Lest the world forgets the original 9-11 massacre

[Glacier]

Yes, but very few who follow Islam are a threat. Try not to generalize.

True. According to intelligence sources, only 15 to 25% are a threat (or about 200,000,000). The other 800,000,000 are not.

[Static]

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Warning: Read to the end of the post before jumping to conclusions about where I am going with this post.

Are Christians more violent than Muslims? What does the record say?

Murder rate: White America, like most Christian countries in the Americas, Africa and Eastern Europe, is markedly more violent than most of the Middle East (murders per 100,000 population):

0.6 Bahrain
0.7 Oman
0.8 United Arab Emirates
0.9 Qatar
1.0 Saudi Arabia
1.2 Egypt
1.7 Cyprus
1.8 Jordan
2.0 Iraq
2.1 Israel
2.2 Kuwait
2.2 Lebanon
2.3 Syria
3.0 Iran
3.3 Turkey
3.4 WHITE AMERICA
4.1 Palestine
4.2 Yemen
Terrorist attacks: According to the FBI, only 6% of the terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were carried out by Muslim extremists. Even Jewish extremists carried out more (7%).

War: Wars with at least a million dead:

Christian wars:

years: name: conservative body count in millions
535-554: Gothic Wars: 5.0m
790-1300: Reconquista: 7.0m
1096-1272: Crusades: 2.0m
1337-1453: Hundred Years’ War: 3.0m
1562-1598: French Wars of Religion: 3.0m
1568-1648: Dutch Revolt: 1.0m
1618-1648: Thirty Years’ War: 3.0m
1655-1660: Second Northern War: 3.0m
1763-1864: Russian-Circassian War: 2.0m
1792-1802: French Revolutionary Wars: 2.0m
1803-1815: Napoleonic Wars: 3.5m
1830-1903: War in Venezuela: 1.0m
1882-1898: Conquests of Menelik II of Ethiopia: 5.0m
1910-1920: Mexican Revolution: 1.0m
1914-1918: First World War: 20.0m
1917-1922: Russian Civil War: 5.0m
1939-1945: Second World War: 41.5m (European deaths only)
1946-1954: First Indochina War: 1.0m
1950-1953: Korean War: 1.2m
1955-1975: Vietnam War: 1.1m
1998-2003: Second Congo War: 2.5m
Muslim wars:

1370-1405: Conquests of Tamerlane: 7.0m
1681-1707: Conquests of Aurangzeb: 5.0m
1967-1970: Nigerian Civil War: 1.0m
1980-1988: Iran-Iraq War: 1.0m
1983-2005: Second Sudanese Civil War: 1.0m
1989-2001: Afghan Civil War: 1.4m
Seven times more people have died in Christian wars: 113.8 million compared to the 16.4 million who died in Muslim wars.

There are more Christians, but only about 50% more, nothing like seven times more.

Western history is Eurocentric, so we know more about wars in Christian lands than in Muslim ones. But not for wars since 1900, and there the imbalance is even worse: 73.3 million compared to 4.4 millon – 17 times more dead in Christian wars.

Some blame technology, yet the Muslim world has all the weapons the West had to kill over 100 million people. And yet it did not.

Democide: counts those who died not through war or street crime but through the wilful in/action of government, like genocide or Mao’s Great Leap Forward.

Christian democides of a million or more (does not count communist democides):

940-1917: Russia (tsarist): 2.1m
1095-1272: Crusades: 1.0m
1451-1870: European slave trade: 17.3m
1492-1900: Latin America: 13.8m Amerindians
1600-1900: Caribbean: 10.0m slaves worked to death
1618-1648; Thirty Years War: 5.8m
1651-1987: British Empire: 1.1m (not counting slavery)
1800-1900: Brazil: 1.5m Amazon rubber companies
1900-1920: Mexico: 1.4m
1933-1945: Germany (Nazis): 20.9m
1945-1948: Poland: 1.6m
Muslim democides of a million or more:

400-1900: Iran: 2.0m
1110-1918: Ottoman Empire: 3.9m
1958-1987: Pakistan: 1.5m
1983-2005: Sudan: 1.9m Nuer, Dinka, Christians, Nuba, etc
Christians have killed eight times more people in democides than Muslims: 76.5 million compared to 9.3 million. Almost the same rate as for war.



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[Static]

The mistake here lies not in the numbers but in the words “Christian” and “Muslim”. Sometimes religion is a cause – or at least an excuse – like in the bombings by Christian extremist Eric Rudolph or the genocide in Sudan. But most often it is not. Calling, say, the 9/11 terrorists “Muslim” is like calling Hitler “Christian”: true yet misleading. It is Islamophobia, not a serious attempt to understand the world as it is.

[Static]

True. According to intelligence sources, only 15 to 25% are a threat (or about 200,000,000). The other 800,000,000 are not.

And that is why there is a 200m person Islamic military storming the earth right now. Wasn't there 200M americans all for taking out Iraq with zero reason whatsoever and killing a few hundred million innocent civivlians in thr process? Give your head a shake.

[Glacier]

And that is why there is a 200m person Islamic military storming the earth right now. Wasn't there 200M americans all for taking out Iraq with zero reason whatsoever and killing a few hundred million innocent civivlians in thr process? Give your head a shake.

I'm not an intelligence agency. 200 million is world wide, not just here. That includes those who support violent Jihad as well as those who support soft Jihad.

[Static]

I got that. But there are 200m Americans who support their own form of terrorism. Numbers would dictate that the US with its modern military is a far more of a threat. How many innocent civilians died in Iraq?

[maryjane48]

True. According to intelligence sources, only 15 to 25% are a threat (or about 200,000,000). The other 800,000,000 are not

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lol if 200..million are a threat , we better start inscripti9n again

[janalta]

. The OP is implying that Mormons are as big a threat as Islam, which is laughable. You say that I am showing a double standard with respect to Christianity versus Islam, but it is you and the others in the thread that are showing a double standard. As Sam Harris says, "you still get agitated over the the abortion bombing from 1986, but say very little about 100s of Jihad attacks every year."

Whoa there Glacier...you sure do know how to make ridiculous assumptions and sweeping accusations.

Exactly where in the original post did I ever imply, even slightly, that Mormons are as big a threat as Islam ????
Where on did you pull that one out of ?

Religion has been responsible for far too may atrocities and deaths in the name of god...I didn't say a word about which religions were worse.

[Able]

Religion is the biggest scam ever perpetuated on the human race.

[Glacier]

Whoa there Glacier...you sure do know how to make ridiculous assumptions and sweeping accusations.

Exactly where in the original post did I ever imply, even slightly, that Mormons are as big a threat as Islam ????
Where on did you pull that one out of ?

Religion has been responsible for far too may atrocities and deaths in the name of god...I didn't say a word about which religions were worse.

I apologize if you think Islam is a far greater threat. I supposed it was the sweeping generalization "all in the name of religion" when in fact was in the name of LDS, which is one tiny religious philosophy representing like 0.5% of the world's religious population. That's like having a couple of fringe Communists within the already fringe Communist political party of Canada kill some capitalists, and stating "all in the name of politics" as if politics is to blame.

[Gixxer]

As Sam Harris says, "you still get agitated over the the abortion bombing from 1986, but say very little about 100s of Jihad attacks every year."

I'm pretty sure you've taken this out of context, or you read it somewhere that has.

[janalta]

I apologize if you think Islam is a far greater threat. I supposed it was the sweeping generalization "all in the name of religion" when in fact was in the name of LDS, which is one tiny religious philosophy representing like 0.5% of the world's religious population. That's like having a couple of fringe Communists within the already fringe Communist political party of Canada kill some capitalists, and stating "all in the name of politics" as if politics is to blame.

Guess what Glacier ?
This isn't a post about Islam. I made no comment about Islam.
It's also not about politics.

I posted on September 11, not to bring attention to Islam...but to remember the victims of a horrendous attack by a religious group on the same day in North America's history...an event that very few people are even aware of.
On a day when people are remembering the victims of 9/11 in NY....it is important to note that religious terrorism is not an Islamic problem. It is not a foreign problem.
The Mountain Meadows Massacre was Americans slaughtering Americans...and yes...it was in the name of religion and the LDS leader's perception that they were being 'persecuted'....murdering 120 innocent men, women and children in the name of 'defending their religious beliefs'.

Islam does not have the market on religious terrorism, violence or deaths. Christianity has a past that is just as violent and just as disturbing.

If you want to start a thread about how much you despise Islam...go for it.
That's not what this post was about

[Glacier]

Guess what Glacier ?
This isn't a post about Islam. I made no comment about Islam.
It's also not about politics.

I see you're pulling a Fin Donnelly and Cenk Uygur all wrapped into one. Ah well, okay, it's about some event hundreds of years ago. I did not know about this one until this thread (though there are hundreds of events like this I don't know about). It seems to me that what makes this event so significant and worth remembering is that it happened on September 11th.

[Gixxer]

What does Islam and Christianity have in common??? Both are religions where their followers have killed innocent people in the name of their god

[maryjane48]

lol glacier wants a war with the muslim community . there is no other way to explain the constant sabre rattaling and dehuminizing .the solution to preventing any terrorist no matter the phony god , is to 1 stop arming folks we shouldnt be which includes saudi arabia and isreal . if they want weapons so bad they can build their own .2 convince as much of the world as possible that running amuck no matter your belief in any invisible dude ,wont be tolerated .3 end our dependance on fossil fuels