The "Cost" of Cancer

[seahawks2884]

Well I guess I`ve been told the truth about Cancer treatment 36 Drew. I deduct somehow you think there is not a cure already? My father died of stomach sarcoma in 1989. I want to also say the CHEMO hastened his demise. I promised myself that I would not go out in that horrible exit. My beginning of "CANCER CRITICAL THINKING" and journey of cancer truth began in 1989! I have had a diagnosis of cancer myself squamous cell carcinoma half the size of a coffee bean under my tongue May 2018 and was operated on July 2018. I have the All clear as of last week NO CHEMO. A great Doctor who did the surgery. So now we need to move onto this farce of so called big pharma no cancer cure propaganda. Please absorb. https://www.sott.net/article/228583-Scientists-cure-cancer-but-no-one-takes-notice Just one of many drugs that were buried to make sure most of us on this planet don`t have a cure. Another https://drug-dev.com/aurin-biotech-awarded-us-patent-for-cancer-drug/. And lastly "FENBENDAZOLE" buy certainly not the only three. https://www.cancertreatmentsresearch.com/fenbendazole/.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3436308/. I could go on but I think you get the point. So I will continue being the David vs the Goliath. I think we all know how the story ended.

John

[Fancy]

This WAS about the cost of cancer in Canada. I don't recall hearing about the exorbitant costs of the treatment itself to patients I know. The cost of treating oneself with drugs obtained through the internet can be high.
(i.e. fenbendazole has caused acute hepatitis according to one hospital report).

[36Drew]

Well I guess I`ve been told the truth about Cancer treatment 36 Drew. I deduct somehow you think there is not a cure already? My father died of stomach sarcoma in 1989. I want to also say the CHEMO hastened his demise. I promised myself that I would not go out in that horrible exit. My beginning of "CANCER CRITICAL THINKING" and journey of cancer truth began in 1989! I have had a diagnosis of cancer myself squamous cell carcinoma half the size of a coffee bean under my tongue May 2018 and was operated on July 2018. I have the All clear as of last week NO CHEMO.

Your squamous cell carcinoma was probably resolved with a simple operation to remove the affected area. Of course there's no chemo. You'd know that if you took the time to understand that cancer spreads by either infecting near-cells, or sheds cells into the lymphatic system. Since skin is not a direct vector into the lymphatic system, your only concern is near-cell spread until such time as the squamous cell growth invades another system that is a vector into the lymphatic system. We're really good at treating skin cancer in western society. Many cases can be treated by a quick outpatient visit to the doctor to have the lesion and surrounding tissue removed. For prevention - generally - wear sunblock and don't get sunburned. It's generally hard to get beyond stage 1 of squamous cell cancer without completely ignoring the growth and refusing to see the doctor.

Sorry to hear of your father's death. Stomach cancer is very different from skin cancer. It also sounds as though his cancer had indeed spread to nearby organs - and there is indeed a vector into the lymphatic system once that occurs. It's also important to note that cancer treatment has improved vastly in the past 20 years. It's very easy to wind up at stage 3 and beyond with stomach cancer - as the symptoms don't appear until much later in the progression. However, comparing your cancer to your father's cancer is incredibly disingenuous. Two entirely different cancer types, stages, and vectors.

My wife, as I've already stated elsewhere, is currently battling stage 3 breast cancer. I know entirely too much about breast cancer, and for all the wrong reasons. However, I've taken the time to understand the condition and educate myself on cause, effect, and treatment.

Did you know that the term "Cancer" describes a multitude of diseases that culminate in the rapid production and spread of malformed cells? These can include tissue cells (carcinoma), blood and marrow cells (leukemia), Lymphatic cells (lymphoma), Plasma cells (myeloma) just to name a few. While they are all called "cancer", they are very different from one another - and even those grouped in the same cell type (eg., carcinoma) have different drivers and responses to medications.

Did you know there are a half-dozen different types of breast cancer? Did you know that breast cancer can be horome-driven by two different hormones (estrogen or progesterone), a damaged protein receptor (HER2), or none of the above (triple-negative or TNBC)? If you are ER or PR positive, treatment may only include chemo if the tumour is too large to operate on. After operation, ER/PR positive patients are given a hormone-targeted pill for five years. Hormone replacement therapy (HRT) is known to bring on ER/PR positive breast cancer. Ladies, don't do it without understanding the consequences.

My wife has TNBC.

TNBC is the least-common, least-understood, and most aggressive form of breast cancer. Did you know there's a grading system for breast cancer (maybe for others, but I haven't delved that deep). The grading describes the comparison of cancer cells to normal cells. Grading is different between invasive and non-invasive breast cancers. For DCIS, grade 1 represents small and uniform cells, and slow to spread. Grade 3, being the worst, represents large, non-uniform, and quick to spread.

My wife is grade 3.

Did you know that cancer spread is measured by stages? The definition of each stage, and sub-stages, changes based on cancer-type and location. Generally stage 1 means there's a small and contained tumour to be removed, stage 2 means the tumour is larger and at risk of spreading, stage 3 means that cancer cells have been shed and are spreading, and stage 4 means the cancer has indeed spread and settled into another body organ.

You would have been at stage 1 with your squamous cell carcinoma. My wife is at stage 3. When the oncologist removed her lump, she also removed the surrounding lymph nodes and had them tested. They tested positive for cancer cells.

Her first course of chemo drugs where a lovely two-in-one mix known as the "Red Devil" - Doxorubicin and Cyclophosphamide. The list of side effects is horribly long (copy-paste from a list because I don't want to type it all out)

• Low red and white blood cell counts
• Nausea and vomiting
• Hair loss
• Diarrhea or constipation
• Mouth sores
• Fatigue
• Bladder irritation
• Skin changes
• Menopausal symptoms
• Heart disease
• Leukemia
• Nail changes

What does it do? The one stops the cancer cells from growing, and the other stops them from reproducing. Together, they damage the DNA within the cancerous cells, which causes the cells to die. She had that regimen for 12 weeks.

Now she's on Paclitaxel. The side effects aren't any better. They include:

• Skin rash
• Difficulty breathing
• Diarrhea
• Hair loss
• Menopausal symptoms
• Mouth sores
• Neuropathy (numbness or tingling in the hands and feet)
• Neutropenia (low level of a type of white blood cell)
• Vomiting
• Weakness and fatigue
• Bone pain or muscle pain

It's being used to kill off any stray cells in the lymphatic system. She's had 7 of 12 treatments.

Next up is radiation therapy. That can also bring on heart disease and lyphmedemia.

The point of all this? There's a lot going on, and unlike you - I've done my homework. You obviously haven't. Just by the fact that you equate all cancers as being the same rather than a group of diseases with unique drivers, reactions to medications, growth patterns, and survivability. Our medical establishments have spent an enormous amount of time and money to gain an incredible amount of knowledge around cancer and develop treatments with well-understood outcomes. They're not perfect, and there's still plenty that they/we don't know. However, the medical community is quite comfortable with admitting what they don't know. It's obvious that there's a lot that you don't know, haven't bothered to research, and are willing to forgo medical science without a basic understanding of what you're pitching.

If you want to treat your next round of skin cancer with a canine heartworm pill, by all means go ahead. For you to suggest to me that it's a miracle cure my wife - you can eff right off. I'll side with the guys in the white labcoats.

[seahawks2884]

One hospital reported Fenbendazole it caused hepatitis? Not one person taking this Fenbenzadole cancer protocol has reported any issues with hepatitis. They do report getting better though!!! Do much cherry picking? Do you work for Merc or Pfizer? It Sounds like you are some sort of gate keeper for these companies? They don`t need your help if you don`t . They have plenty of propaganda and crisis control offices within their ranks. My point is that there are drugs within reach of every Canadian that are far more effective and cheaper than what are told is best "cutting edge" for us now. Since our government pays for these so called best available now Chemo and other highest priced Big pharma drugs. Guess who pays for these ultimately. You and I! Do some research and see we are being led a lie by the media and the government about why we are using these drugs and paying through the roof to get them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giVY-Qnqd5Q
https://www.canceractive.com/article/repurposing-old-off-patent-drugs-as-new-and-effective-cancer-treatments
https://www.canceractive.com/article/repurposing-old-off-patent-drugs-as-new-and-effective-cancer-treatments
https://www.canceractive.com/article/antiworm-drug%20for%20animals%20effective%20at%20killing%20cancer%20cells

John

[Fancy]

One hospital reported Fenbendazole it caused hepatitis? Not one person taking this Fenbenzadole cancer protocol has reported any issues with hepatitis.

I'll see if I can find the hospital report again. How would you know about patient's side effects and health issues regarding fenbendazole?

[Fancy]

Do much cherry picking? Do you work for Merc or Pfizer? It Sounds like you are some sort of gate keeper for these companies?

I read a hospital report and why would that be cherry picking to post about it? And no - I don't work for Merc or Pfizer or anyone related to those companies. No need to make it personal.

By the way - I've done more than enough research over 30 years regarding cancer and there's always more to learn. I've posted enough on the health threads to confirm that.

There's always those that think they have the answers and more quacks than can be counted. I'll never understand why people say "I've beat cancer" after a couple of months when they may have only gone into remission. It's sad to see the people in the waiting rooms at the cancer hospital and those on the wards taking treatment. It's a hard course to endure but those patients should never take advice from anyone on a forum or believe every blog and youtube they see. So much misinformation out there.

[36Drew]

I'll see if I can find the hospital report again.

https://www.acmt.net/_Library/2017_ASM_Abstracts/ACMT2017_069.pdf is probably the report you're thinking of.

[seahawks2884]

Well I sure have stirred up a hornets nest. I think we know who the hornets are. Here it is in black and white READ IT ALL!!!
Although the original clinical approval for fenbendazole was for intestinal parasites and not for cancer, the drug has already gone through human clinical trials and so all of the clinical trial work related to toxicity has already been done and febendazole has been deemed safe for human consumption for many years.

Chris Woollams, former Oxford University Biochemist and a founder of CANCERactive said, "Fenbendazole is yet another example of a cheap, safe drug intended for a specific health condition, which can be repurposed to be used to treat cancer. There is no doubt it has strong properties but some cancer experts prefer to use Mebendazole, which they obviously feel has more. We do have an article on CANCERactive about many such repurposed drugs from Metformin to Mebendazole."

Go to: Repurposed drugs as cancer treatments

References

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-30158-6
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3436308/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2687140/
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a545657.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21764822
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2009737
https://www.mycancerstory.rocks/single- ... erspective
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... ncer_cells
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/pu ... hting_drug)

[Fancy]

Certainly haven't stirred up a hornets nest - been talking about cures for years on various threads. This thread is more about the costs.

What I don't do is take what people say on blogs and youtubes as gospel truth. Buying online can have disastrous results.

[Fancy]

It seems to me that fenbendazole is not currently used on patients so please provide those clinical trials you are speaking of. I must have missed them.

[36Drew]

It seems to me that fenbendazole is not currently used on patients so please provide those clinical trials you are speaking of. I must have missed them.

I can't find any human trials, but there has been some medical investigation performed.

http://ar.iiarjournals.org/content/33/2/355.short

Not sure I'd want to try it. Doesn't sound particularly effective compared to a traditional taxil-based treatment, and we already know that the pills you buy online can cause hepatitis.

[Fancy]

Chris Woollams, former Oxford University Biochemist and a founder of CANCERactive said,

I've read a little about Chris Woollams - he's up there on the "quackometer".

[seahawks2884]

I post links to what my position is. Please make your statements with proof of something. The real quacks are Big pharma filling the public world with the cure is just around the corner. Utter BS over and over. It would take less than a minute to prove how corrupt the medical system is!!!! The so called whistle blowers and fed up Doctors that you demean are doing the front line work to actually come up with real tangible results that don`t cause you to be "sick while treating you to get better"? Please give me a reason why I should trust any new drug coming from the cancer industry???? Why because they say so. They have been at this game for a very long time.Not good enough for me and most people who realize the scam is up!!! And fed up!!! So you can continue to keep bullying and demeaning people who really just want much much better from our medical system. Not profit over people or cures!!!!!

15 seconds to find this hundreds more just like it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIm8fHxqUAM
[url]Searching the literature, they found reports that fenbendazole had been shown to inhibit cancer growth. Then, by trial and error, they determined that the related drug mebendazole—which has been used for the last 60 years to treat parasites in the human gastrointestinal tract—might also hold potential for stalling glioblastoma.[/url]

[Fancy]

.. the drug has already gone through human clinical trials ..

Please make YOUR statements with proof of something...

[Fancy]

The so called whistle blowers and fed up Doctors that you demean[/url]

Really?
Please enlighten me as to Chris Woollams's medical experience regarding studies in cancer treatment. And what doctor have I demeaned? I'm thinking you're not interested in discussing costs of cancer at all. I don't know if there's anyone I know that hasn't been touched by cancer through family or friends. The costs of losing someone is enormous but the costs of sketchy alternative treatments spouted on the internet can be huge as well.