Defund the CBC

[hobbyguy]

Well, 'cept maybe for the fact that the CBC tries to present factual information

Steers try to breed cows, too.

Doesn't work out.

The C.B.C. needs to stand on its own.

That in and of itself is a right wing meme that is without merit.

Why does the CBC need to stand on its own? The oil sands don't - they get massive government subsidies both from Ottawa and Edmonton. Wind farms don't. Roads don't. The RCMP doesn't. Sewer systems don't.

How many "stand alone" businesses went running to Ottawa and are continuing to do so because of COVID-19??

"No man is an island" - and neither is any business or enterprise.

Like I said, the CBC "defund" is a right wing bubble pop. The CBC provides valuable services to millions of Canadians and employs a lot of Canadians - do "Conservatives" want to ship those Canadian jobs to that bastion of the far right - Hollywood??

[rustled]

Why does the CBC need to stand on its own? The oil sands don't - they get massive government subsidies both from Ottawa and Edmonton. Wind farms don't. Roads don't. The RCMP doesn't. Sewer systems don't.

The oil sands provides an obvious economic return for Canadians' investment. The CBC does not.

Wind farms do not and shouldn't be subsidized, either.

The RCMP is an essential service. The CBC is not.

Sewer systems are an essential service. Despite the obvious parallels - e.g.transporting excrement from one place to another - the CBC is not.

"The CBC is essential" is a mindless and nonsensical "bubble pop meme" cliche. The CBC should stand on its own for the same reason every other media organization in Canada must stand on its own.

[typhoon44]

The oil sands provides an obvious economic return for Canadians' investment. The CBC does not.

Wind farms do not and shouldn't be subsidized, either.

The RCMP is an essential service. The CBC is not.

Sewer systems are an essential service. Despite the obvious parallels - e.g.transporting excrement from one place to another - the CBC is not.

"The CBC is essential" is a mindless and nonsensical "bubble pop meme" cliche. The CBC should stand on its own for the same reason every other media organization in Canada must stand on its own.

Private means private. So you'd be okay with all media outlets in Canada owned by American or Chinese companies?
At least we know who owns the CBC.

[hobbyguy]

Why does the CBC need to stand on its own? The oil sands don't - they get massive government subsidies both from Ottawa and Edmonton. Wind farms don't. Roads don't. The RCMP doesn't. Sewer systems don't.

The oil sands provides an obvious economic return for Canadians' investment. The CBC does not.

Wind farms do not and shouldn't be subsidized, either.

The RCMP is an essential service. The CBC is not.

Sewer systems are an essential service. Despite the obvious parallels - e.g.transporting excrement from one place to another - the CBC is not.

"The CBC is essential" is a mindless and nonsensical "bubble pop meme" cliche. The CBC should stand on its own for the same reason every other media organization in Canada must stand on its own.

You choose not see the economic benefit of the CBC.

Using US figures (because they are the easiest to find):

Jobs multipliers:

Arts, entertainment, and recreation: 3.785
Mining (like bitumen mining): 3.900

So for every CBC job, there are 3.785 induced and indirect jobs created.
For every oil sands job, there are 3.900 induced and indirect jobs created.

However, as you correctly point out, it is not as obvious. Why? Because the the oil sands jobs created for suppliers (a easy to see link) is 2.24 suppliers jobs, where an operation like the CBC is only 1.23 supplier jobs, and so the links are not as obvious.

For reference, the top job multiplier sectors in the US are:

1. Utilities 9.577
2. Real Estate 8.797
3. Durable manufacturing 7.441

So both the CBC and the oil sands are middle of the road job creators. Site C is a beauty.

The 3 with the lowest multipliers?

retail trade 1.221, administrative and support services 1.345, accommodation and food services 1.612

So the CBC and the oil sands are not too shabby at creating jobs. Why subsidize one and not the other?

The CBC gets $150 million per year +/-. gas and the oil sands get $3.3 billion plus, plus, plus... https://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/national-today-newsletter-canada-oil-subsidies-us-politics-1.4950380

Maybe it is articles like that which upset the right wing, so they say "look over here" and point the finger at the CBC subsidy... while wanting MORE subsidies for the oil sands.

The reality is that CBC is good investment for Canadians.

But I think it is great that the CPC wants to "defund the CBC" - it will cost them dearly at the polls.

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The oil sands provides an obvious economic return for Canadians' investment. The CBC does not.
SNIP
"The CBC is essential" is a mindless and nonsensical "bubble pop meme" cliche. The CBC should stand on its own for the same reason every other media organization in Canada must stand on its own.

You choose not see the economic benefit of the CBC.

Using US figures (because they are the easiest to find):

Jobs multipliers:

Arts, entertainment, and recreation: 3.785
Mining (like bitumen mining): 3.900

So for every CBC job, there are 3.785 induced and indirect jobs created..

Don't mistake your own habits of "choosing to see" for mine.

There's no logical reason to assume those jobs would immediately vanish if the CBC had to stand on its own.

If the CBC hadn't turned into a propaganda mouthpiece, I'd be on board with funding them in support of Canadian content.

The CBC's own lack of objectivity - their own lack of journalistic integrity - turned me off many years before Trudeau turned me off the Liberals.

[Sparki55]

That in and of itself is a right wing meme that is without merit.

Why does the CBC need to stand on its own? The oil sands don't - they get massive government subsidies both from Ottawa and Edmonton. Wind farms don't. Roads don't. The RCMP doesn't. Sewer systems don't.

How many "stand alone" businesses went running to Ottawa and are continuing to do so because of COVID-19??

"No man is an island" - and neither is any business or enterprise.

Like I said, the CBC "defund" is a right wing bubble pop. The CBC provides valuable services to millions of Canadians and employs a lot of Canadians - do "Conservatives" want to ship those Canadian jobs to that bastion of the far right - Hollywood??

And the "Fund CBC" is a left wing initiative.

Fine, leave it as is.

So I say you want to subsidize a left leaning news site, then we also need to subsidize the other side of the story.

You had nothing to say on the clear bias between the Vancouver Sun vs CBC article comparison. Since you chose to ignore the bias, it clearly exists.

I could just imagine the hate and complaining if CBC was right winged bias. It may have even helped swing last election to a conservative win since the numbers were so close and the liberals had a media advantage.

[Sparki55]

That in and of itself is a right wing meme that is without merit.

Why does the CBC need to stand on its own? The oil sands don't - they get massive government subsidies both from Ottawa and Edmonton. Wind farms don't. Roads don't. The RCMP doesn't. Sewer systems don't.

It takes but a small amount of thought to see that a media company who tailers conversation to the public in attempts to push a political agenda that is funded by government is a completely separate issue from an industry that contributes 170 billion to Canada's GDP.

Care to explain the link between the two?

[typhoon44]

Already proven that the CBC is a fact based entity and does not show bias in news reporting. Calling it left leaning just highlights the right wing agenda.

[The Green Barbarian]

Sewer systems are an essential service. Despite the obvious parallels - e.g.transporting excrement from one place to another - the CBC is not.
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[The Green Barbarian]

Already proven that the CBC is a fact based entity .

Not proven whatsoever. It's proven that what you wrote above is total BS.

[typhoon44]

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cbc-news-canadian-broadcasting/

Do you understand what centre means? Left-center doesn't mean it only produces left wing content or opinions.
From your link:
"In general, CBC’s straight news reporting is consistently low biased, factual and covers both sides of issues." Centre.
"Editorially, the opinion pages tend to be balanced with some stories slightly leaning left" left-centre.

Obviously opinion is different from facts. Hannity/Zakaria are opinion. Wallace/Tapper are facts.
And don't post a Reddit thread or an opinion piece as fact. That's just weak.

Proven.

[Sparki55]

Proven.

Why don't you try and explain my example between the Sun and CBC then?

See I used facts to counteract your argument, but you're not interested in real info.

Stating "proven" means nothing and neither does your "left center" comment. Left of center with high facts means they don't have to share all the facts and can use wording to try and lead people into believing the Liberals hold some moral high ground.

[Sparki55]

Already proven that the CBC is a fact based entity and does not show bias in news reporting. Calling it left leaning just highlights the right wing agenda.

So as long as all the facts are checkable, the news site it ok. Got it.

Doesn't matter if they chose to report the bad facts on Conservatives and the good facts on Liberals and leave out the rest eh?

[The Green Barbarian]

Proven.

Nonsense.

[Ub2]

The only time CBC had rational, balanced content was from Rex Murphy, and we know what happened to him.

The CBC now is nothing more than another communications arm of the Liberal party.