Christ the Lord Has Risen Today!

Healthyskeptic · Post by **Healthyskeptic** » Apr 22nd, 2016, 6:44 pm

His journey from Pastor with tens of thousands of 'followers' in cross country evangelical events to Atheist.
https://www.amazon.ca/Farewell-God-Reas ... 0771085087

Donald G · Post by **Donald G** » Apr 22nd, 2016, 7:06 pm

Re: Christ the Lord Has Risen Today!
Postby Healthyskeptic » 24 minutes ago

I take it that you mean that "RA" the Sun God has risen today ??

zzontar · Post by **zzontar** » Apr 22nd, 2016, 7:28 pm

Healthyskeptic wrote:Charles Templeton was once a Christian. In fact he was the second most popular preacher to Billy Graham.

Then he woke up and realized he was not a believer... Only a salesman.
He left Christianity because he was brave enough to ask himself these types of questions.
He celebrated intellectual honesty as an author and a broadcaster.

Why didn't those simple people thousands of years ago have been given an explanation of how evolution worked? And when 3 year olds ask how babies are made, why aren't they told about X and Y chromosomes and such?

Donald G · Post by **Donald G** » Apr 22nd, 2016, 7:50 pm

Evolution was considered math back then, as in "go forth and multiply".

averagejoe · Post by **averagejoe** » Apr 23rd, 2016, 12:03 am

Healthyskeptic wrote:Charles Templeton was once a Christian. In fact he was the second most popular preacher to Billy Graham.

Then he woke up and realized he was not a believer... Only a salesman.
He left Christianity because he was brave enough to ask himself these types of questions.
He celebrated intellectual honesty as an author and a broadcaster.

And your point is?????? Lots of people go from atheist to Christianity too. Works both ways.

So lets go back to your Jesus is a myth comment you are now avoiding......

Farmmaa · Post by **Farmmaa** » Apr 23rd, 2016, 8:36 am

It's truly appalling how some can go on and on about how Christians are persecuted and picked on and then those same posters can rant and throw out ridiculous insults, generalizations and lies about non believers for several pages non stop.
Hypocrisy at it's finest.

It is true that you can not provide proof of something's non existence....which is why I actually don't know anyone who has ever bothered to try to 'prove' that god isn't real.
The burden of proof is not on the doubter, but rather on the one making the claims in the first place that something does exist.

Historical history being buried and covered up in the past 30 years by secular history ? Seriously ?

Your proof of biblical history is based on stories, tales, word of mouth, passed down from one generation to the next.
There is no 'proof' that your stone is anything but a stone with a religious tale attached to it. There is no proof that the Arc of the Covenant is real, that it is exists or that it had anything whatsoever to do with the man they called Jesus Christ.
Stories passed down for thousands of years that Jesus went to England with his uncle prove what exactly ?

What proof exists that this Jew that they called Jesus was the literal son of a god ?

pepsilover · Post by **pepsilover** » Apr 23rd, 2016, 8:38 am

Interesting read. How atheist activist can turn Christian.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/lee-s ... ian-72771/

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April 6, 2012|10:49 am

Christian author and apologist Lee Strobel had no reason to believe in God for most of his life as a skeptic and self-proclaimed atheist, he writes in his best-selling book, The Case for Christ, published 14 years ago.

That's why when The Christian Post asked him on Thursday about his reaction to our exclusive story about atheist activist Patrick Greene and his transformation to become a Christian, Strobel was able to give trusted insight. Once an atheist, he has become one of the leading defenders of Christianity through books, lectures, and as co-founder of The Institute at Cherry Hills in Colorado.

Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/lee-s ... gPRoC2u.99

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pepsilover · Post by **pepsilover** » Apr 23rd, 2016, 8:42 am

Farmmaa wrote:It's truly appalling how some can go on and on about how Christians are persecuted and picked on and then those same posters can rant and throw out ridiculous insults, generalizations and lies about non believers for several pages non stop.
Hypocrisy at it's finest.

That sounds like you are feeling 'persecuted'. :smt045

Hypocrisy? That's funny, that's not how I see it. I see it more a case of you can dish it but not take it. And the whining begins. Many of you count on Christians hiding their faith under a bushel as you pummel them with your views and criticisms.

Farmmaa · Post by **Farmmaa** » Apr 23rd, 2016, 10:43 am

pepsilover wrote:
That sounds like you are feeling 'persecuted'.

Hypocrisy? That's funny, that's not how I see it. I see it more a case of you can dish it but not take it. And the whining begins. Many of you count on Christians hiding their faith under a bushel as you pummel them with your views and criticisms.

Absolutely not. I'm not sure how one could feel persecuted for a non belief.
I just think that's it's ridiculous that you are fine with lashing out at the 'atheists', insulting them, making up insane generalizations and accusations...all the while talking about how mean they are to poor Christians like you.

In fact, the insults seem to be pretty one sided on these threads as of late.

Pot meet kettle.

Glacier · Post by **Glacier** » Apr 23rd, 2016, 1:09 pm

Farmmaa wrote:In fact, the insults seem to be pretty one sided on these threads as of late.

It's not an insult (or least it shouldn't be) to point out failure in reasoning or simply pointing out the fact that atheists accept a lot of things they're told by faith.

Pointing out that someone is naive for believing that Buddha was conceived by immaculate conception as one atheist tried to say is an not an insult (unless it's now considered an insult to criticize one's faith in conspiracy theories). Similarly, pointing out that a Christian on here is a known conspiracy theorist who has beaten to British-Israelism horse to death is not an insult, it's a reasoned attack on his reasoning.

At least with the Christian in question he doesn't just hide behind a rock and pull a Donald Trump when confronted about his faith. I would challenge to atheist to either admit he's wrong or provide evidence to back up his claims.

pepsilover · Post by **pepsilover** » Apr 23rd, 2016, 2:09 pm

Farmmaa wrote:
Absolutely not. I'm not sure how one could feel persecuted for a non belief.
I just think that's it's ridiculous that you are fine with lashing out at the 'atheists', insulting them, making up insane generalizations and accusations...all the while talking about how mean they are to poor Christians like you.

In fact, the insults seem to be pretty one sided on these threads as of late.

Pot meet kettle.

Where have I done that? It is the other poster who is making 'insane generalizations', in fact that poster seems intent on SPAMMING HIS AGENDA and changing the topic of the thread to push that agenda. So what's good for the goose is good for the gander there Farmmaa. I shall start posting references to atheists who converted to Christianity. Smart men. Much smarter than the atheist posters on this thread. Try Bill Gates. Try Lee Strobel (Yale Law School and worked for Chicago Tribune for 14 years). I'm sorry if that is 'insulting' to you - WAIT - no I'm not. If you find that insulting then your mind is closed and intolerant and I can't do anything about that.

Do not confuse the actual PERSECUTION of Christians (ie mass murders by ISIS and such) as 'persecution' in these forums on a difference of opinion. I don't feel persecuted, I feel that a certain atheist has moved into this forum and is spamming his agenda. it's not your thread. and you will not tell others to deal with it.

Post by **Triple 6** » Apr 23rd, 2016, 2:29 pm

and the personal attacks can STOP now. Carry on and I'll just delete posts.

Healthyskeptic · Post by **Healthyskeptic** » Apr 23rd, 2016, 6:40 pm

Is a pregnancy the result of a Dream Holy Elephant normal or is that an Immaculate Conception?

Are most people conceived this way?

Queen Maya had a dream in which a Special Holy White Elephant peirced her side with its tusk. She awoke, had holy men interprete the dream and she was told she had conceived a child. A world Saviour ( if he followed a religious path) or a great King ( if he followed in his father's worldly path.)

Immaculate conception story - check.

Holy Men scouring the skies for signs of a Holy Event about to happen- check.

Holy Men visiting the Babe and Mother- check.

Jesus is a SYNCRETIZED holy figure.

Glacier · Post by **Glacier** » Apr 23rd, 2016, 11:36 pm

Healthyskeptic wrote:Is a pregnancy the result of a Dream Holy Elephant normal or is that an Immaculate Conception?

It's not Immaculate Conception that's for sure.

pepsilover · Post by **pepsilover** » Apr 24th, 2016, 7:18 am

Charles Wesley wrote this hymn (the one I started the thread about) back in 1739.

http://www.hymnary.org/text/christ_the_ ... day_wesley

Author: Charles Wesley
Charles Wesley, the son of Samuel Wesley, was born at Epworth, Dec. 18, 1707. He was educated at Westminster School and afterwards at Christ Church, Oxford, where he graduated M.A. In 1735, he took Orders and immediately proceeded with his brother John to Georgia, both being employed as missionaries of the S.P.G. He returned to England in 1736. For many years he engaged with his brother in preaching the Gospel. He died March 29, 1788. To Charles Wesley has been justly assigned the appellation of the "Bard of Methodism." His prominence in hymn writing may be judged from the fact that in the "Wesleyan Hymn Book," 623 of the 770 hymns were written by him; and he published more than thirty poetical works, written either by himself alone,…

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