Ease up on drug charges

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https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#308411, like what the :cuss: if this does not tell every criminal junkie that it has become a free for all without fear of jail time nothing will , are govt has lost its mind :cuss: :swear:

small and med size drug dealers can now sell drugs without fear of jail time how many more death and victims because of this soft on crime move
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First off its not like they do much if any time anyway, If we said we'd jail all the criminal junkies the next thread would be about the high taxes to prosecute and house them.
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My idea has always been make a separate junkie jail to keep them in their medically safe overnight. They don't want to be in there and they might hide their drug use and all their drug paraphernalia at least and keep the rest of the city safe.
I'm curious what percentage of people actually think the direction the city is taking with these junkies is good or not. Maybe 5 to 10% may think the city is doing what they should. Which would leave the rest of us thinking what the heck are they doing. And if I'm right on my assumption that 90% think they're handling it all wrong then what is wrong with our society when our elected officials are ignoring 90% of the populations wishes.
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So do these new guidelines, recommendations work for all other crime. You know, just like drug crimes, all the other crimes that are illegal, hurt others, jeopardize peoples safety and even kill? So like drunk driving? Maybe domestic assaults, car thief, or maybe child porn. If the individual is in a court or provincial program already and caught again, give them a break?
No excuse, its a joke and admitting failure that they have no ability and no means of ever dealing with the issue at hand. :swear:
How about rehab in some off the grid location that removes them from any of the environment that the same government and people help build. Really think anyone is going to get better trying to deal with their problem all the while being immersed right in the middle of it?
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Many boomers still don't get it, which is sad because they're the 1st generation who strongly suffered as a result. The war on drugs has been lost. 60+ years after it started - we still haven't made any progress. Harsh penalties have been tried multiple times - the only thing they achieved was more people rotting in jail. The only places that have made significant progress of curbing drug use have had to try new things...like moving resources away from enforcement and toward recovery assistance.

RCMP and legal system understand this. RCMP generally support cannabis legalization, many believe it should go further.

Long story short Truth - Status quo isn't working. Do you have a better idea?
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liisgo wrote:So do these new guidelines, recommendations work for all other crime. You know, just like drug crimes, all the other crimes that are illegal, hurt others, jeopardize peoples safety and even kill? So like drunk driving? Maybe domestic assaults, car thief, or maybe child porn. If the individual is in a court or provincial program already and caught again, give them a break?
No excuse, its a joke and admitting failure that they have no ability and no means of ever dealing with the issue at hand. :swear:
How about rehab in some off the grid location that removes them from any of the environment that the same government and people help build. Really think anyone is going to get better trying to deal with their problem all the while being immersed right in the middle of it?

What you are saying seems to have been addressed. No one is getting a break but restorative justice for minor offences seems more fitting than plugging up the criminal legal system. Those that aren't going to get the break are the ones hurting others as noted in the article.
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Fancy wrote:
liisgo wrote:So do these new guidelines, recommendations work for all other crime. You know, just like drug crimes, all the other crimes that are illegal, hurt others, jeopardize peoples safety and even kill? So like drunk driving? Maybe domestic assaults, car thief, or maybe child porn. If the individual is in a court or provincial program already and caught again, give them a break?
No excuse, its a joke and admitting failure that they have no ability and no means of ever dealing with the issue at hand. :swear:
How about rehab in some off the grid location that removes them from any of the environment that the same government and people help build. Really think anyone is going to get better trying to deal with their problem all the while being immersed right in the middle of it?

What you are saying seems to have been addressed. No one is getting a break but restorative justice for minor offences seems more fitting than plugging up the criminal legal system. Those that aren't going to get the break are the ones hurting others as noted in the article.


restorative justice is a :cuss: joke you pretend to be sorry for what you did , to get less time
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If there is real restitution and community service involved - that seems to be a win/win.
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Sure, let's allow drug dealers to slaughter people with illicit drugs and escape imprisonment.

Yet if a person drops a 22 shell from their pocket in the truck when they are hunting rabbits, they get 2 to 5 years in jail.


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Pete Podoski wrote:Sure, let's allow drug dealers to slaughter people with illicit drugs and escape imprisonment.

That's not what's being said. Conduct that puts the health or safety of others at risk warrants criminal prosecution.
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Fancy wrote:
liisgo wrote:So do these new guidelines, recommendations work for all other crime. You know, just like drug crimes, all the other crimes that are illegal, hurt others, jeopardize peoples safety and even kill? So like drunk driving? Maybe domestic assaults, car thief, or maybe child porn. If the individual is in a court or provincial program already and caught again, give them a break?
No excuse, its a joke and admitting failure that they have no ability and no means of ever dealing with the issue at hand. :swear:
How about rehab in some off the grid location that removes them from any of the environment that the same government and people help build. Really think anyone is going to get better trying to deal with their problem all the while being immersed right in the middle of it?

What you are saying seems to have been addressed. No one is getting a break but restorative justice for minor offences seems more fitting than plugging up the criminal legal system. Those that aren't going to get the break are the ones hurting others as noted in the article.


They are making the change because the system is getting Plugged up. Its a pull back measure that in time will see the guidelines widen yet again to compensate for the issue's getting worse, not being resolved or even controlled. Again though, this measure is being specifically directed at the drug illegal activities, which is clearly because its getting unmanageable in its present form. Its not a fix, its an excuse.
A new approach, imagination, different people working on the system to try something very new. This is not any of those.
Its adjustment to the failings of whats obviously not working.
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liisgo wrote:A new approach, imagination, different people working on the system to try something very new. This is not any of those.
Its adjustment to the failings of whats obviously not working.

Where are the new approaches? If anyone has a better idea, I'm sure it would be listened to. In the meantime, something is being done to free up a system with an alternative available now.
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Fancy wrote:
Pete Podoski wrote:Sure, let's allow drug dealers to slaughter people with illicit drugs and escape imprisonment.

That's not what's being said. Conduct that puts the health or safety of others at risk warrants criminal prosecution.


ALL drug dealing puts the health and safety of others at risk.
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Lots of panic... when all else fails, lets READ the news item....

    • Federal prosecutors are being instructed to criminally prosecute only the most serious drug possession offences and to find alternatives outside the criminal justice system for the rest.

    • pursue suitable alternative measures and diversion from the criminal justice system for simple possession cases," it states.

    • The guideline specifies six types of conduct that would generally warrant criminal prosecution:

      — Conduct that poses a risk to the safety or well-being of children or youth, such as being in possession of an illicit drug in the vicinity of places frequented by youths or being a person in a position of trust or statutory authority with respect to children.

      — Conduct that puts the health or safety of others at risk, such as driving or preparing to drive while impaired, supervising another person driving, operating machinery, possessing a weapon or performing an activity that poses a risk to public health or safety.

      — Conduct that "poses a heightened risk" to a community's efforts to combat illegal substance use, an issue that often arises in isolated and remote communities.

      — Conduct where there's "a factually grounded basis to associate it" with another drug offence, including cultivation, production, harvesting, trafficking or importation of a controlled substance.

      — Conduct in breach of rules in "a regulated setting" such as jail or prison.

      — Conduct committed by a peace officer or public officer that is relevant to the discharge of their duties.

You'll note the idea of prosecuting does NOT involve TRAFFICKING.

So it appears the government is exploring not prosecuting drug addicts for possession of the drugs they sadly physically need. No mention of not charging drug traffickers.

The problem, still exists that these addicts need funds to buy the drugs and generally that involves crime. Those that feed their habits by trafficking drugs will apparently still be subject to charges.

The unfortunate problem, that nobody is talking about is, for many addicts, the occasional jail sentence allows them time (in some cases) to get well and partially recover, sadly so many times once out, the cycle resumes.
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I thought taking drugs was a choice ?

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