Snowbirds/Snowbird crash

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W105 wrote:here's the link..yes sadly the female pilot passed away..

https://www.kamloopsthisweek.com/news/w ... 1.24136744


A witness told KTW a second person, a female, appeared to have succumbed to her injuries.

Hings and her daughter rushed to the backyard of the home and found a person who appeared to be deceased.


“I saw a deceased female with catastrophic injuries,” Hings said. “It looked like she hit a tree. It’s insane. It’s not supposed to happen. This [the Snowbirds tour] is supposed to be a good thing and she died.”


A terrible Tragedy :(
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Perhaps some Canadian officials can check out the boneyard in Tucson Arizona and find 9 old US airforce Jets that were retired only a few years ago that would be more modern than these T-33's. F4 Phantoms maybe? Or some A6 Intruders? F14 Tomcats? Time to upgrade, to at least a dual-engine plane for the Snowbirds....
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Aviation analyst on CTV news: 3rd video on the right hand side - Seems to be an engine failure

https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/snowbirds-plane-crashes-after-taking-off-in-kamloops-b-c-1.4943375
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madadam wrote:Watching CBC and they had an aviation expert who has worked on the planes watching the video and he said it looks like the plane had engine failure, when that happens they usually barrel roll and the pilot has no control at all.


Not quite. They don't barrel roll because of the engine failure, the aircraft may barrel roll if it enters an uncontrollable stall after an engine failure on takeoff. The pilot would have no control due to the stall and the barrel roll is a consequence of it. Vastly different.


As for the female, I don't believe the current group has a female pilot, but there are female crew.


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JagXKR wrote:Not quite. They don't barrel roll because of the engine failure

Especially on a single engine.
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In the video where the planes are almost over the guy taking the videos, there sounds like a slight pop at the nine second mark. Engine issues? Hit a bird?
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Bird strike into engine intake?
Rate of decent was so high when they ejected I'm surprised anyone made it.
Hard to say unless actually being in the cockpit, but it looks as if maybe they waited 1 second too long to pull the handle....-decent rate. Maybe they stayed in to try to get it pointed in a safe direction.
We see them turn to the left like Okayak said...maybe partial power at that point-but ...1 second too late.
I don't think the CT114 used hydraulics for its flight controls, so it could have still been flyable( 'pointable' with a 20 degree nose down anyway) with the engine out. Linkage failure? Impossible to say. Sucks.
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The Green Barbarian wrote:Perhaps some Canadian officials can check out the boneyard in Tucson Arizona and find 9 old US airforce Jets that were retired only a few years ago that would be more modern than these T-33's. F4 Phantoms maybe? Or some A6 Intruders? F14 Tomcats? Time to upgrade, to at least a dual-engine plane for the Snowbirds....


While I agree that the single engine Tutor Snowbird planes should be retired, they are NOT T-33's! Good grief; those were from 1948 era; these are CT-114's, built in the 60's. Maybe fact check before posting next time.
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pentona wrote:
The Green Barbarian wrote:Perhaps some Canadian officials can check out the boneyard in Tucson Arizona and find 9 old US airforce Jets that were retired only a few years ago that would be more modern than these T-33's. F4 Phantoms maybe? Or some A6 Intruders? F14 Tomcats? Time to upgrade, to at least a dual-engine plane for the Snowbirds....


While I agree that the single engine Tutor Snowbird planes should be retired, they are NOT T-33's! Good grief; those were from 1948 era; these are CT-114's, built in the 60's. Maybe fact check before posting next time.


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Although I do enjoy watching air displays, there have been so many deaths resulting from that particular form of entertainment that I too wonder if it’s time to retire such shows. Particularly from our armed forces. Because, as a mother, I know I wouldn't want MY child to suffer such an unnecessary death.
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My condolences to Family (both) and Friends. Both referring to Snowbird Family & biological.
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Merry wrote: Because, as a mother, I know I wouldn't want MY child to suffer such an unnecessary death.


Every time that person strapped themselves into a machine, whether it was a C152 first flight or a high performance single or twin after they learned how to fly...they knew what the dangers were...and I can promise you they loved it. Nothing would have stopped them from doing it- Canadian air force or something else.
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pentona wrote:
While I agree that the single engine Tutor Snowbird planes should be retired, they are NOT T-33's! Good grief; those were from 1948 era; these are CT-114's, built in the 60's. Maybe fact check before posting next time.


I apologize for getting the plane wrong. I realize that emotions are running a bit high but this level.of debaggery was unnecessary.
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Something that was cheer us up brought us down:(
My heart goes out the the family of the deceased.. I hope death was immediate and the other person recovers.
What a total waste of Life.
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Merry wrote:Although I do enjoy watching air displays, there have been so many deaths resulting from that particular form of entertainment that I too wonder if it’s time to retire such shows. Particularly from our armed forces. Because, as a mother, I know I wouldn't want MY child to suffer such an unnecessary death.



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