Who's lying about the Uyghurs?

[typhoon44]

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[Omnitheo]

Yes, I am against Communism. It's the worst ideology of all time, and is responsible for more death than even the Nazis.

Except this is blatantly false and has been explained several times. The ideologies haven’t directly killed people, what did that was authoritarian leaders of all different political stripes. From Stalin to Hitler to Mussolini to Pol Pot.

If you want to talk about ideologies killing people, then Capitalism takes the cake as millions suffer and die every year because they can’t afford food or medical treatment or shelter. Or if we want to look at history, look at the spice trades the colonization of the americas. Entire cultures killed. Genocides in the name of profits. The bloody slave trade for gods sake.

As a recent comment I saw made quite clear:

Well, it’s only fair to address this as capitalism or communism on the same timeline, between 1917 and 1991, otherwise the death toll from capitalism would be obscenely higher, what with the slave trade, all the bourgeois revolutions of the 17th-21st centuries, genocides in the period of colonialism, etc. and again for no fair reason.

It’s also important to note that advanced communism (if we think of communism as an objective system of society and not just “anything we want to call it”) has not yet existed apart from in some kind of embryonic form, as in the early years of the Russian revolution and the European revolutions after WWI or the Paris Commune and some others.

Likewise we can not say “communism” has killed people, rather states etc. claiming to act *in the interests* of the communist movement and global working class.

So, on that note: if you take the Black Book of Communism or somesuch source as trustworthy, it could easily be more than 100 million, the Black Book argued a little less than that itself though I believe.

I’d argue more like 60 million overall, as many of the anti-communist sources inflated the statistics through things like factoring in all deaths in the USSR in WWII, for example, or any kind of population decline.

That level of, you could say, fanaticism, brings to mind trials by Maoists where they would execute a proportional amount of landowners for any decrease in demographics in a given area over the last generation.

That said, 60 million is still a lot.

However the capitalist world, in the era of imperialism, has by the same metrics killed more, proportionally, if we consider that about 2/3rds of the world at that time was in the US sphere of influence.

I can’t get an easy run-down of statistics, but it’s about 75 million of starvation, (the UN says it is 7.5 million a year) alone in the last 10 years. I’ve heard that 18 million die of poverty related causes alone every year and it sounds reasonable but I don’t know the source. There were many western-supported genocidal dictatorships (Suharto is a good example), imperialist wars, etc. at the same time as the Cold War, too, of course there still are now, and that still doesn’t factor in the sheer numbers killed by the day-to-day brutalities of capitalism, especially in the third world.

And then you have to factor in, in the course of capitalist development (which these states were undergoing anyway) how many would have died of their miserable conditions in the course of capitalist development anyway? Supposing they had never become “socialist”. I’d say a similar amount, although it is likely purges would not have happened to the same extent (perhaps).

[The Green Barbarian]

Except this is blatantly false and has been explained several times.

Except that it's not false. Communism sucks.

[averagejoe]

Here is an article to get back on track after derail by communist sympathizer.

I'm sure this part of the religious war on religion.

Trump Reportedly Considers Accusing China Of "Genocide" Over Treatment Of Uighurs

As the Trump Administration works to keep the flow of aggressive China-related headlines flowing across social media, Politico reported on Tuesday that the administration is weighing the possibility of labeling Beijing's treatment of Muslim minority Uighurs a “genocide".

Of course, for this label to have any real power or affect, it would have to be backed by the UN Security Council. And seeing as China has a permanent seat and veto power, the odds of this ever flying at the UN are virtual impossible.

Yet, the story - which will almost certainly elicit a rebuke from Beijing, and/or in the state-controlled press - also traces other more likely alternatives which highlight the fact that the Trump Administration is taking the issue of the Uighurs human rights' violations at the hands of an unaccountable regime extremely seriously.

The contrast is clear: Trump is fighting to preserve America's status as a bastion of liberty in the eyes of the world, while white educated college students work with criminals and other misguided 'radicals' to undermine order and confidence in the US, arguing that Trump's election was such an "affront to Democracy", that nothing he says or does makes any difference.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... nt-uighurs

[typhoon44]

That's hilarious. Trump as a bastion of liberty.
He is simply waging a propaganda campaign to deflect from his genocidal mishandling of the Covid-19 crisis.
Absolutely the UN, US, and Russia should sanction China over mistreatment of the Uyghurs. They won't.

[The Green Barbarian]

That's hilarious. Trump as a bastion of liberty.

Why is that hilarious?

[typhoon44]

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[averagejoe]

Chinese communist goverment not only going after the Muslim Uyghurs.

But Buddhists too!

This is what communists do, tear down religious statues because the national religion of China is atheism.

Changing history and erasing the past....

China destroying Buddhist statues now.

In China, the government is not only cracking down on Muslims, but on other religions as well as it pushes to assert communist ideology. Buddhist temples have been closed or demolished, while a campaign has been launched to destroy hundreds of statues of Buddha. The destruction of the giant Guan-yin Buddha has drawn international condemnation.

https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/chi ... atues-now/

[Thinktank]

Far left socialists claim that persecution of Muslim minority in China is a right-wing capitalist myth.

This is completely false, and 30 seconds of Googling brings up a good rebuttal...

Actually, Google is lying about the Uyghurs.

If you search Uyghur genocide
you will get 1,000 videos - all really dumb, made by fraud youtube channels - with as low as zero, one, five or ten views that come up sooner than this video below



with 33,000 views. That proves Goggle - Youtube -is a giant liar.

But watch the video. Learn why China suddenly likes genocide.


The little liar. Remember her? $7 trillion spent on that war - all for nothing.



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[Jlabute]

Uyghurs are imprisoned. Perhaps there is a question to the accuracy of the number as it is difficult to estimate. The US says 800,000 to 2 million. There are pictures of concentration camps, expanding concentration camps, and reports that many Uyghurs are eventually transported inland, close to 500,000. They perform hard labour. They are re-educated in order to beat the Islam out of them. They are monitored and restricted much more than other race in China with a camera and security force with the likes of not seen anywhere else on earth. Uyghurs have to install apps on their phones for tracking, forced to allow Chinese short and long-term home-stays, and in general are abused without being imprisoned. These Muslims must be really bad to deserve a multi-decadal crackdown.

Any doubt is meant to soften the western view of China and so soften or end the new 'cold war'. Well, if we are wrong about the Uyghurs, we could be wrong about China's eternal claims and assertiveness towards India, Russia, Taiwan, the indo-pacific islands, and others. Hopefully we will ignore their egregious world actions in general. I can see the desire to normalize the Uyghur condition since more and more in the west glorify hateful communism. Unfortunately for communists, the Uyghur condition is just one of a hundred red flags.

It is quite appropriate for an article written by Max Blumenthal (regular sputnik contributor) being first published in a Chinese news article for the Global Times, and Sir Philip Green who right now is on his $100M yacht living off those he has scammed, ruined, and exploited. Seems as though Russia and China are inviting us to the dark side while they live high and mighty in the West.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1196790.shtml

[Thinktank]

Far left socialists claim that persecution of Muslim minority in China is a right-wing capitalist myth.

If you said "WOULD CHINA DO A GENOCIDE?" now I would say yes.

Because Ukraine- Russia are doing a genocide right now.
USA is doing a genocide in Yemen.
USA laughed when they killed 500,000 children in Iraq for no reason.

So now I agree China WOULD do a genocide- on everyone, not just Uyghurs.
We'll also do a genocide here - wait and see.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87y50UB8 ... UQ&index=2[/youtube]
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[Babba_not_Gump]

Who is lying? China.
Who won't admit what's happening? Canada.