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cliffy1 wrote:The New Testament was written by the Romans


Cliffy I already went over this already with you. The Romans didn't write the New Testament.......do we need to re-educate you again? Quit reading all those silly anti-Christian websites. You need to read history, that will cure you quickly.....
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some dudes taking magical herbs wrote it :)
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The truth is...that no one truly knows who wrote the bible, how many contributors there were, whether the so call apostles wrote anything at all....or whether it was all written by the church itself to procure political clout.
Biblical scholars can't even agree
Bottom lines is...it's just a bunch of stories written by a bunch of men.
No divine authorship....just regular old men.

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lakevixen wrote:some dudes taking magical herbs wrote it :)

Well, the book of revelations was for sure written by some dude tripping out on moldy rye, ergot. One of the biggest bummers ever written. If some of the authors had written under the influence of magical herbs, the bible probably wouldn't be full of murder and mayhem, jealousy and revenge, genocide and infanticide.
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cliffy1 wrote:Well, the book of revelations was for sure written by some dude tripping out on moldy rye, ergot. One of the biggest bummers ever written. If some of the authors had written under the influence of magical herbs, the bible probably wouldn't be full of murder and mayhem, jealousy and revenge, genocide and infanticide.


I thought that the book of revelations was written as a polemic against Rome. Too bad people take these stories and myths literally...that never ends well for anyone involved.
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Mr Danksworth wrote:I thought that the book of revelations was written as a polemic against Rome. Too bad people take these stories and myths literally...that never ends well for anyone involved.

If you take the books of revelations literally, you don't get Rome by any stretch of the imagination. Rome is not in a desert nor is it at the Red Sea. Lots of places fit better than Rome. Here is one...

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It's not even called "The Book Of Revelations" It's called "Revelation of Jesus Christ" more accurately translated as "The Unveiling of Jesus Christ"

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The title is taken from the first word of the book in Koine Greek: ἀποκάλυψις apokalypsis, meaning "unveiling" or "revelation".
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One sad fact about The Book Of Revelations is rather than simply staying a prophecy it has control over enough people of faith to become a self fulfilling prophecy. The big difference being that in the latter no one gets into heaven.

I was also surprised at Charles Manson's use of the book of revelations and how similar it is to ISIS. Manson's control over his "family" with the use of biblical themes was truly maniacal, similar to ISIS he managed to brainwash average people in order to kill on his behalf.
Book of Revelation, Chapter 9
(American Standard Version)

1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star from heaven fallen unto the earth: and there was given to him the key of the pit of the abyss.
2 And he opened the pit of the abyss; and there went up a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace;
and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
3 And out of the smoke came forth locusts upon the earth; and power was given them, as the scorpions of the
earth have power.
4 And it was said unto them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree, but only such men as have not the seal of God on their foreheads.
5 And it was given them that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when it striketh a man.
6 And in those days men shall seek death, and shall in no wise find it; and they shall desire to die, and death fleeth
from them.
7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared for war; and upon their heads as it were crowns like unto gold, and their faces were as men's faces.
8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as teeth of lions.
9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of heir wings was as the sound of chariots, of many horses rushing to war.
10 And they have tails like unto scorpions, and stings; and in their tails is their power to hurt men five months.
11 They have over them as king the angel of the abyss: his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek tongue
he hath the name Apollyon.
12 The first Woe is past: behold, there come yet two Woes hereafter.
13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the horns of the golden altar which is before God,
14 one saying to the sixth angel that had one trumpet, Loose the four angels that are bound at the great river Euphrates.
15 And the four angels were loosed, that had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, that they should kill the third part of men.
16 And the number of the armies of the horsemen was twice ten thousand times ten thousand: I heard the number of them.
17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates as of fire and of hyacinth and of brimstone: and the heads of lions; and out of their mouths proceedeth fire and smoke and brimstone.
18 By these three plagues was the third part of men killed, by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone, which proceeded out of their mouths.
19 For the power of the horses is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails are like unto serpents, and have heads; and with them they hurt.
20 And the rest of mankind, who were not killed with these plagues, repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and the idols of gold, and of silver, and of brass, and of stone, and of wood; which can neither see, nor hear, nor walk:
21 and they repented not of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of heir fornication, nor of their thefts.

Manson's Interpretation of the Book of Revelation**

1. Manson saw himself as "the fifth angel" (Verse 1) who would be given "the key to the pit of the abyss."

2. Verse 11 refers the fifth angel as "king," whose "name in Hebrew is Abaddon." The Catholic Douay Version contains also a Latin name, inadvertantly omitted from other versions: "Exterminans."

3. Verse 3 says that "out of the smoke came forth locusts upon the earth; and power was given them." Manson believed that the "locusts" were in fact "beetles"--the English musical group, "The Beatles."

4. Manson found confirmation for the Beatles being the "locusts" of Revelation in verses 7 through 9. Verse 7 refers to the locusts having "faces as were men's faces," but verse 8 says "they had hair as the hair of women"--which Manson took to be a reference to the Beatles' long hair. Also, verse 9 refers to the locusts as having "breastplates of iron." In Manson's interpretation the Beatles' breastplates were their electric guitars. The "horses" that they rode (verse 7) were dune buggies. Finally, Manson saw the "fire and smoke and brimstone" that came out of their mouths (verse 17) as being the powerful lyrics to their songs--especially those in the White Album. Manson also at times saw the Beatles as "the four angels" of verse 15.

5. The 200,000,000 persons comprising "the armies of the horsemen" (verse 16) who would spread destruction around the earth were, in Manson's interpretation, motorcyclists.

6. Manson interpreted verse 4--"And it was said unto them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing"--as meaning that it was wrong to kill any living thing--except, perversely, people. Manson would frequently upbraid family members for killing rattlesnakes or other creatures.

7. Manson believed he would lead his Family to the desert, where they would wait out the coming holocaust and multipy until they numbered 144,000--a number he got from Revelation, Chapter 7 which refers to twelve tribes of Isrreal, each numbering 12,000.

8. Manson believed that the entrance to "the pit of the abyss" (verse 1) was a forgotten cave somewhere in Death Valley. Through this cave one could gain entrace to a wonderful land "of milk and honey" lighted by glowing walls and filled with warm spring water.

9. Perhaps most critically, was Manson's interpretation of verse 15: "And the four angels were loosed, that had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, that they should kill the third part of men." Manson saw verse 15 as a prophecy of the imminent Helter Skelter in which a revolt by blacks would result in a killing of one-third of the population. Manson may have believed that he was setting this revolt in motion in August of 1969 when he loosed from Spahn ranch his Family members with instructions to kill.




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