natural immunity to vaccine-induced protection" *BC's order is based on a two-dose vaccine series*
"vaccine mandates for workers should take into account immunity conferred by vaccination and that provided by natural infection"

Can anyone explain what current science and data the BC Healthcare Workers Vaccine order is based on? I would say it is based on the "BC Henry/Dix Science", which is obviously different than the science in most of Canada/USA/GB/EU.
Drop the mandate! Let's go Henry!

[harblz]

Given information in these recent, peer-reviewed, published scientific studies...

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lani ... 5/fulltext
"Previous (Covid) infection was found to provide higher protection against reinfection and more
sustained protection against hospital admission or severe disease than vaccination alone."

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanr ... 2/fulltext
"Estimates of baseline vaccine effectiveness against omicron were not considered adequate for neither infections nor hospitalisations."
"(for Omicron) baseline levels of vaccine effectiveness were noticeably lower and did not meet the WHO criteria for an adequate vaccine response."

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 5/fulltext
"although protection from past infection wanes over time, the level of protection against re-infection, symptomatic disease, and severe disease appears to be at least as durable, if not more so, than that provided by two-dose vaccination with the mRNA vaccines for ancestral, alpha, delta, and omicron BA.1 variants, which is also seen from studies directly comparing natural immunity to vaccine-induced protection" *BC's order is based on a two-dose vaccine series*
"vaccine mandates for workers should take into account immunity conferred by vaccination and that provided by natural infection"

Can anyone explain what current science and data the BC Healthcare Workers Vaccine order is based on? I would say it is based on the "BC Henry/Dix Science", which is obviously different than the science in most of Canada/USA/GB/EU.
Drop the mandate! Let's go Henry!

I assume at this point it's about keeping people that refuse to follow public health guidance, and/or actively undermine it, out of the public health system.

As for the above: as much as you people have convinced yourselves that the best way to protect yourself from covid is to get covid that's not really a rational train of thought.

[Queller]

Rinse. Repeat. Say the line. "I'm so glad Henry told us all to get vaccinated. It has saved our hospital system and our economy. I'm not concerned about how effective the vaccine is or any side effects." Say the line again...
BTW, Henry's office has receives several FOI requests asking for the data and evidence for what positive benefits the BC Healthcare Workers Mandate has had, or if it has done anything at all, really. The response? Nothing. "No information available."

[Queller]

Given information in these recent, peer-reviewed, published scientific studies...

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lani ... 5/fulltext
"Previous (Covid) infection was found to provide higher protection against reinfection and more
sustained protection against hospital admission or severe disease than vaccination alone."

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanr ... 2/fulltext
"Estimates of baseline vaccine effectiveness against omicron were not considered adequate for neither infections nor hospitalisations."
"(for Omicron) baseline levels of vaccine effectiveness were noticeably lower and did not meet the WHO criteria for an adequate vaccine response."

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 5/fulltext
"although protection from past infection wanes over time, the level of protection against re-infection, symptomatic disease, and severe disease appears to be at least as durable, if not more so, than that provided by two-dose vaccination with the mRNA vaccines for ancestral, alpha, delta, and omicron BA.1 variants, which is also seen from studies directly comparing natural immunity to vaccine-induced protection" *BC's order is based on a two-dose vaccine series*
"vaccine mandates for workers should take into account immunity conferred by vaccination and that provided by natural infection"

Can anyone explain what current science and data the BC Healthcare Workers Vaccine order is based on? I would say it is based on the "BC Henry/Dix Science", which is obviously different than the science in most of Canada/USA/GB/EU.
Drop the mandate! Let's go Henry!

I assume at this point it's about keeping people that refuse to follow public health guidance, and/or actively undermine it, out of the public health system.

As for the above: as much as you people have convinced yourselves that the best way to protect yourself from covid is to get covid that's not really a rational train of thought.

Um... that is actually how your immune system works for the vast majority of coronaviruses, rhinoviruses, and flu viruses. Sure, sucks to get Covid, maybe the vaccine would help reduce your symptoms, that's about the best that could be said of the efficacy of the current vaccine for healthy people.
Reality is, unless you are an elderly, obese, diabetic, chain-smoking, immune-suppressed, alcoholic Healthcare worker, you have not much to worry about from coronaviruses. And reality is, whether it is the best way to get immunity or not, the vast majority of Healthcare workers were exposed to the virus anyways, and very likely have natural immunity (which is superior to the BC mandated 2-dose vaccine series). This natural immunity can be tested for. Oddly, the BC Health Authorities still refuse to do this.

[liisgo]

Can anyone explain what current science and data the BC Healthcare Workers Vaccine order is based on? I would say it is based on the "BC Henry/Dix Science", which is obviously different than the science in most of Canada/USA/GB/EU.
Drop the mandate! Let's go Henry!

I assume at this point it's about keeping people that refuse to follow public health guidance, and/or actively undermine it, out of the public health system.

As for the above: as much as you people have convinced yourselves that the best way to protect yourself from covid is to get covid that's not really a rational train of thought.

There are a few million people in this country that refuse to follow public health guidance clearly stated in its own websites. Yes, not talking specifically to just getting a vaccine. Referring to their very own clear referencing to the dangers of an unhealthy lifestyle and its contribution to severe covid. Funny that the only interest some have is the vaccine. Which has never been proven by any one to be the best position of protection at a personal level.
As above, "you people" should all be entitled to their own respect and understanding of the best way to protect yourself. Doing nothing, claiming nothing but the vaccine as everyone else's only choice is the biggest most dangerous belief to many have.
The thought should be long gone that the best protection is the vaccine. Yep, vulnerable because of age and comorbidities, take lots of vaccines and medication, thats whats it for.
Vulnerability to covid and many other health illness supported by public health is not necessarily taken seriously just because someone says the correct answer is the vaccine.
Most everyone's approach and understanding to this has merit. Except of course the governments.

[spooker]

Getting vaccinated gives one records of that ... whereas someone getting sick with Covid-19 doesn't ... so how do you prove someone has the same level of protection after being infected vs being vaccinated, test 'em ... but that takes time and money ... seems like the easiest, fastest, and most cost-effective method is to just get vaccinated ... not sure why this seems like rocket-science to people

[Queller]

So, require Healthcare workers to get 2 shots of a novel vaccine, even though natural immunity has been shown to be superior to the BC vaccine requirement, because it is the easiest, fastest, and most cost-effective method. Or lose your job (that's duress, btw). Makes sense. Everything in Healthcare should probably be done the easiest, fastest way then. Wouldn't want it to cost too much money. Who cares about side effects, or unintended consequences. Let's go!

[SensibleOne]

If we are actually wanting proof of level of protection then testing everyone whether they claim to have immunity from an infection or vaccination would be the ultimate proof. There are people out there fully vaccinated and boosted who still have no immunity, none, zero, zilch... wouldn't it be beneficial for them to know this especially if they are one at a higher risk? I know some high-risk people are tested after vaccination, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn there are people out there without protection who have no idea they are not protected.

[Queller]

Well, that actually makes sense, SensibleOne. Probably would cost a bit of money, but we would know who actually has immunity and who doesn't. Would be nice if Henry/Dix displayed some common sense once in awhile, instead of their usual one-size-fits-all approach.

[spooker]

And we wonder why medical costs are rising?

[Queller]

And we wonder why medical costs are rising?

Huh, estimated cost per dose of pfizer vaccine $40. Estimated because federal govt refuses to release pfizer/moderna contracts. Could be more. So, 2 x$40 is $80 plus staff costs (x2) to administer primary series of vaccine (what BC vaccine order requires)
Blood test to check antibody levels is estimated to be be about $100 (estimates vary from $50 to $140). So not really that much difference in cost.
I guess that's the immunity "check" costs too much reason down the drain...