An interesting Approach to Dealers

[Lady tehMa]

Saw this on Facebook, posted by one of my Northern-living friends.

Thoughts?

[Babba_not_Gump]

Thoughts? You bet I do.

I wish our communities had the power to do this, post names, cut off power and water. But oh, the whining and crying that would follow.
This is one power the native communities have that I envy.

[stuphoto]

Some communities do control both the water and electricity so they could if they wanted to.
However someone is profiting off it, so they will only throw that switch when forced to.

Personally I would rather leave the water flowing but direct the neighborhood sewer system into the house.

[GordonH]

Could be problem if last name of the dealer is either smith or jones

[the truth]

Saw this on Facebook, posted by one of my Northern-living friends.

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Thoughts?

i love it................

[MAPearce]

Yeup ... Shut them down completely ...

No power , no water ... NOTHING !

Then bring in the the bulldozers

[stuphoto]

No Bulldozers,
Clean the dump up and it's perfect for Low Income housing.

[Even Steven]

That's a great approach, but it won't work anywhere else besides some small town on the reservation. Because like it or not, but in the real world, these measures would be quickly countered in court. You have to prove somebody is a drug dealer. You have to put them in jail if that's the case, not just kick them out. You have to give them rights, you have to battle them in a legal field.

It's nice to talk about how in the Middle East they cut off hands if somebody is caught stealing and how it supposedly fixes crime (it doesn't). But you can't bring archaic measures as the way to fix a society that is in the 21st century. It's too simplistic, but it makes you feel warm and fuzzy talking about it. Yeah, I wish it was this simple, but it's not.

And I hate drug dealers just like any other guy.

[mexi cali]

That's a great approach, but it won't work anywhere else besides some small town on the reservation. Because like it or not, but in the real world, these measures would be quickly countered in court. You have to prove somebody is a drug dealer. You have to put them in jail if that's the case, not just kick them out. You have to give them rights, you have to battle them in a legal field.

It's nice to talk about how in the Middle East they cut off hands if somebody is caught stealing and how it supposedly fixes crime (it doesn't). But you can't bring archaic measures as the way to fix a society that is in the 21st century. It's too simplistic, but it makes you feel warm and fuzzy talking about it. Yeah, I wish it was this simple, but it's not.

And I hate drug dealers just like any other guy.

Right, and our current system is working really well. Let's just keep on doing it that way.

[JayByrd]

Cutting off utilities gets complicated when there are non-dealing residents in the home, particularly children and seniors. The collateral damage might cause this to do more harm than good.

[alanjh595]

Cutting off utilities gets complicated when there are non-dealing residents in the home, particularly children and seniors. The collateral damage might cause this to do more harm than good.

So therefore, it's a coin toss. Either force the seniors and children out, and at the same time give them a better situation, with all of our resources that are available, OR leave them where they are and make them pawns of drug dealers?

A drug dealer lives in a house with seniors and/or children that is using those people as a shield to protect themselves ....
Does that make it OKay for them to continue their illegal and dangerous business? OR does it make for a greater criminal charge when they are arrested?
I don't see anything in the CCC that pertains to living with seniors/children while dealing drugs that constitutes a criminal charge over and above "possession for sale".

YES, arrest them, but add a "no contact order" to their condition of bail, even to the extent of "stay away from the area" of at least 500kms.

In the mean time, support the seniors/children in the household, they are the ones that need it the most.

[liisgo]

Saik’uz First Nation issued a stern warning on Nov. 5 to any community member supporting illegal drug activity from their on-reserve home and said any evidence of such involvement will result in them being banned from 10 different locations.

So, the BC government is financially supporting Native only, court rooms through out BC in the tune of Millions of dollars. The justification from the different tribe representatives is that they are tired of our system not working fairly, properly. That it creates a revolving door policy of crime. A unfair prison occupancy represented by an abundance of native people, etc, etc.
The statement of, Our system of enforcement, punishment, does not work and their system, with their elders at the Helm does.
But now, a complete "wash your own hands" of involvement to your own people needing assistance, help is being thrown out the window. Kicking their people out of their homes, off the reserve's where they live?
Ignoring them, handing them off to the same system you claim doesn't work?
Our system is wrong, unfair, failing, yet now so does yours.
But still the biggest concern out of this is the lack of responsibility to your own.
The hypocrisy of past statements and stances.

[Even Steven]

Right, and our current system is working really well. Let's just keep on doing it that way.

Thank you for a simplistic response to a rather complicated discussion.

[dogspoiler]

It has some good points, but it's a lot like flushing a toilet. The crud just moves along.

[mexi cali]

Right, and our current system is working really well. Let's just keep on doing it that way.

Thank you for a simplistic response to a rather complicated discussion.

I'm sorry, do you find this complicated? I think it is in fact simplistic. Problem is, too many people beakin off about charter rights when innocent people are victimized by parasitical doosh bags who don't give a rats behind about the death toll they create.

Those charter rights protect them and where I stand is that, once you have committed a crime serious enough, you remove yourself from said rights, you are free game.