Divorce Lawyer
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Re: Divorce Lawyer
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Sometimes people don’t appreciate the good they have, until it’s gone forever. Will it really be better for you (and your kids) with the complexities of restarting with someone else? None of us are perfect, so learn to adapt to other’s imperfections, and be grateful for and nurture the good parts of your family. (I get that some dire situations are unsolvable or too drastic)
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Talked with a divorced friend recently, who now regrets ending his marriage over a solvable patch in their marriage of over two decades. He says he still loves his first wife, and his second is more of just a companion, and life is now more complex. He says it would have been better in the long run, for them and their kids, to have worked through their issues (adultery?). Now in retirement years, finances are a struggle, as their wealth, net of legal fees, was split leaving them to run two households with near half the retirement income each. Their kids and grandchildren at odds with each other and no longer have a grandparent’s home-together to visit. He also regrets that lawyers promoted a battle to extend billable time, while driving the wedge deeper, whereas maybe investing in a marriage counsellor would have produced a better end result for the whole family.
Unbelievably, two neighbourhood families with teens, have recently split. Why? Financial stress? Young family stress? Greener pastures? Sad to see their kids being torn apart, while trying to do school. The families had looked pretty normal and comfortable.
Take good care of what you already have. Life is very short. Life is a bit like the weather, in that there are sunny days and stormy days, and after severe storms better weather normally follows,
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Sometimes people don’t appreciate the good they have, until it’s gone forever. Will it really be better for you (and your kids) with the complexities of restarting with someone else? None of us are perfect, so learn to adapt to other’s imperfections, and be grateful for and nurture the good parts of your family. (I get that some dire situations are unsolvable or too drastic)
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Talked with a divorced friend recently, who now regrets ending his marriage over a solvable patch in their marriage of over two decades. He says he still loves his first wife, and his second is more of just a companion, and life is now more complex. He says it would have been better in the long run, for them and their kids, to have worked through their issues (adultery?). Now in retirement years, finances are a struggle, as their wealth, net of legal fees, was split leaving them to run two households with near half the retirement income each. Their kids and grandchildren at odds with each other and no longer have a grandparent’s home-together to visit. He also regrets that lawyers promoted a battle to extend billable time, while driving the wedge deeper, whereas maybe investing in a marriage counsellor would have produced a better end result for the whole family.
Unbelievably, two neighbourhood families with teens, have recently split. Why? Financial stress? Young family stress? Greener pastures? Sad to see their kids being torn apart, while trying to do school. The families had looked pretty normal and comfortable.
Take good care of what you already have. Life is very short. Life is a bit like the weather, in that there are sunny days and stormy days, and after severe storms better weather normally follows,
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Seems it often depends on your situation who is the best Lawyer to represent you
Did find this and thought good idea to prepare a list of Qs rather than just hiring based on a few references
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Did find this and thought good idea to prepare a list of Qs rather than just hiring based on a few references
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Thanks for sharing. Looks like the topic is about to get useful. We should all share the contacts of the best lawyers we have ever worked with. It might be helpful to those who need a good professional. I once worked with military lawyers.
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You are either going to have to pay the lawyer or the ex. It's a delicate balance to see which one is cheaper.
Bring back the LIKE button.
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Sadly some lawyer are bottom feeders and are in it to line their pockets!! Been there and have done that. When a lawyer is arguing over $500.00 and he and the other are being paid over $200.00 he is a bottom feeder!!!EliotMcbrien wrote: ↑Nov 14th, 2022, 1:15 pm Thanks for sharing. Looks like the topic is about to get useful. We should all share the contacts of the best lawyers we have ever worked with. It might be helpful to those who need a good professional. I once worked with military lawyers.
Very sad no professional would pull that.
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Absolutely agree. Try and settle out of court. Divorce lawyers make it worse.Ken7 wrote: ↑Nov 14th, 2022, 3:04 pmSadly some lawyer are bottom feeders and are in it to line their pockets!! Been there and have done that. When a lawyer is arguing over $500.00 and he and the other are being paid over $200.00 he is a bottom feeder!!!EliotMcbrien wrote: ↑Nov 14th, 2022, 1:15 pm Thanks for sharing. Looks like the topic is about to get useful. We should all share the contacts of the best lawyers we have ever worked with. It might be helpful to those who need a good professional. I once worked with military lawyers.
Very sad no professional would pull that.
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Lawyers make everything worse. I hold lawyers’ sliminess for our current catch and release scheme. Oh, sorry; wrong thread.
To all those about to divorce: the way you treat your offsprings’ other parent might be a biiiiiiiiig problem later. My offspring read the riot act to her chronically-absent ‘other’ parent once she turned 19. Come to think of it… I had done the same at 18 to my mother’s ex husband (never more than a sperm donor to me) whom I’d never met.
Oh, is that salty? Did I sound bitter? <— your kids in 20, maybe 30 years allllll depending on how well you keep your poop-in-a-group now.
Pray your kids have a step parent as awesome as the one I've had.
To all those about to divorce: the way you treat your offsprings’ other parent might be a biiiiiiiiig problem later. My offspring read the riot act to her chronically-absent ‘other’ parent once she turned 19. Come to think of it… I had done the same at 18 to my mother’s ex husband (never more than a sperm donor to me) whom I’d never met.
Oh, is that salty? Did I sound bitter? <— your kids in 20, maybe 30 years allllll depending on how well you keep your poop-in-a-group now.
Pray your kids have a step parent as awesome as the one I've had.
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Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your kids.
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Mrs. Glacier is still upset at how her dad's family (namely his 2nd wife) tried to get her mom classified as mentally insane so as to try and remove the kids from her. Her mom took 20 years to pay off the lawyer bills, but she got to keep the kids, so was worth every penny in her mind.
My Father in law's parents and all siblings except one signed a letter saying she was crazy and abusive, and that hurt a lot because my MIL thought they were friends, and they certainly know damn well that she was a good parent and not crazy. Only the youngest sister who was quite wild refused to sign the letter.
Why do good decent people betray a friend so as to keep their older brother happy? It never ceases to dumbfound me how "good" people can turn so nasty.
Shame on my FIL for how he treated my MIL, but to his credit was a good father who did a lot with his children.
My parents' separation was very amicable by contrast. No lawyer was ever involved.
My Father in law's parents and all siblings except one signed a letter saying she was crazy and abusive, and that hurt a lot because my MIL thought they were friends, and they certainly know damn well that she was a good parent and not crazy. Only the youngest sister who was quite wild refused to sign the letter.
Why do good decent people betray a friend so as to keep their older brother happy? It never ceases to dumbfound me how "good" people can turn so nasty.
Shame on my FIL for how he treated my MIL, but to his credit was a good father who did a lot with his children.
My parents' separation was very amicable by contrast. No lawyer was ever involved.
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Marital separation is highly emotionally charged, exacerbated if one party has a side piece.
Some lawyers feed off that and profit from it.
Many lawyers give clients excellent advice. No one cares that your spouse was shagging the plumber/maid/neighbour. The children come first and The Court will insist on 50/50 unless mutually agreed otherwise. Their is not a financially penalty awarded for your spouse outsourcing for their shagging partner.
Again, no one cares, in a legal sense.
If people could all check their emotions, think in a rational way, take ownership for their own part of the martial breakdown, focus on the children, the process would be so much easier.
I feel for the lawyers who give excellent advice but have clients who will not listen as the lawyer gets blamed. Lawyers follow client instructions until they get fed up and fire the client,
Clients who fire lawyers, generally don't like the advice they are hearing.
Some lawyers feed off that and profit from it.
Many lawyers give clients excellent advice. No one cares that your spouse was shagging the plumber/maid/neighbour. The children come first and The Court will insist on 50/50 unless mutually agreed otherwise. Their is not a financially penalty awarded for your spouse outsourcing for their shagging partner.
Again, no one cares, in a legal sense.
If people could all check their emotions, think in a rational way, take ownership for their own part of the martial breakdown, focus on the children, the process would be so much easier.
I feel for the lawyers who give excellent advice but have clients who will not listen as the lawyer gets blamed. Lawyers follow client instructions until they get fed up and fire the client,
Clients who fire lawyers, generally don't like the advice they are hearing.
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Ya well, I know an incredibly slimy lawyer who causes unnecessary rift and pain and suffering. It’s almost like a personal vendetta.
Then again, the P O S was charged with spousal abuse himself and was found guilty, so what do you expect. Can’t stand lawyers. Slimy as hell or right.
Then again, the P O S was charged with spousal abuse himself and was found guilty, so what do you expect. Can’t stand lawyers. Slimy as hell or right.
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You didn't tell the guy he was a bottom feeder??? I did just before the Judge entered the courtroom. Oh was he angry at me we stood nose to nose and I stared the little poker right down! LOLThe_quiet_one wrote: ↑Nov 15th, 2022, 3:54 pm Ya well, I know an incredibly slimy lawyer who causes unnecessary rift and pain and suffering. It’s almost like a personal vendetta.
Then again, the P O S was charged with spousal abuse himself and was found guilty, so what do you expect. Can’t stand lawyers. Slimy as hell or right.
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I had it with his lawyer during a 5 day trial … yes 5 whole days, and the judge actually told us both that’s enough. I gave him nothing to go on. I told him that him and my ex were called dumb and dumber in my eyes. Every time he lied, I showed the judge proof that he lied. He was in trouble by the judge. After the trial which … I defended myself as I had no lawyer and just wanted what I was entitled to, half of everything and his lawyer told me thank his I never have to see you or him ever again.Ken7 wrote: ↑Nov 15th, 2022, 6:25 pmYou didn't tell the guy he was a bottom feeder??? I did just before the Judge entered the courtroom. Oh was he angry at me we stood nose to nose and I stared the little poker right down! LOLThe_quiet_one wrote: ↑Nov 15th, 2022, 3:54 pm Ya well, I know an incredibly slimy lawyer who causes unnecessary rift and pain and suffering. It’s almost like a personal vendetta.
Then again, the P O S was charged with spousal abuse himself and was found guilty, so what do you expect. Can’t stand lawyers. Slimy as hell or right.
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24% of personal bankruptcies in US are related to divorces. (A financial nightmare for many children)
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Interestingly in the US around 6% of American couples marry, divorce, and then end up re-marrying each other again. (A dream come true for some lucky children).
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Hopefully the divorce trend continues to reverse downward, from 50% in 1980’s, to 39% in the 2020’s (US). (More fortunate children)
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Some divorces are very necessary, but many are lifestyle choices. When there are children, it’s not about you anymore.
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24% of personal bankruptcies in US are related to divorces. (A financial nightmare for many children)
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Interestingly in the US around 6% of American couples marry, divorce, and then end up re-marrying each other again. (A dream come true for some lucky children).
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Hopefully the divorce trend continues to reverse downward, from 50% in 1980’s, to 39% in the 2020’s (US). (More fortunate children)
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Some divorces are very necessary, but many are lifestyle choices. When there are children, it’s not about you anymore.
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First I’ve heard of it, but I recently met someone who is married to a lawyer who represents children in divorces. So now three lawyers involved, but at least now the children of divorce are getting a voice in these matters, to see that their lives and futures are considered.
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First I’ve heard of it, but I recently met someone who is married to a lawyer who represents children in divorces. So now three lawyers involved, but at least now the children of divorce are getting a voice in these matters, to see that their lives and futures are considered.
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I think this is pathetic. You would think a lawyer, would pull people in and say, look out for the children. Instead, no let's use them as pawns, the two supposedly adults will fight tooth and nail and I can bill my usual fees and I win!nepal wrote: ↑Feb 9th, 2023, 10:52 pm .
First I’ve heard of it, but I recently met someone who is married to a lawyer who represents children in divorces. So now three lawyers involved, but at least now the children of divorce are getting a voice in these matters, to see that their lives and futures are considered.
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It will likely only become more of a issue as they can't run behind ambulances now.
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