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Failed climate related predictions by politicians, media, and scientists - just in time for the end of 2020. I find it interesting that not only did Tuvalu originate claims of doom, they are also building new airports and experiencing profound economic growth from the last 6 years.

https://junkscience.com/2020/12/wrong-a ... ore-103862
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Jlabute wrote:Failed climate related predictions by politicians, media, and scientists - just in time for the end of 2020. I find it interesting that not only did Tuvalu originate claims of doom, they are also building new airports and experiencing profound economic growth from the last 6 years.

https://junkscience.com/2020/12/wrong-a ... ore-103862
In addition to this and according to a newly published study:

"Alarmism Dies In The Maldives 97% Of 186 Island Coasts Have Grown (59%) Or Not Changed (38%) Since 2005".

"Despite sea level rise, a 2019 global analysis (Duvat, 2019) found 89% of 709 island coasts have been either stable or growing in size in recent decades. A new Maldives-only study (Duvat, 2020) finds rapid (>3 to >50%) coastal growth in 110 of 186 Maldives islands from 2005 to 2016. Just 5 islands – 2.7% – actually contracted in size during this period."

Thanks to funding from guilty countries, the Maldives has been able to build 4 new airports. Apparently Climate Change is not creating any large group of migrants from this location.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/12/22/ ... ince-2005/
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Glacier wrote:
Since May, June was tied with 2019. July was 2nd behind 2019. Aug was 3rd behind 2016 and 2019, Sept was the warmest on record, October was 4th.

2020 will likely edge out 2016 for the warmest year on record.
According to UAH6.0:

"2020 ended as the 2nd warmest year in the 42-year satellite tropospheric temperature record at +0.49 deg. C, behind the 2016 value of +0.53 deg. C.

Cooling in December was largest over land, with 1-month drop of 0.60 deg. C, which is the 6th largest drop out of 504 months. This is likely the result of the La Nina now in progress."

This was in part due to the current La Nina giving us a December temperature of 0.27C.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/01/02/ ... -27-deg-c/
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Glacier wrote:
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Pretty picture, but you didn't provide the context. Deaths are lowered not because of some sort of intrinsic change/non-change in climate, but because we are better prepared for disaster today than we were in the past.

"However, the large reduction in climate-related deaths from disasters shows a dramatic increase in climate resilience, likely mostly brought about by higher living standards, a reduction in poverty, improvement in warning systems, and an increase in global trade, making especially droughts less likely to turn into widespread famines.

The same declining trend for climate-related mortality rates is found across individual hazards from flood, flash flood, and coastal flood, over heat and cold deaths to drought and wind damage (Formetta and Feyen 2019). A 10-year moving average from 1980 to 2016 shows a 6.5-fold reduction in the mortality rate (ranging from a twofold reduction in floods to a 16-fold reduction in flash floods).

We often forget how much of the world was devastated by famines in previous centuries. Although famine outside of wartime disappeared from the developed world after the mid-nineteenth century (Ó Gráda 2010, 8), large famines continued in poorer countries, with the late 1870s killing more than 7 million in India and 9.5–13 million in China (Ó Gráda 2010, 21). Even the 1928–30 drought was described by the Committee of the China Famine Relief Fund as “one of the most wide-spread and severe famines in many decades,” spreading inland to the upper reaches of the Yellow River, Inner Mongolia, Gansu, and Shaanxi, where “three successive harvest...failed to materialize,” leaving more than 50 million people in total ‘“severely affected” (Fuller 2015, 157–58). In total, the Famine Trends Dataset estimates 5.5–10 million dead (WPF 2019), with EM-DAT conservatively counting 3 million deaths.

Fig. 17 shows that we are now much less vulnerable to climate impacts than at any time in the last 100 years. It is possible that climate change has made impacts worse over the last century (although the discussion on floods, droughts, wildfire, and hurricanes suggests this is not the case), but resiliency from higher living standards has entirely swamped any potential climate impact."
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The sound kicks in at 0:20.



His Holiness the Dalai Lama will engage in a conversation on The Crisis of Climate Feedback Loops with Greta Thunberg (environmental activist), William Moomaw (lead author on reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change/IPCC, and the co-recipient of the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize) and Susan Natali (a renowned Arctic scientist) from his residence in Dharamsala, HP, India on January 10, 2021. The conversation will be moderated by Diana Chapman Walsh, President emerita of Wellesley College and is organized by the Mind & Life Institute. Viewers are requested to please follow their local social distancing rules while viewing the live webcast.
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2020 was wayyyyyy colder than 2016. Therefore, the ice age cometh!
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BTW, we have warmed 0.5887C in just the past 30 years, which is the largest 30 year increase on record, so I guess I'm a little premature with the ice age prediction...
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^^^ Good to know. In fact, if you look at the last 5 years, the global temperature paused, and started to drop dramatically due to La Nina.
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Septuagenarian wrote: ... the Dalai Lama will engage in a conversation on The Crisis of Climate Feedback Loops with Greta Thunberg (environmental activist), William Moomaw (lead author on reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change/IPCC, and the co-recipient of the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize) and Susan Natali (a renowned Arctic scientist) from his residence in Dharamsala, HP, India on January 10, 2021. The conversation will be moderated by Diana Chapman Walsh, President emerita of Wellesley College and is organized by the Mind & Life Institute ...
I never would had considered Greta, Mr. Lama, Mr. Moomaw etc as a go-to for anything science or climate related.
Saying that, I watched the video on feedback (which by definition gives you a loop) and IMO is cringe worthy.

The video begins by saying the earth is warming caused by burning of fossil fuels (CO2, methane, etc). How much can the world take? It's getting worse! We are already too populated! The video authors want you to believe a catastrophe is looming.

Their point; feedback will amplify warming since more methane and CO2 is released, which adds to the existing theoretical temperature rise. Greta repeats this (not that her opinion is meaningful) by saying irreversible chain reactions will occur, we will pass a tipping point? Humans have already caused an ABRUPT change, etc.

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All the above is assumption. The guests repeated using words like "maybe", "may", "might" ,"could" always giving themselves an exit from their own argument. They even said "we don't understand a lot of it, but we worry about it" all the while displaying a hypnotic spiral, lol. The video is meant to scare people. Don't we already have enough children committing suicide over this lie? Through the video, no science is presented, just opinion.

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A lot of what they said has been debunked a long time ago and the IPCC does NOT preach this. The earth will not reach 800ppm of CO2 by 2100, nor will an 8F degree rise happen in the next 79 years. Environmental CO2 or sea-level rise is not accelerating due to feedback and this has NEVER been observed. This exists only in certain poor models. The amount of methane in the atmosphere is considered insignificant by many scientists. The biggest so called warming gas is water vapour which by far controls earths temperature. There has been no increase in droughts, hurricanes, or anything because of slightly warmer temperatures and that scientific data is easily accessible.

11,000 years ago we came out of an ice age without any significant change in CO2.

Since the last ice age, we've had about 10 periods of balmy temperatures all warmer than today. In fact, 90% of the earths existence has been warmer than today. The warm periods have occurred at a regular period and put our current era in a time when we would expect natural warming. Man has added CO2 to the atmosphere, but how do you know how much warming that contributes? We are experiencing a period of natural warming that can't be distinguished from previous warming periods. CO2 and temperature are increasing, but temperature has gone up and down over the last 10,000 with CO2 doing nothing. CO2 might do little to nothing since it is already saturated according to scientists. 80% of the warming from CO2 comes from the first 20ppm.
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I would say, enjoy the warmth while you have it before another ice age occurs. They occur in regular intervals as you can see, and are far more disastrous than life giving warmth.
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https://www.stand.earth/latest/forest-c ... suisse-ing

"European banks BNP Paribas Group, Credit Suisse, and ING — collectively responsible for financing the trade of $5.5 billion USD in Amazon oil to the U.S. since 2009 — have committed to the immediate exclusion of new Ecuadorian Amazon oil from their trading activities, in emails sent to environmental organizations Stand.earth and Amazon Watch. The banks are expected to roll out binding policies in the coming months, with BNP Paribas already posting its commitment on its website. "
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indianlarry66 wrote:https://www.stand.earth/latest/forest-c ... suisse-ing

"European banks BNP Paribas Group, Credit Suisse, and ING — collectively responsible for financing the trade of $5.5 billion USD in Amazon oil to the U.S. since 2009 — have committed to the immediate exclusion of new Ecuadorian Amazon oil from their trading activities, in emails sent to environmental organizations Stand.earth and Amazon Watch. The banks are expected to roll out binding policies in the coming months, with BNP Paribas already posting its commitment on its website. "

But mining and clearcutting is ok, right?
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Here is the FAR RIGHT Guardian telling us how crazy it is that clear cutting trees isn't very green. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... es-forests
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indianlarry66 wrote:https://www.stand.earth/latest/forest-c ... suisse-ing

"European banks BNP Paribas Group, Credit Suisse, and ING — collectively responsible for financing the trade of $5.5 billion USD in Amazon oil to the U.S. since 2009 — have committed to the immediate exclusion of new Ecuadorian Amazon oil from their trading activities, in emails sent to environmental organizations Stand.earth and Amazon Watch. The banks are expected to roll out binding policies in the coming months, with BNP Paribas already posting its commitment on its website. "
Sweet. More demand for CDN oil.
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Amazon Clicks Buy, Orders Over 1,000 Natural Gas Engines for Its Fleet

Natural Gas (or hydrogen - too expensive now) is the way of the future. Batteries are too heavy and Rare Earth mining is very harmful to the surrounding environment.


https://www.fool.com/investing/2021/02/ ... s-engines/

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