Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

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Gees - I wonder if the - Kelowna Right to Life Society - have ever heard of a overpopulated world ?

No, because they want babies to prop up their sagging Church Membership to keep the money rolling in.
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This is our country I say shut the door. No more immigration at all. I don't care what people say or think of my idea.. the more people we let in the lower standard of living everyone else has.
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oldtrucker wrote: Populations ranging from 12 in the Pitcairn Islands,...


{<--- Still scratching my head over that one... :200:

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common_sense_guy wrote:This is our country I say shut the door. No more immigration at all. I don't care what people say or think of my idea.. the more people we let in the lower standard of living everyone else has.


Ya, not how that works...

More broadly, the best way to reduce birth rates worldwide is is help economically develop underdeveloped parts of the world. Virtually universally, the higher the standard of living, the lower the birthrate.
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Gilchy wrote:
Ya, not how that works...

More broadly, the best way to reduce birth rates worldwide is is help economically develop underdeveloped parts of the world. Virtually universally, the higher the standard of living, the lower the birthrate.


This maybe true but what happens when they reduce Canada to third world status?
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Gilchy wrote:
common_sense_guy wrote:This is our country I say shut the door. No more immigration at all. I don't care what people say or think of my idea.. the more people we let in the lower standard of living everyone else has.


Ya, not how that works...

More broadly, the best way to reduce birth rates worldwide is is help economically develop underdeveloped parts of the world. Virtually universally, the higher the standard of living, the lower the birthrate.


Education is the key.....more education = less births.
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floppi wrote:
Education is the key.....more education = less births.


and lately, it's been: Belief in the man-made climate change myth = zero births.

And I'm fine with that.
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The Green Barbarian wrote:
floppi wrote:
Education is the key.....more education = less births.


and lately, it's been: Belief in the man-made climate change myth = zero births.

And I'm fine with that.


My second cousin removed made sure to make up for zero births by being on welfare and having four beautiful children "Auntie QK" is going to end up providing funds for college/trades educations.
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As I recall, the Pitcairners are a tough lot that don't don't herd very well. They're not crazy about outsiders either having been insular for 100 years. Yeah, build a house then fall off a cliff.

You, OT, would be hanging from a tree in no time flat. [icon_lol2.gif]
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The world isn't overpopulated, our civilizations are just operating incredibly inefficiently. If we focused more oj becoming efficient rather than doomsaying we'd be better off.
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srcrofford wrote:The world isn't overpopulated, our civilizations are just operating incredibly inefficiently.

The one thing about free market economies is that they are not necessarily so efficient. In North America we actually toss 40% of the food we produce. I wonder how many people we could feed with better distribution systems.
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Ka-El wrote:
srcrofford wrote:The world isn't overpopulated, our civilizations are just operating incredibly inefficiently.

The one thing about free market economies is that they are not necessarily so efficient. In North America we actually toss 40% of the food we produce. I wonder how many people we could feed with better distribution systems.


True but socialism in the forms we have seen it is also incredibly inefficient, arguably even more so based on what I know of the USSRs issues with distribution and waste.

I think technology offers a lot here and a mixed system that combines values and systems based on merit rather than emotion has a lot of potential.

An oligarchy rmanaged by AI would probably be the most efficient but there be other issues down that road.
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srcrofford wrote: True but socialism in the forms we have seen it is also incredibly inefficient,

True that, but identifying weaknesses of the free market system does not, by default, presume to mean someone is promoting or supporting socialism. We have to hope there are or can be other mechanisms for expressing and implementing collective will. One of the greatest threats facing us right now is increased polarization setting people at odds when the solutions to most of our challenges are going to found by people who can listen to each other.
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Ka-El wrote:
srcrofford wrote: True but socialism in the forms we have seen it is also incredibly inefficient,

True that, but identifying weaknesses of the free market system does not, by default, presume to mean someone is promoting or supporting socialism. We have to hope there are or can be other mechanisms for expressing and implementing collective will. One of the greatest threats facing us right now is increased polarization setting people at odds when the solutions to most of our challenges are going to found by people who can listen to each other.


Nor is mentioning socialism mean one is deriding it or making assumptions about it either. You seem to have taken that wrong and be defending against something that was never intended. The presumption is yours as you attributed motive to me that was incorrect.

Please take what i said in full in its full context.
Right now in our political climate socialism and capitalism are juxtaposed, as you aluded to, so my comment is not personal to you or anyone else and should not be taken that way in a discussion of ideas. Contrasting it as the popular alternative ideas is the context we are in.
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srcrofford wrote:
Ka-El wrote: True that, but identifying weaknesses of the free market system does not, by default, presume to mean someone is promoting or supporting socialism. We have to hope there are or can be other mechanisms for expressing and implementing collective will. One of the greatest threats facing us right now is increased polarization setting people at odds when the solutions to most of our challenges are going to found by people who can listen to each other.


Nor is mentioning socialism mean one is deriding it or making assumptions about it either. You seem to have taken that wrong and be defending against something that was never intended.

Whoa! I didn't take anything wrong or make any presumptions. Simple making an observation of something seen often on these boards. I was certainly not trying to imply it was a weakness of yours. Just an observation.

srcrofford wrote: Right now in our political climate socialism and capitalism are juxtaposed, as you aluded to, so my comment is not personal to you or anyone else and should not be taken that way in a discussion of ideas. Contrasting it as the popular alternative ideas is the context we are in.

Ya I got that and agree to a point, but personally believe always contrasting these ideas as polarized opposites is not only counterproductive, but destructive in how it closes so many options in dealing with the challenges we face. Again, increased polarization sets people at odds when the solutions to most of our challenges are going to found by listening to each other

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