Brother Jake: How the Mormon Church is true

[Farmmaa]

Brother Jake explains all of those pesky anti Mormon controversies in simply terms so that, well, Mormons don't have to worry about doubting their faith. They can just doubt their doubts instead.
18 enlightening videos on Mormon topics such as ; Super VIP heaven, Mormons don't hate gay people, Prophets are not racist, Polygamy ...and those darn seer stones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOAdICt ... 7M&index=1

See ? Not a cult.

[janalta]

Those are bloody brilliant.
Brother Jake is my new hero.

[Donald G]

All religions are mythology but serve to help many people who can not accept the many times proven energy to matter reality of science. Millions need it as a prop to live their lives with a sense of direction. Mormonism is no exception.

[Hmmm]

^^^^Mythology, as in many facts, museum displays and archeological sites? Your response is a typical, I know everything response. If brilliant scientists don't agree on these amazing so called facts and even these change every decade or two, how are you so confident?

[Donald G]

To Hmmm ...

There have been thousands of "true religions" (aka myths) throughout history with associated supreme beings invented to be the head of such organizations.

If you personally have discovered the one true religion that suits you and gives you some degree of comfort good for you. Please give me the same right.

I personally believe in the huge mass of collective scientific data that results in the conclusion that all religions were invented by humans in an effort to give purpose to their lives and a hope for their future in this or another world.

Fortunately we live in a country were we have the liberty to believe as we wish ... with or without evidence to support our beliefs.

[GordonH]

Joseph Smith the best snake oil salesperson ever, branding his own load of crap. Of course those bought it hook, line & sinker and continue to do so today.

[Hmmm]

To Hmmm ...

There have been thousands of "true religions" (aka myths) throughout history with associated supreme beings invented to be the head of such organizations.

If you personally have discovered the one true religion that suits you and gives you some degree of comfort good for you. Please give me the same right.

I personally believe in the huge mass of collective scientific data that results in the conclusion that all religions were invented by humans in an effort to give purpose to their lives and a hope for their future in this or another world.

Fortunately we live in a country were we have the liberty to believe as we wish ... with or without evidence to support our beliefs.

Along with your huge mass of scientific data, is there also a huge mass of scientists that agree on the details? Do they agree with what all their smart predecessors also believed 20.30.40 years ago? All these great minds cannot agree on the details and they never agree with what was taught as scientific fact 40 years ago.

How can it be such fact when scienctist do not even agree on them? The answer is because its a theory and not a fact.

[Donald G]

To Hmmm ...

I have to assume that you are talking about the disagreement between the hundreds of religions that are prevalent in the world today, since the same disagreement regarding evolution does not presently exist between the various fields of science.

The only science that disagrees with the main body of scientific research and evidence is the pseudo science continually being thrown up by those who can not accept that, in reality, all religions are myth.

[janalta]

^^^^Mythology, as in many facts, museum displays and archeological sites? Your response is a typical, I know everything response. If brilliant scientists don't agree on these amazing so called facts and even these change every decade or two, how are you so confident?

Surely you're not trying to say that there are many facts, museum displays and archeological sites that prove the existence of a higher power ( god ) ??

You are aware, I'm sure, that millions of people around the world do not agree on any religious 'facts' either, right ?

Yes, science is evolving and changing as humans evolve and change...that's the beauty of it.
Science does not depend on a fictitious book written thousands of years ago as evidence of how things began or how our world functions.
We are constantly learning new things, making new discoveries, improving technology...and as such, science is evolving.

Religion is stuck in the distant past and always will be.

[Farmmaa]

All religions are mythology but serve to help many people who can not accept the many times proven energy to matter reality of science. Millions need it as a prop to live their lives with a sense of direction. Mormonism is no exception.

I agree with the first part of your post, about all religions being mythology.
I also agree that people seem to need it as a crutch. Something to bring comfort, guidance and reason to their lives - which I find incredibly sad.

I don't however, agree that Mormonism is no different. There are several things that set it in a completely different hemisphere than main stream Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc.

By all definitions, the LDS church is a cult. Pure and simple.
Not that it is alone in this distinction by any means; it has The Adventists, the JWs and the Scientologists to keep it company.

It has the distinction of being founded by a known con man, criminal and follower of magic and the occult.
He was charged with fraud for treasure hunting - using the very same rock that he 'translated' the BOM with.
Unfortunately for old Joseph Smith, records were kept 200 years ago.

The BOM is a fraud, a forgery. Taken word for word from the bible and several literary works from the 19th century.
The Pearls of Great Wisdom - The Book of Abraham, has been proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt , to be completely false. Joe made it all up.

He married at least 34 women, some as young as 14 years old....without his wife's knowledge. He sent men on missions so that he could marry their wives.

Brigham Young was even worse. A racist. A sexist. A polygamist and, many believe, a murderer.

The LDS church of today is nothing but a multi billion dollar scam.

So, yeah, Mormonism is indeed different than many religions.

[Glacier]

^^^^Mythology, as in many facts, museum displays and archeological sites? Your response is a typical, I know everything response. If brilliant scientists don't agree on these amazing so called facts and even these change every decade or two, how are you so confident?

You have to understand that Donald G loves to lump large groups of people into one box. Not that there's anything wrong with that per se, but it does often create gross generalizations and false equivalencies. From Donny's posts I have learned that all marijuana users are low life scumbags, all liberals/lefties are selfish socialist pigs, and all religions scams. The real world, however, is much more complex than that.

[janalta]

You have to understand that Donald G loves to lump large groups of people into one box. Not that there's anything wrong with that per se, but it does often create gross generalizations and false equivalencies. From Donny's posts I have learned that all marijuana users are low life scumbags, all liberals/lefties are selfish socialist pigs, and all religions scams. The real world, however, is much more complex than that.

Although I admit that I do disagree whole heartedly with many of Donald G's comments, in this case, he used the word myth, not scam.
There's a huge difference, and when it comes to religion in general, I have to agree with him here. ( on the mythology point at least ).
To say that we believe that the basis of religious belief is based on myths...that god, Adam and Eve, Noah's Ark, the resurrection...ok, the majority of the bible in general, we are not saying that it is a scam. Just a myth.

That said, there are most certainly religious sects that are scams.
Evangelists with their multi million dollar 'mega churches'.
Faith healers who will mail you holy water to heal you if you pay them.
Sects like the LDS church, which has been shown to be very much false, and which collects 10% of every member's gross income, which is worth billions, which owns Marriot and mega malls and prime real estate- and who's founder was a con artist.
Scams.

[maryjane48]

evolution is fact , so by proxi gods are myth

[Glacier]

evolution is fact , so by proxi gods are myth

Certainly the gods that say that there's no such thing as evolution are myths. I don't know that the Mormon god would fall into that category. Clearly Mormonism is false for other reasons, namely that it was started by a known conman.

[Hmmm]

evolution is fact , so by proxi gods are myth

why is it called; "the theory of evolution" then? Its got to bug people who think its such a proven fact, when scientists who believe in it, cannot agree on the most significant details.

Don't get me wrong, believe what you want, but why call it a fact, when its not? That only makes YOU sound dogmatic. Why not say its the most plausible or something along those lines? The reason I say this is, there's a real bully type attitude among academics and they use high sounding language and names to try to discredit anybody that would dare disagree. Dogmatically stating its a FACT is the same thing. You're saying people who don't believe in this fact are stupid.

I believe in scientific facts 100% but don't believe in your statements at all. Rather then start a ridiculous debate about words, could you admit its a THEORY and not a fact? Facts can be proven, and would be agreed on by scientists. They also don't keep changing every decade. Lets be different then most of this forum and agree on that.