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So cigarettes are the only cause of forest fires?
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Bnoel wrote:So cigarettes are the only cause of forest fires?

One of the sources of human caused forest fires, along with *campfires & **sparks from atv's etc... etc

Nature cause sources is lightning

*illegal campfire since Province wide ban is on
**spark arrestor needed
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Bnoel wrote:So cigarettes are the only cause of forest fires?

Not one person has ever said that - obviously.
Truths can be backed up by facts - do you have any?
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Bnoel wrote:So cigarettes are the only cause of forest fires?


Even a tree falling into a hydro line is considered human caused. It's an extremely wide category.
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No better example of why bans of any sort simply don't matter. You can't legislate stupidity.

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#203568

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Same old summer topic hey, why don't we just haul out the archives each year?

My reply from 2015 still applies to this subject
viewtopic.php?f=107&t=62864&p=1893606&hilit=taxes#p1893606

Should cigarettes be banned? Yes, absolutely! But have fun convincing the government to ban tobacco products, they love those tax profits too much to ever ban the sales of tobacco. And the black market would love to pick up that extra income if government did ban tobacco products. I keep seeing other comments around about banning smoking in vehicles or on certain sections of the highway...uh yeah that isn't going to work lol. So a smoker is banned from smoking in the car, okay, so they hop out at the next rest area and smoke...if they're an idiot they toss the butt in the 'tinder' dry grass, now how exactly did that ban of smoking in vehicles work out for ya? And lets really pick apart that line hey...if they're an IDIOT they toss the butt...

Should tobacco taxes go up to cover the costs involved with putting out fires caused by idiots throwing butts out and starting fires? Do people even have a clue how much money smokers' pay for tobacco tax? Smokers pay MORE than their fair share of taxes to the government, there is lots left over to put towards fighting fires, so NO, absolutely no additional taxes should be added to tobacco to put towards wildfires..we've more than covered those costs in the tobacco taxes paid.

The figures below are all from 2006 to stay consistent
Below is the totals of tax revenue made on tobacco taxes, Canada wide and in BC
http://www.smoke-free.ca/pdf_1/totaltax.pdf

2006 Total Federal and Provincial Tobacco tax revenues 7,092,693,296
BC tax revenue portion: 709,000,000


2006 Health costs related to smoking (because I knew someone would bring up these costs :) )
http://www.smoke-free.ca/factsheets/pdf ... esults.pdf

Canada – Health care costs related to smoking
Costs of acute care hospitalization (active and passive smoking) 2,551,162,605
Costs of acute care hospitalizations (passive smoking only) 53,587,998
Ambulatory care – physician fees 142,150,618
Family physician visits 306,318,458
Prescription drugs 1,360,522,427
Canada Total: 4,413,742,106

Total Canada tax revenue made from tobacco in 2006: 7,092,693,296
Total Canada Portion of Health related costs: 4,413,742,106
Difference: 2,678,951,190


BC Portion – Health care costs related to smoking
Costs of acute care hospitalization (active and passive smoking) 386,998,137
Costs of acute care hospitalizations (passive smoking only) 7,052,339
Ambulatory care – physician fees 12,496,360
Family physician visits 59,556,947
Prescription drugs 146,395,782
BC Portion Total: 612,499,565

Total BC tax revenue made from tobacco in 2006: 709,000,000
Total BC Portion of Health related costs: 612,499,565
Difference: 96,500,435


Wildfires in BC in 2006 cost: $159 million
http://bcwildfire.ca/History/SummaryArchive.htm#2006
2,570 wildfires

2006 saw more than 1,500 lightning-caused wildfires and more than 1,000 human-caused starts. Although considerably lower than the 50% average, human-caused wildfires still accounted for about 40% of all wildfires this season. The result is that 40% of all unwanted wildfires in B.C. this season were preventable.

40% of those fires were human caused (about 63 million of the 2006 cost)
For arguments sake let’s say 50% campfires and 50% cigarettes (50% of the above is about 32 million)

BC’s portion of tobacco tax (709,000,000), minus the health costs related to smoking (612,499,565) leaves 96,500,435 – if smokers caused 50% of human caused fires then they have MORE than covered the 32 million in wildfire costs in the taxes they have paid the government.

So to answer the question should taxes be raised on tobacco to cover these wildfire costs…HELL NO!! What should be done? Well to answer that we first have to figure out how to make a stupid person, not stupid...because who throws lit cigarettes out a car window into dry grassy forested areas? STUPID PEOPLE DO

Oh yes, but most of you would say STUPID people also smoke, but those smokers happen to be addicted, not stupid, idiots throwing butts out of the window are not addicted to throwing sparky objects out a window, they are just PLAIN OLD STUPID...do you see the difference? I think starting off with a 10,000 fine to anyone throwing butts out a window would be a great start! If they do start a forest fire then make them pay the costs for that fire, sure lots you could never recoup that cost from, but in the long run the point is prevention of fires. So perhaps the stupid butt flickers might rethink if there are some serious consequences for their actions.
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davis123 wrote:Same old summer topic hey, why don't we just haul out the archives each year?

My reply from 2015 still applies to this subject
viewtopic.php?f=107&t=62864&p=1893606&hilit=taxes#p1893606

Should cigarettes be banned? Yes, absolutely! But have fun convincing the government to ban tobacco products, they love those tax profits too much to ever ban the sales of tobacco. And the black market would love to pick up that extra income if government did ban tobacco products. I keep seeing other comments around about banning smoking in vehicles or on certain sections of the highway...uh yeah that isn't going to work lol. So a smoker is banned from smoking in the car, okay, so they hop out at the next rest area and smoke...if they're an idiot they toss the butt in the 'tinder' dry grass, now how exactly did that ban of smoking in vehicles work out for ya? And lets really pick apart that line hey...if they're an IDIOT they toss the butt...

Should tobacco taxes go up to cover the costs involved with putting out fires caused by idiots throwing butts out and starting fires? Do people even have a clue how much money smokers' pay for tobacco tax? Smokers pay MORE than their fair share of taxes to the government, there is lots left over to put towards fighting fires, so NO, absolutely no additional taxes should be added to tobacco to put towards wildfires..we've more than covered those costs in the tobacco taxes paid.

The figures below are all from 2006 to stay consistent
Below is the totals of tax revenue made on tobacco taxes, Canada wide and in BC
http://www.smoke-free.ca/pdf_1/totaltax.pdf

2006 Total Federal and Provincial Tobacco tax revenues 7,092,693,296
BC tax revenue portion: 709,000,000


2006 Health costs related to smoking (because I knew someone would bring up these costs :) )
http://www.smoke-free.ca/factsheets/pdf ... esults.pdf

Canada – Health care costs related to smoking
Costs of acute care hospitalization (active and passive smoking) 2,551,162,605
Costs of acute care hospitalizations (passive smoking only) 53,587,998
Ambulatory care – physician fees 142,150,618
Family physician visits 306,318,458
Prescription drugs 1,360,522,427
Canada Total: 4,413,742,106

Total Canada tax revenue made from tobacco in 2006: 7,092,693,296
Total Canada Portion of Health related costs: 4,413,742,106
Difference: 2,678,951,190


BC Portion – Health care costs related to smoking
Costs of acute care hospitalization (active and passive smoking) 386,998,137
Costs of acute care hospitalizations (passive smoking only) 7,052,339
Ambulatory care – physician fees 12,496,360
Family physician visits 59,556,947
Prescription drugs 146,395,782
BC Portion Total: 612,499,565

Total BC tax revenue made from tobacco in 2006: 709,000,000
Total BC Portion of Health related costs: 612,499,565
Difference: 96,500,435


Wildfires in BC in 2006 cost: $159 million
http://bcwildfire.ca/History/SummaryArchive.htm#2006
2,570 wildfires

2006 saw more than 1,500 lightning-caused wildfires and more than 1,000 human-caused starts. Although considerably lower than the 50% average, human-caused wildfires still accounted for about 40% of all wildfires this season. The result is that 40% of all unwanted wildfires in B.C. this season were preventable.

40% of those fires were human caused (about 63 million of the 2006 cost)
For arguments sake let’s say 50% campfires and 50% cigarettes (50% of the above is about 32 million)

BC’s portion of tobacco tax (709,000,000), minus the health costs related to smoking (612,499,565) leaves 96,500,435 – if smokers caused 50% of human caused fires then they have MORE than covered the 32 million in wildfire costs in the taxes they have paid the government.

So to answer the question should taxes be raised on tobacco to cover these wildfire costs…HELL NO!! What should be done? Well to answer that we first have to figure out how to make a stupid person, not stupid...because who throws lit cigarettes out a car window into dry grassy forested areas? STUPID PEOPLE DO

Oh yes, but most of you would say STUPID people also smoke, but those smokers happen to be addicted, not stupid, idiots throwing butts out of the window are not addicted to throwing sparky objects out a window, they are just PLAIN OLD STUPID...do you see the difference? I think starting off with a 10,000 fine to anyone throwing butts out a window would be a great start! If they do start a forest fire then make them pay the costs for that fire, sure lots you could never recoup that cost from, but in the long run the point is prevention of fires. So perhaps the stupid butt flickers might rethink if there are some serious consequences for their actions.


Well done davis123!

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