Police Scanner codes?

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dwC wrote:Sorry not true. The RCMP have been slowly migrating their VHF repeater network across the province from Analog to P25 with AES256 encryption. You will not be able to listen to them with a digital scanner given that they have encryption turned on.

Kelowna is now digitally encrypted along with the following BC cities;

Penticton
Nanaimo
Campbell River
Oceanside
Comox Valley
Squamish
Whistler
Pemberton
Powell River
Merritt
Logan Lake
Grand Forks
Dawson Creek

There may be more I am missing...

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http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/09/10 ... Encryption

http://www.nicta.com.au/pub?doc=5076

The keys can be brute forced almost exactly like the sat keys were done with distributed processing and shared privately. As some have eluded too they are also sold, which is wrong. Any encryption schemes used today can be broken especially when there are so many possibilities for leaks with regards to these setups we are discussing. They have techs that work on the systems in every town and they are all geeks just like us. Do you actually think we cannot listen to the RCMP today because they went to P25 with a key. ?
Seriously man, I have been doing things my entire life people said could not be done, I can assure you this can and is being done even before you and I even knew it was going to go digital. You would be quite disappointed in how fast encryption walls fall with even a couple of decent PC's with the digital IF feeding directly into the software to analyze and brute force keys.
On a personal note last 256 bit key I brute forced myself with one P3 took 4 days.
If you have any knowledge of encryption then you know that there are multiple ways to aquire the keys when one wants them for a project.
The best analogy I can give you is until all the radios have been equipped with a custom rom built by a security company similar to say nagravision in house (never shared with anyone) then getting the" shared " key (this is how P25 works when encrypted) can be brute forced.
Once you have the main trunk key most of the standard P25 handheld scanner/trancievers(that allow key entry(note)) will track and map the system within a day or so and there you have your template , and the rest as they say is history.
(we are going with some certainty for now that the main trunk shares the same key with all the at least dept cars for their respective area).
Once you see a couple keys brute forced you can begin to check dept to dept and see if the key is the same province wide ect.
This really is not as hard as some people seem to make it out to be.
Honestly its easier than popping a wifi router open with full encryption on. Just need some extra equipment to get your digital IF to serial link done up.

We should be clear now right? :)
""7 Conclusions
P25 radio systems are more secure than conventional analogue radio systems
but not nearly as secure as the term “encrypted” would imply. The most serious
security flaw in P25 is the optional nature of the security protocol, however
even when the security protocol is used several serious security flaws present the
design of P25 cryptographic protections, remain:
– Weak encryption permits an attacker to recover the encryption key, and fre-quent re-keying is not an effective defence.""

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process99 wrote:
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/09/10 ... Encryption

http://www.nicta.com.au/pub?doc=5076

The keys can be brute forced almost exactly like the sat keys were done with distributed processing and shared privately. As some have eluded too they are also sold, which is wrong. Any encryption schemes used today can be broken especially when there are so many possibilities for leaks with regards to these setups we are discussing. They have techs that work on the systems in every town and they are all geeks just like us. Do you actually think we cannot listen to the RCMP today because they went to P25 with a key. ?
Seriously man, I have been doing things my entire life people said could not be done, I can assure you this can and is being done even before you and I even knew it was going to go digital. You would be quite disappointed in how fast encryption walls fall with even a couple of decent PC's with the digital IF feeding directly into the software to analyze and brute force keys.
On a personal note last 256 bit key I brute forced myself with one P3 took 4 days.
If you have any knowledge of encryption then you know that there are multiple ways to aquire the keys when one wants them for a project.
The best analogy I can give you is until all the radios have been equipped with a custom rom built by a security company similar to say nagravision in house (never shared with anyone) then getting the" shared " key (this is how P25 works when encrypted) can be brute forced.
Once you have the main trunk key most of the standard P25 handheld scanner/trancievers(that allow key entry(note)) will track and map the system within a day or so and there you have your template , and the rest as they say is history.
(we are going with some certainty for now that the main trunk shares the same key with all the at least dept cars for their respective area).
Once you see a couple keys brute forced you can begin to check dept to dept and see if the key is the same province wide ect.
This really is not as hard as some people seem to make it out to be.
Honestly its easier than popping a wifi router open with full encryption on. Just need some extra equipment to get your digital IF to serial link done up.

We should be clear now right? :)
""7 Conclusions
P25 radio systems are more secure than conventional analogue radio systems
but not nearly as secure as the term “encrypted” would imply. The most serious
security flaw in P25 is the optional nature of the security protocol, however
even when the security protocol is used several serious security flaws present the
design of P25 cryptographic protections, remain:
– Weak encryption permits an attacker to recover the encryption key, and fre-quent re-keying is not an effective defence.""

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Prove it...and feel free to post the results or what you hear.
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Nikon86 wrote:Prove it...and feel free to post the results or what you hear.


Join a group and do your own legwork and post your results.
*bleep* should or would I spoon feed you the solution because you told me to prove it.?? NOT

I linked you to the actual document that proves it, if that's not good enough for you , tough.(Your welcome btw)
If you want access you will have to do some looking, then you will gain the benefits. Its just that simple.

I will tell you that if you do choose to join a group and do whatever , that prove it, give it to me attitude will get you exactly nothing.

This is NOT the board nor place to be posting decrypted packets from the RCMP nor will it be done now or ever. FYI

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Great rundown, P99. Nailed it.
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So having someone's 6 means??
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crazyoleme wrote:So having someone's 6 means??


That one is different for different police departments.
I have seen it used for BUSY, Location, and Standby.
If you listen to the context its used in knowing these you can figure it out almost instantly.

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crazyoleme wrote:So having someone's 6 means??



Having "Your 6" means they've got your back. Saying "check your 6" means look behind you. It's universal. It's the 10-Codes that vary (i.e. 10-6). Around here it means you are "busy".
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crazyoleme wrote:So having someone's 6 means??


Think of it like the face of the clock, forward progression is 12, 6 is your behind.
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crazyoleme wrote:So having someone's 6 means??

"Having/have/got a (6)", is not used on the radio. 10-6, on the other hand is used frequently. So is 6-8, and 6-7. They are short for 10-67, and 10-68. Sometimes the "10" is dropped.
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I can now see that, using "encryption" would be limited to circumstances that otherwise considered "code-4".

Employing encryption 100% of the time is both dangerous and impractical. P-25 and P-22 have been, and are currently used all over N. America.

For those that want to do the research, become educated and spend the money, THEY can still listen. It will take determination, dedication, intelligence, and $$$$. 4 things that street level criminals do not have.
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I personally don't believe that many people will go to the trouble of trying to crack the P25 codes as its not that easy and will also require a new and much more expensive Scanner. Same thing happened down in Penticton (they were the guinea pig/test area for the Okanagan) and I know of nobody that has been successful in keeping on monitoring. You will also see a much decreased level of News (even Castanet) reporting on Police matters; every one may just have to wait til the press release comes out....all in good time. For MVA's and such, you can always keep tabs on the Fire and Ambulance but for Gustapo matters, it may be a thing of the past.
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That explains somebody shouting "Ten Six! Ten Six!" when I tried to open the washroom door at Tim Hortons!
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Trigger69 wrote:You have the police to protect you in the situations you speak...geez.

Thanks for starting my day with a gut wrenching laugh!
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WhatThe wrote:Thanks for starting my day with a gut wrenching laugh!

Even with your attitude they would still protect you.
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Trigger69 wrote:Even with your attitude they would still protect you.

How's that, by issuing me a ticket and by being yes men?
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