Penticton Election

[NormCheers]

Norm - not sure what your deal is with Max but it has become obvious you don't like him. Personally I think his signs are great. Not sure I'm going to vote for him, but I do give him and his team credit for being creative in their signage. It does stand out - and sometimes that is all it takes to make a difference. So Norm ... what is your deal with Max - I'm sure we are all a little curious.

I have to admit Southy that his signs are catchy and his team did do a good job coming up with the concept. I actually find myself now driving around and think of him every time I see a yellow traffic sign! Damn it! Lol !
My deal with him is:
I know people that have dealt with him and he is not very forthcoming in his dealings. He is a spin doctor. Some examples
-He allowed people to think he was the owner when he worked at the sports bar, NEVER corrected them. To me omitting the truth is the same as lying.
- He never divulged to the people that invested in the small businesses at Barefoot the whole truth about the costs that will be incurred by doing business with him at Barefoot. He just sold them promises then gave them Tax bills, maintenance bills etc. Again not forthcoming and omitting the facts.
-He allowed people to think that all of Barefoot was HIM to the public, instead of sharing that the vision and yurts are only his, the rest is All private people investing thousands in his scheme. Maybe ask Covert Farms why they are no longer there after just one year!
- He has never been a team player (maybe ask him what team sports he played) he never included the other businesses out there in way of promotions that he had already budgeted for in HIS marketing plan etc.
- He's Lazy - Hiring people for jobs that he could easily do.
- He has no idea what hard work is. If it wasn't for friend's family money he would have nothing - a bank wouldn't lend him a dime for any business.
- I would like to see one of his ventures flourish before I would vote for him. The Element club failed and I have a feeling he's looking for an out before Barefoot fails. I'm sure if he gets that opportunity and Barefoot fails. He will say "It did fine while I was there"
In his spiel in the paper about himself, he Declares that he NOW lives at Barefoot with his (by law) common-law-wife. In his announcement in the western he said he was single with a significant other. And on his nomination forms it says he lives on Lee Ave. Small things for sure, but I would like to have a candidate that knows where he lives and who he's with.

I'm a believer that you have to learn to walk ("Barefoot") before you learn to run ("for council") !!!!

[southy]

You know what Norm - I'm responding simply because I still don't know what your deal is. All you've given is your perception and it sounds to me like there is either some jealousy towards Max, or somehow he has slighted you in the past. Two sides to every story and sometimes even three. Sorry - not buying it. Sounds like a real personal vendetta to me. But only you know for sure - don't you??

[MRO]

For what it's worth, one has to find Max's slogan ("For a united Penticton") ironic given that he is very much
behind the Boonstock saga and we all know that the introduction (and execution) of this event has managed
to peg (by various extents): Younger residents vs. Older residents, Native vs. non-natives, etc. as well as
ruffled the feathers of various levels of Government/agencies (BCLDB, RCMP, COP). Well done.

Of course, this could all be "accidental" (or part of an elaborate marketing scheme) however, choosing that
election slogan cannot. On second thought, perhaps I under-estimated Mr.Picton's sense of humour...

Lastly, I do find the point raised about the shape of his signs amusing!

[twobits]

You know what Norm - I'm responding simply because I still don't know what your deal is. All you've given is your perception and it sounds to me like there is either some jealousy towards Max, or somehow he has slighted you in the past. Two sides to every story and sometimes even three. Sorry - not buying it. Sounds like a real personal vendetta to me. But only you know for sure - don't you??

Southy, you are not stupid. The poster you are responding to is only replaying facts that are public knowledge, and many that are are part of Max's own disclosure statement. It is not a matter of the man having nothing except bartending experience and exuberance. I would personally vote for a man without a dime in the bank and presented a platform that made sense....as long as he was honest about not having a dime. What raises my hackles is someone who deceives. If there was a Webster's definition of embellished resume, it would have Max's picture on it. How can the electorate that desires transparency possibly cast a vote for someone that so obviously pads his bartender resume into one that is qualified to manage a 50 million plus dollar/yr city budget? He has demonstrated that he cannot be trusted even before he has been elected. What could he do if elected?

[XT225]

I have to admit Southy that his signs are catchy and his team did do a good job coming up with the concept. I actually find myself now driving around and think of him every time I see a yellow traffic sign! Damn it! Lol !
My deal with him is:
I know people that have dealt with him and he is not very forthcoming in his dealings. He is a spin doctor. Some examples
-He allowed people to think he was the owner when he worked at the sports bar, NEVER corrected them. To me omitting the truth is the same as lying.
- He never divulged to the people that invested in the small businesses at Barefoot the whole truth about the costs that will be incurred by doing business with him at Barefoot. He just sold them promises then gave them Tax bills, maintenance bills etc. Again not forthcoming and omitting the facts.
-He allowed people to think that all of Barefoot was HIM to the public, instead of sharing that the vision and yurts are only his, the rest is All private people investing thousands in his scheme. Maybe ask Covert Farms why they are no longer there after just one year!
- He has never been a team player (maybe ask him what team sports he played) he never included the other businesses out there in way of promotions that he had already budgeted for in HIS marketing plan etc.
- He's Lazy - Hiring people for jobs that he could easily do.
- He has no idea what hard work is. If it wasn't for friend's family money he would have nothing - a bank wouldn't lend him a dime for any business.
- I would like to see one of his ventures flourish before I would vote for him. The Element club failed and I have a feeling he's looking for an out before Barefoot fails. I'm sure if he gets that opportunity and Barefoot fails. He will say "It did fine while I was there"
In his spiel in the paper about himself, he Declares that he NOW lives at Barefoot with his (by law) common-law-wife. In his announcement in the western he said he was single with a significant other. And on his nomination forms it says he lives on Lee Ave. Small things for sure, but I would like to have a candidate that knows where he lives and who he's with.

I'm a believer that you have to learn to walk ("Barefoot") before you learn to run ("for council") !!!!

Interesting indeed. I watched the council meeting tonight and Mr. Picton again stated that he lives on Lee Avenue. I see no reason why Mr. Picton would tell anything but the truth re his residency. After all, Helen Konanz lives in Kaleden and that certainly won't HURT her in the polls.

[theseeker]

Who is this Vassalaki person we speak of? Is he really running for mayor? John needs a whole lot of coaching on how to respond to issues because he keeps putting whatever size shoe he wears in his mouth. Really a stupid comment about the malls - the malls pay taxes do they not? Owners of businesses in those mall pay taxes do they not? Employees of those business who live in Penticton pay taxes do they not? And here we have an individual who wants to be mayor making a stupid comment like "forget the malls". Tells you where his interest is doesn't it!

PS: How many buildings does he and his family own downtown?

I seen him in Wal-Mart shopping

[theseeker]

Welllll, It seems like us same people are on this [subject] forum. About Picton I spent the night at Barefoot with my wife, found it expensive, noisy, helicopter training going on all hours of the night, for locals if you live here you do get a discount. I've talked with Mr. Picton he has away about him, fast talker, a dreamer, It does not mean I would vote for him, he seems ummmm, untrustworthy. Now Vass, in his statements of what he and his sons own it seems that those properties could be affected in the next phase of downtown development.Been in a eatery when he and his family were there found him a little over bearing to the staff with a attitude of, don't you know who I am. Being retired and a snowbird living in Penticton for only the last 12 years, we go south in October and contacted city hall on how to vote earlier then the advanced polls, so for the rest of you snowbirds contact city hall and have them mail you a ballot. I'll save my comments on the rest of them for later. Oh and by the way "It's just my version" of it all.

[southy]

I see in Vass's election ad today he is talking about introducing a graffiti bylaw to insure that those who are responsible are dealt with. I wonder if John has really thought this through. Easy enough to introduce the bylaw however, who is going to enforce it? Especially when these acts are being committed between Midnight and 4am or whatever. City bylaw enforcement staff? RCMP? Ever call the RCMP in the evening and try and get a quick response time? Police are to busy dealing with real criminals to devote time to a city bylaw infractions. Those of you who are on John's committee -please tell us how this bylaw will be enforced? Or is this just more of the talk the talk election babble?

[twobits]

Interesting indeed. I watched the council meeting tonight and Mr. Picton again stated that he lives on Lee Avenue. I see no reason why Mr. Picton would tell anything but the truth re his residency. After all, Helen Konanz lives in Kaleden and that certainly won't HURT her in the polls.

XT, you see no reason why Max would tell anything but the truth? So why is he quoted in the newspaper as living in yurt town with the "love of his life" and two weeks later, he is living in his parents basement on Lee Ave? Contact information has been provided for every candidate in the Herald. How bout you call him up and ask him if he lives on Lee Ave in his parents basement only when it gets too cold to live in a tent, and then spends the rest of the year on PIB lands where there are no taxes paid to the city?
And re konanz.....at least she owns property in the South Okanagan and operates a business within the city that pays taxes to the city. Max owns squat (except an inflated ego) and doesn't pay one cent towards taxes in Penticton and you want him to be a councillor with a say on the city budget?
Here's a challenge for you XT. Go back over the last three council's and find me one sitting councillor that did not live in Penticton that did not also own property in Penticton or operate a business that paid city taxes. If Max were to be elected, I think he would be the first and for someone that has made a fuss about residency, I find your Picton support almost hypocritical.

[fall]

Some young blood with a different perspective and ideas on things may not be that bad. It would be one vote on council, not like Max would be running the town. Who cares where he lives or what he owns. He has lived in Penticton his entire life and knows enough about Penticton.

[XT225]

I have no interest in voting for Max Picton but am sure that others (likely the younger crowd) will and thats fine. Thats what Democracy is all about. We are lucky to have so many choices. I'm picking three, maybe four at most (unless I can find six that really impress me) and go with that. James Miller stated it well in that you don't have to vote for six. Just finding a few that you like, works fine and then your other "questionable people" who may be on your list won't affect the vote count for those who you really want to see get elected. Thank god that we live in a country free of "Putinism" (not sure if the word exists but you get the point).

[NormCheers]

Some young blood with a different perspective and ideas on things may not be that bad. It would be one vote on council, not like Max would be running the town. Who cares where he lives or what he owns. He has lived in Penticton his entire life and knows enough about Penticton.

I agree, new blood would be good, if they have taken the time to learn the job. How many council meetings has he ever attended? Has he ever taken time to be a part of any community groups that work with the city (Besides being chosen as the FACE of the Penticton Tourism group less than 6 months ago)? Has he taken any time the other 7 months of the year Barefoot isn't open to be a volunteer for ANY group in town (or any other time in his "entire" life in Penticton) ?
About your statement, Hmmm , might need to check your facts. He has not lived his "entire life" in penticton. I believe he once lived in Calgary (where he met his friend & friends father that invested in the now defunct Element) and I know he lived on the island in a yurt and that's where he came up with the idea of tent town, which IS a very nice place to look at as you come into town. I'm just not sure why his story seems to change like the Penticton wind.

"You need to learn how to walk (Barefoot) before can you learn to run (for political office)"
Oh and paying taxes to the beautiful city he wants to unite would be good too!
So I'm done talking about Mr. Penticton.
Vass does seem to be a little bit hard nosed and set in his ways. His ways however, (fiscal restraint) are not a bad thing. I would like to know his take on Boonstock though. Haven't seen anything that has shown his opinion.
I like the relative "new blood" of his opponent. I think it will be a great loss to see one of them go!
Konanz, I think she has a passion for the job and that's not a bad thing! I don't however think she has a great grasp of a vision.
Sentes, is passionate as well, it seems, when she shows up!

[fall]

Hmmm , might need to check your facts. He has not lived his "entire life" in penticton. I believe he once lived in Calgary (where he met his friend & friends father that invested in the now defunct Element) and I know he lived on the island in a yurt and that's where he came up with the idea of tent town, which IS a very nice place to look at as you come into town. I'm just not sure why his story changes with the Penticton wind.

"You need to have to learn how to walk (Barefoot) before you learn to run (for political office)"
Oh and paying taxes to the beautiful city he wants to unite would be good too!

The now defunct Element was owned by Vassilaki and was failing before he passed it off. If he did spend anytime away from town it would have been very brief. He will bring a younger crowd to the polls and I wont be surprised to see him get the votes he needs.

[NormCheers]

Actually, again, facts,
True the building is owned by Vassalaki's, but the Element Club was long closed by them (because it was losing money) before Max and company leased the building off of them to try and resurrect it. They leased the building and kinda tried!
Rule One - Good entrepreneurs end the bad and reinvent! NOT continue down the same path! It wasn't "passed off".

Oh and just cuz ya live there (Penticton all his/her life ) doesn't mean you KNOW there!

Damn it, I thought I was over talking about Mr. Penticton. LOL

And Yes! Getting anyone out that hasn't voted before is good, young or old! If that (hopefully) is the only thing he succeeds at this election then he has earned some points!

[Anonymous123]

http://www.castanet.net/edition/news-st ... htm#125321
I like Katie's comment.

"I don't believe it all has to be on the same street. I strongly believe Scott Avenue has reached saturation point," said Councillor Katie Robinson. "Let's put the neighbourhood out of its misery."